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Member Section => Down Range Cafe => Topic started by: tombogan03884 on September 10, 2010, 09:51:37 PM
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While I can't find it now, I thought I had posted a while back asking about finishes on gun's.
BM got me thinking about it with his "Bed liner" stock treatment" (How's that holding up by the way ? My google -fu is weak tonight ;D )
I have seen pictures of the Kimber 1911 commemorative, the Case hardened frame looks pretty good.
Don't any of you have any pimped out guns ?
No BBQ guns in Texas ?
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It hurts too bad to scuff up a pimped out gun.
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Closest thing I have to a BBQ gun is a Springfield Armory Loaded 1911 Target model......... :'(
Nut'n fancy, but it's a fine shooter................. :D
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There are many good finishes for firearms, Metalloy, a beautiful hard chrome, that has a blue tint to the silver, and hard as hell, amaloy, not at pretty, but a good finish, NP3, kind on a titanium finish, really rugged, not to ugly. Black hard chrome, hard to beat, and rugged too. Do your research, its out there.
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I like blue, park and matte SS. I've never been a fan of the "case hardening" finishs.
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I read through the "Parts" ads in Shotgun News, when I'm bored I daydream about what i "could" build
M25, I AM doing my research ;D
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There are many good finishes for firearms, Metalloy, a beautiful hard chrome, that has a blue tint to the silver, and hard as hell, amaloy, not at pretty, but a good finish, NP3, kind on a titanium finish, really rugged, not to ugly. Black hard chrome, hard to beat, and rugged too. Do your research, its out there.
Did you mean Armoloy, M25?
I had a Ruger Blackhawk .357 done with Armoloy by these folks back in the 70s. http://www.armoloyftworth.com/Armoloy_WebDevelopment/Web_Pages/Firearms_Applications.htm
It seemed indestructible. Very tough finish. Didn't look very tactical...sorta of a matte gray finish.
Pictures of the finish and more information can be found here http://www.armoloy-tx.com/applications.html
.25 cal and up barrel insides can be done.
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I never liked Armolloy, T/C used to use that before they came out with true "Stainless steel Contender's.
Blued barrels would fit on Armoloy guns, but Armoloy barrels would not fit blued guns do to the thickness of the plating.
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I never liked Armolloy, T/C used to use that before they came out with true "Stainless steel Contender's.
Blued barrels would fit on Armoloy guns, but Armoloy barrels would not fit blued guns do to the thickness of the plating.
Picky, picky, picky.
Wonder if the thickness has been reduced? Seems like that would be a major problem. Though Contenders were very tightly fitted. My 30-30 has the bluing worn off the barrel from rubbing against the frame.
Armoloy might might not be the only finish that would have had that problem with the Contenders.
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Metaloy, http://www.originalmetaloy.com/
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Picky, picky, picky.
Wonder if the thickness has been reduced? Seems like that would be a major problem. Though Contenders were very tightly fitted. My 30-30 has the bluing worn off the barrel from rubbing against the frame.
Armoloy might might not be the only finish that would have had that problem with the Contenders.
T/C switched to Stainless some time in the 90's, so it isn't a problem unless you have some real old barrels.
But I would agree that coating technology has come a long way in 20 years, but plating can still add up to .005 inches to a part.
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I've had the rifle out in the field several times since coating it. Spent two lengthy, hot days and one night in SC woods carrying that heavy monster (wanna say that hulk comes in around 16lbs without checking). The first time around I had sprayed just the laminated stock on the gun. Had it out shooting a few times without a problem. Then after coming home BEAT one night I leaned the rifle against the closet door and went to shower and clean up. About half hour later I heard a loud clang, bang, thump! Found my wife had knocked the gun over and it landed on the sharp top edge of an open ammo can! >:(
Since I had to do some "spot repairs" anyway, I got adventurous and did the entire gun!
Give me a chance and I'll get her out for a pic or two. ;)
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T/C switched to Stainless some time in the 90's, so it isn't a problem unless you have some real old barrels.
But I would agree that coating technology has come a long way in 20 years, but plating can still add up to .005 inches to a part.
The Armoloy folks claim a .0002 addition. It also penetrates the metal.
