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Member Section => Down Range Cafe => Topic started by: DonWorsham on February 03, 2007, 02:44:07 PM
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What I'd like to see on Down Range...
...self defense for women - how to carry, how to train, how to get a mindset
...history of firearms by manufacturer
...from target to defense to hunting (one gun three purposes)
...proper gun maintenance - rifle, pistol, revolver what products work which ones don't
...a behind the scene look at Shooting Gallery and Cowboys from concept to showtime
...interviews,interviews, interviews
...ballistics - charts, charts and more charts (ie, is the .357 that much more than .38?)
...shoot things (aka the box of truth)
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You know, Don, I once went out to a range next to a junkyard in Florida and spent a day shooting windshields and car doors...it was one of the more instructive shooting sessions I've ever gone through! I still carry a magazine full of the 9mm ammo that did the best job of punching windshields and doors as my second mag for the P225 (if you must know, and I suspect you already do, it was Israeli black-tip carbine ammo...the stuff is the 9-mil equivalent of a carbide drill bit...I bought a case of it beofere they stopped importing it...but I absolutely positively know it'll punch a windshield at virtually any angle).
Definitely worth doing again, because shooting a windshield wasn't as simple as I thought it would be.
Good ideals one and all, except for the one about maintenance...you mean you have to clean them? I thought you just shot them until they stopped working and then asked the company to send you another one...
Also, any behind-the-scenes at SG, COWBOYS or the SHOW THAT COMES AFTER SG & COWBOYS involves far too many adult beverages to be revealed to the public...instead, I refere you to Sun Tzu's comments on the Sage General and chaos...
Michael B
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...instead, I refere you to Sun Tzu's comments on the Sage General and chaos...
Michael B
Chaos and order are two aspects of the same thing. Together they constitute the totality of our experience, the good and bad, the confusion and clarity-how it is all interconnected and constantly shifting. From the smaller perspective we experience these as opposed. But in order to take whole, the sage commander must work with this totality. He resides in the fundamental orderliness of the chaos, and thus for him:
The fight is chaotic yet one is not subject to chaos.
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To answer Michael's question:
- CCW stuff: auto/wheelgun pros and cons, holsters, gotchas in the laws, what the well-dressed CCW should have (backup ammo, knives, etc.)
- Reloading basics, tips and tricks, variations, etc.
- self/home defense topics, comparisons of specific weapons and rounds
- full shoot and teardown reviews of guns before you send them to me, er, I win them
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Didja ever think that if you carried all the stuff the magazines told you that "every" CCW owner "must" carry, you'd need a burro?
I'm thinking of having Walt Rauch out to talk about his civilian "number so fshots fired in an encounter" research...
Michael B
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Exactly why I asked - what's real, what's unrealistic.
BTW, see the answer to the question in your signature in mine????
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Also how about some simple gunsmith idieas we can do at home.
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I personally would like to see a how to for the basics. How about properly installing scope & rings and getting it boresighted and zeroed.
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I would like to also see some more knife stuff. The Michael Janich episode of SG was great but left us hungry for more. I second the idea of Walt Rauch's opinion of CCW options. Also a discussion of carry holsters would be nice. Anything to do with Hamilton Bowen would be good as well. Michael you are to be commended for starting a site like this. It will be worth the technical difficulties. Besides, if technology worked as advertised I would not have a job!
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I agree great new site,I am one of the dinosaurs that still carry a wheel gun for self defense and I would like some more segments on the wheel gun Doug
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I am one of the dinosaurs that still carry a wheel gun for self defense
Doug, I wouldn't call you a dinosaur, I'd call you smart. Especially if you pocket carry. I look forward to Michael's upcoming piece on pocket carry.
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One other thought along with the pocket carry. How about carry issues and options for guys what ain't skinny? Especially those who wear jeans that are, shall we say, baggy? I can imagine there's not much worse than a pocket carry where you telegraph the fact you've got a S&W in your pocket.
Or are you just happy to see us . . . .?
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Just like everyone else...GREAT SITE! Even better that big brother here at work hasn't filtered it. I'll add another guy that would love to see some CCW stuff. Would love to read about or see video about real encounters and what works/doesn't work. As a pocket knife guy I'd like to see some stuff about good tactical pocket knifes.
