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Member Section => Tactical Rifle & Carbine => Topic started by: twyacht on August 15, 2010, 05:13:52 PM
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Joined the crowd, and am giving a 1943 Moisin-Nagant 91/30 in 7.62x54, a new home. ......MINE 8).
Hand picked, by me, matching numbers, stock is not dinged or marred, actually has some decent color and veining in the furniture.
$99.00 with free bayonet, out the door.
I know J&G, and other dealers have them cheaper, but by the time I pay an FFL transfer fee, I'm right at $100 anyway.
(http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm182/twyacht/Moisin003.jpg)
(http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm182/twyacht/Moisin006.jpg)
(http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm182/twyacht/Moisin002.jpg)
What "pushed" me over the edge is deepwaters fault. Shooting his, let me have a chance to see for myself how they do, and they work and shoot just fine. The rifle is really long, and with bayonet, is as tall as I am. 6'1". :o Winchester makes a 180gr SP that were $19.97 for 20 rds. I guess a hunting round, if one were so inclined... Wolf makes some non-corrosive stuff also.
I still have 240rds. of milsurp ammo, I purchased by mistake last Spring. But hey! Makes a great club, pig sticker, and will shoot ammo dug up out of a Yugoslavian pasture in 1949. ;)
I'll get a range report soon, right now we have T-storms, all around for the next few days, and it has been oppressively HOT!!
Thanks deepwater!!! 8)
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Damned nice javelin you got there, TW...... ;D ;D
Seriously, looks to be a nice solid rifle. Hope it shoots well for you. :D
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So you plant the butt in the ground and let the enemy run into the pike? That the idea?
Cool, I wish I had money for extra toys. Alas, neither funds nor time allow for extras like the Nagant.
Have fun with it.
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Where was it made? I have one that is supposed to have been made in the Tula plant; supposedly it has a little "provenance" associated with it. But I think that was just gun show marketing..... Good buy! 8)
My favorite bolt action up til now is the 1943 Enfield. I really like how quick the action is! :)
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Where was it made? I have one that is supposed to have been made in the Tula plant; supposedly it has a little "provenance" associated with it. But I think that was just gun show marketing..... Good buy! 8)
My favorite bolt action up til now is the 1943 Enfield. I really like how quick the action is! :)
My preliminary research, based on markings, (which had a healthy dose of cosmoline all over it), has the Izhevsk Arsenal stamp, however, there is some question whether the Sestroryetsk Arsenal is possible.
They had the Tula's there for slightly more money. My understanding is there were three primary Arsenals in Russia, when I really clean the damn thing, I hope to at least get a better idea, and post pics of the proof marks.
They made "Millions" of these rifles, and this one is solid, and I am looking forward to trying it out.
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I talked to Operatot about the length issue. He reckoned it would be about $50 to shorten it to 16" and recrowned. If you have a steady hand with a hacksaw and can recrown it yourself? Free. Still you've got $150 in a nice sporter and its not like you're ruining the value of a collector's item or anything.
Fq13
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Congrats on the ney toy. I got both my M38 and 91/30 for about the same price at Big5, but I use the M38 for gathering wild pork chops. I had a M44 but my stupid ass sold it and havent found a replacement yet.
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Congrats on the ney toy. I got both my M38 and 91/30 for about the same price at Big5, but I use the M38 for gathering wild pork chops. I had a M44 but my stupid ass sold it and havent found a replacement yet.
what was her name? ;D
and what's this blaming deepwater for everything.... getting drunk, buying guns.. you guys just want an excuse to enjoy yourselves. I know I don't need an excuse... ;D
deepwater
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Looks nice! Mine are coming Wednesday from Classic Arms. I'll try and post some pics after I get them. Bill T.
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I talked to Operatot about the length issue. He reckoned it would be about $50 to shorten it to 16" and recrowned. If you have a steady hand with a hacksaw and can recrown it yourself? Free. Still you've got $150 in a nice sporter and its not like you're ruining the value of a collector's item or anything.
Fq13
16" is way too short for that round. I would not go under 20.
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16" is way too short for that round. I would not go under 20.
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I'm seeing a lot of overly short tactical rifles. It's the new craze. An 18" .308 gives up way too much performance for not much more handiness. When you go below 20" in barrel length you really start to lose velocity. It really adds up when you start getting out to the longer ranges of 500 yards and beyond. Weatherby supplies their rifles with 26" barrels. They do it because that length of barrel extracts the most performance from all of the new, modern slow burning powders that are avaliable. There is even a new market for these factory, "magnumized", high performance rounds that are becoming more and more avaliable from outfits like Hornady, Nosler, and Federal. To buy this type of high performance ammunition and shoot it through a sub 20" barreled rifle is like driving a Z-06 Corvette with the parking brake on. Bill T.