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Armoloy is OK, but Metaloy is superior, good folks, ask MB, I am sure he has dealt with them and knows them.
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The Armoloy folks claim a .0002 addition. It also penetrates the metal.
A friend of mine was dealing with exactly that just the other night.
It depends on the level of protection you need, how thick the coating can go, it is usually about equal to the penetration.
Armoloy is OK, but Metaloy is superior, good folks, ask MB, I am sure he has dealt with them and knows them.
A lot of times it's a matter of the type of wear resistance you're looking for, or even color.
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Armoloy is OK, but Metaloy is superior, good folks, ask MB, I am sure he has dealt with them and knows them.
Do you have a link for Metaloy that describes the coating and process?
I have found one that offers some pictures, but no descriptions of what their processes entail.
Here is the link I found http://www.originalmetaloy.com/
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The Armoloy folks claim a .0002 addition. It also penetrates the metal.
It doesn't matter if it is .0002 or .0005 if it is consistent, repeatable, and PLANNED FOR.
What got TC and most other guys in trouble is they fit the parts for bluing, then add a thick coating.
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Finally got back from the campin trip last weekend and got stuff put away. Here's the M77 with spray on $7 Rustoleum truck bed liner in all her glory. ;)
The light spots you see on it are actually skin the "anti-slip" texture takes off your hands everytime you touch it. Dirt, mud, and the hand prints wipe right off a wet rag. My wifes working on making me a sling out of 550 paracord that'll look exactly like the braclet in the pic. (Double cobra stitch), but have OD green weaved in with the black. Should be done tommarow and look pretty cool. :)
You can see from the pic. of the top of the barrel how thin this stuff goes on. You can still see the warning lettering. And it's had no effect on the bedding, free floated barrel, or accuracy at all. DOES stay hot a little longer between rounds. And actually did change the noise of the gun firing. Not much, but I noticed it.
I'd say it's as tough as any factory coating I've seen except Remingtons camo dip. Other companies camo coatings are certainly no more durable from my experience. And if this thing ever "slips out of your hand"... You got problems far worse than "butter fingers".
The only place I've actually had the coating fail was on the bolt knob. It got scratched bad. I did a quick respray on it a while back and it blended perfectly with no effort at all.
All in all. Yeah, I'd recommend it! Give it a LOOOOONG time to set up though! It'll look and feel dry in no time. But to really set up hard, and be durable, give it a week.
(http://i703.photobucket.com/albums/ww40/BigCheeseStick/P1010844.jpg)
(http://i703.photobucket.com/albums/ww40/BigCheeseStick/P1010849.jpg)
(http://i703.photobucket.com/albums/ww40/BigCheeseStick/P1010848.jpg)
(http://i703.photobucket.com/albums/ww40/BigCheeseStick/P1010850.jpg)
(http://i703.photobucket.com/albums/ww40/BigCheeseStick/P1010845.jpg)
Oh yeah, that is about one complete can on this rifle after I did the touch ups. So the coating may have added a couple onces to the 12.0 pounds it weighs (used a digital scale). Guess it feels heavier than it is. ;)
If you want ultimate durability, I'd say find out what Remington is coating their camo 870's with! Probably dull a chisel on that stuff before scuffing it. The other / similar coatings on the market fall pretty far short of theirs IMO.
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Looks good.
And your wife must be a Saint. ;D
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She did good! Mikey likes it! :)
(http://i703.photobucket.com/albums/ww40/BigCheeseStick/P1010852.jpg)
Each side has a different pattern.
(http://i703.photobucket.com/albums/ww40/BigCheeseStick/P1010851.jpg)
Over 50 ft of paracord in there!
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Multi function sling ;D
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I've never been a fan of case hardening, but That Kimber Commemorative 1911 is absolutely beautiful. The closest thing I have to a BBQ gun is my Remington 760 Bicentennial commemorative. It has the below Image on the left side of the reciever.
(http://picturearchive.auctionarms.com/2168000403/7789474/6658065e7cbc07d508f1e4d30b7fa7b0.jpg)
Other than that, my 1911 is the only gussied up gun I have.
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h17/Walter-45-Auto/PIC_0016.jpg)