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I'll second the idea that a show on revolver carry would be nice. That's all I carry. I'd also like to see a show on the new Smith "retro" revolvers. Maybe a USPSA sectional or nationals show, focusing on the revo division.
Also, I'm about to be deployed to Iraq, and wouldn't mind seeing a show about Infantry types over there, and weapon maintenance.
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One other thought along with the pocket carry. How about carry issues and options for guys what ain't skinny? Especially those who wear jeans that are, shall we say, baggy? I can imagine there's not much worse than a pocket carry where you telegraph the fact you've got a S&W in your pocket.
Pathfinder, I'm not skinny (5'8 or so and 250lbs), I wear these... http://www.sportsmansguide.com/cb/cb.asp?a=231345
The front pocket is deep enough to cover the gun and allows me to have a firing grip on the gun...easy to pull from the pocket and engage. The other pockets allow me to put my keys on one side and my cell phone on the other.
I carry this way all day long, even where I'm not allowed, and no one notices. Take a look at other men at work, most of them have something in their front pockets.
I carry a Taurus 605 spurless hammer and/or a S&W 642 (when it is not back at the factory as it is now).
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Let me agree with Sash about the S&W retro revolvers, I am lusting after the 44 Special Doug
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As much as I hate to agree with Worsham on anything, I ain't skinny either and pocket carry works for me. I think it goes back to a comment from Walt Rauch — who I am bringing down to Colorado to film some stuff for DOWN RANGE — the rounded lines of a small revolver don't print nearly as bad int he pocket as a small semi-auto. I pretty routinely pocket carry a Colt Mustang .380, and it'll print like crazy in the right pants (standard jeans_. The broken lines of a small revolver don't necessarily shot "gun int he pocket!"
However, I've done a little experimenting on the whole subject of printing and gun-recognition, and I don't think it's as serious an issue as gunnies think. Unless you've got the pistol grip sticking out of your pocket, most peole's eyes will roll right over an object in your pocket for a couple of reasons — (most)people don't like to stare at other people's groin area and, mentally, there are satisfactory alternate explanations for lumpy pockets.
There have been time when I thought a gun was printing too badly, so I stuffed a Kleenex in the top of the pocket. I always liked Jerry Ahern's pocklet holsters (he no longer has time to make holsters, since he's running Detonics now) because they had a pocket on the outside of the holster for an expired credit card or one of the many leftover hotel keys one might have, which helped break up the outline.
I keep a Taurus Ultra-Lite Titanium .38 snubbie as the Door Gun — this goes back to CCW "tactics." My carry SIG is usually upstairs when it's not on my belt. By keeping a snubbie next to the door, I have a gun to slip in a pocket for quickie informal trips. In addition to the gun, there's a couple of loaded speedloaders, a DeSantis "Nemesis" pocket holster (good and, even better, cheap), a bright yellow fanny pack and a SureFire light. In other words, I make it as easy as possible for myself or my Sweetie to always carry a gun, whether we're running to a convenience store or going out for a hike or jog.
That's the kind of stuff I'll be covering on DOWN RANGE...more tactics than strategy. First tiem CCW holders tend to make it harder on themselves than they need to...Worsham will back me up on that! You start out with all this stuff you've got to carry, and, too many times, it's not worth the effort ot "suit up." The best plan is to integrate the gun into your lifestyle in a way that minimizes hassles, and often that means more than one gun...
BUT THAT"S ANOTHER EPISODE!
Michael B
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Sounds good, Michael. Tactics is what I think we all need to evaluate, one of the lessons from SG at Gunsite as I recall. Use it or lose it, so keep practicsing. Running topics like this on DRT will help us all evaluate alternatives, especially as you noted for us CCW newbies.
As I work in the business world, sitting at a desk, something other than carpenter jeans would also be useful! :D
I liked the idea of a door gun, etc. Stuff like that is great, lessons learned as it were so the rest of us don't need to go through the sometimes painful learning process.
There's a joke in there someplace about stuffing your pants (pocket) with kleenex, but I'll let someone else do it.
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As a newbie CCW'er, the main reason I'm so excited about this site is the wealth of information I KNOW we're gonna get from ya Michael. Can't wait!
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An interview with Chris Muir (and maybe his characters from Day by Day)
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Chris Muir is really cool...I've talked to him at length and finally got to meet him at SHOT...
Wait until you see the SIGARMS Calendar!!!!!
I'll have them available here as soon as SIG'll let me!