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I think it all depends on the purpose and need for the rifle when it come to barrel length. A good friend (and long range rifle competitor) has several purpose-built .308 rifles. He had a few spare components and wanted a good hog killing gun for use in a ground blind (it was also a chance just to screw around with spare parts). He took a Remington action and a spare heavy barrel and cut it down to 16 1/2" so it would swing well inside the blind. It turned out to be one of his best shooting rifles. It is a tack-driver out to 300 yards, which is well beyond hog shooting range in the area he is shooting in. There was some velocity loss (I don't have the numbers handy) but not enough to dampen the effectiveness on a hog.
That being said, my personal preference would be in the 22-24" range and no shorter than 20....but that's just my opinion, without the grain of salt.
8)
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I already have a "sporterized" 1891 Argentine Mauser 7.65x54 cut down and re-crowned by my Grandfather, it is fine the way it is. MB and I wish it were original again, as he has one also in the "Secret Bunker", but alas, that is another post.. :-\
This one I'll just leave alone, (makes a walking stick too, with steel buttplate ;)).
I went not really looking for anything to buy, although, Winchester Ranger, 12g Low Recoil, Ranger 00Buck, was cheap...had to get some more,... ;) Never have enough.... Bought 100 rds. 230gr. 45ACP FMJ, from Georgia Arms for $25.00, and actually haggled and won a box of prvi-partisan Mauser 174gr SP's, for $15.00 for 20rds.
But this one Moisin cried out,... "Take Me Home".....So.... ::)
IMHO, no point cutting this one down.
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Well done tw, another great addition no matter who's to blame! ;D
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I like the fact you can buy cheap yet effect surplus fireams and ammo. I started out with Mauser rifles then Enfields a few SKS's and now Mosin Nagants. Its something you can do without jumping through like the CMP makes us do, if U.S. surplus rifles were like this I think we'd all have a few more toys to share.
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I like the fact you can buy cheap yet effect surplus fireams and ammo. I started out with Mauser rifles then Enfields a few SKS's and now Mosin Nagants. Its something you can do without jumping through like the CMP makes us do, if U.S. surplus rifles were like this I think we'd all have a few more toys to share.
Excellent point. I tried to buy 3 Garands from the CMP last year and after 3 months they cancelled my order after I jumped through all of their "hoops". They are far too bureaucratic, and simply too much of a pain in the a$$ to deal with. Never again. I just wonder how long it will be before they manage to screw up C&R purchases? Bill T.
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Excellent point. I tried to buy 3 Garands from the CMP last year and after 3 months they cancelled my order after I jumped through all of their "hoops". They are far too bureaucratic, and simply too much of a pain in the a$$ to deal with. Never again. I just wonder how long it will be before they manage to screw up C&R purchases? Bill T.
Bite your tongue!
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16" is way too short for that round. I would not go under 20.
I have a Mosin that I shortened to 17" and I thought it was the cats meow until I made one at 21". At 200 yards it was dead on.
Also the 21" balances better than my 17" but it may have to do with the stocks I used. One is wood, the 21" is synthetic.
Beyond 200 yards I have my sniper Mosin!
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I have a Mosin that I shortened to 17"
(http://i812.photobucket.com/albums/zz50/billt460/MosinNagantPistol.jpg)
YEAH, BABY ! The "Riverboat Gambler" Mosin! Bill T.
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(http://i812.photobucket.com/albums/zz50/billt460/MosinNagantPistol.jpg)
YEAH, BABY ! The "Riverboat Gambler" Mosin! Bill T.
Finally, a left handed model! ;D
FQ13
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(http://i812.photobucket.com/albums/zz50/billt460/MosinNagantPistol.jpg)
YEAH, BABY ! The "Riverboat Gambler" Mosin! Bill T.
Ok, you win!
If it was legal here I'd love to make one that length.
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Not mine. Somebody posted it over at Gabe Suarez's website. Got to admit, it's pretty creative. Bill T.
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17" ???
I think regarding the picture, the adjustable sights are a moot point, the bayonet, however, would still have merit... :o
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What about the muzzle blast,recoil, and thundering boom? I still want one though.