Michael B
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Great idea re' Muir.
Sign me up for one of the calendars. As soon as I saw the DBD strip where Sam is a centerfold, I was wondering if this was real or a fantasy. Maybe both?
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Hey Michael!
Congrats on the new website, and I think you picked a nice name for it too, even though it wasn't the one I submitted! ;)
What ever happened to the detailed M&P compact review that you hinted at in your blog? As I recall, you wrote that you were so impressed with it that you said you were going to give it the attention it deserved in a full write-up on the ShootingGalleryTV site. At least I didn't forget about it! I'd love to see that as a video review.
Good luck with DRTV!
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Am going up to S&W late the month to shoot the M&P Compact, the .45 M&P and a couple of the Classic revolver series.
I'd planned to do it earlier, but reality unfortunately intruded on a great plan!
Michael B
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Really ? The weekend of 2/24-25 ? IDPA Winter Championships going on as well. I'm shooting on Saturday. (Apologies for thread drift...)
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Hmmmmm, I says...
mb
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I can hear the gears grinding from here......Gonna take the camera crew with you?
Here's the link...
http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/CustomContentDisplay?langId=-1&storeId=10001&catalogId=10001&content=37817§ionId=37815
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Ted;
I just left a message for the Powers-That-Be at S&W, and hopefully we can work that out. It would be convenient (assuming the northeast doesn't dissolve in some hellisn DAY AFTER TOMORROW snowstorm!
Thanks for the heads-up!
Michael B
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No, no.....
The Rocky Mountains have been catching all the snow for us :D
The last time snow interfered was 2003, I believe. Of course, if our resident Rocky Mtn snow magnet heads East, all bets are off.
Hope to see you there.
Ted
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It sounds like you're already planning to do a bunch of stuff I'd like to see. The M&P in .45 is at the top of my buy list; it'll be good to see you wring it out. I like to see the blue-collar self defense stuff geared to us LSHD guys, stuff that doesn't involve exploding barrels or rappelling... Rauch and Janich are always worth watching. You might try to get your hands on Magpul's Masada. I've always wondered how much better a trained shooter would do on a course using a whiz-bang rifle as opposed to, say, a box stock mini-14. How much better would he run a course with a laser equipped pistol than one with irons. And yes, I want a calendar... with Sam... Are we going to be able to get SG on DVD? I want the Cooper segments.
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What I'd like to see on Down Range...
...self defense for women - how to carry, how to train, how to get a mindset
...history of firearms by manufacturer
...from target to defense to hunting (one gun three purposes)
...proper gun maintenance - rifle, pistol, revolver what products work which ones don't
...a behind the scene look at Shooting Gallery and Cowboys from concept to showtime
...interviews,interviews, interviews
...ballistics - charts, charts and more charts (ie, is the .357 that much more than .38?)
...shoot things (aka the box of truth)
At Combat Carry this has come up a couple of times, we determined that as a garbage hits the fan gun the .30-30 would suffice pretty well. It is also the Number one deer rifle.
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What I would like to see is some suggestions on securing firearms in vehicles.
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Hey Brother Walt!
Was thinking of you the other night when the local hippie microbrewery debutted their "Smoked Oak Bourbon Stout!" I lift a class in your honor. It's REAL good...
I've also been pondering this whole Mini-14 vs. the Sooper-DeLuxe Rifles, too...I sort of think the Mini is in many ways being bum-rapped like the .30 M1 Carbine in the 1950s. After WW2, the gunwriters of the day had VERY VERY cozy relationships with American gun manufacturers, but they had to hammer something...so the M1 Carbine became an object of scorn, and hte .30 Carbine cartridge only slightly less efficient than a .22 Short. A couple of years ago I started looking into the .30 Carbine, because I'd come across a really nice Blackhawk in that caliber and had Hamilton Bowen finish it into a great pistol. I kept looking at the cartridge, which pretty much mimiced the .357 Magnum, and wondered why the ..357 was considered the HAMMER OF ODIN while the .30 sucked. Answer, the .30 in JHP worked exactly like the .357. I got a lot of "field reports" from people who's used the Carbine in battle up until Vietnam, plus cops from several decades, including our friend Jim Cirillo, who found a cut-down Carbine and a 30-round clip to be just the ticket.
Now I keep reading how the Mini sucks, except that hasn't been my experience. I have one of the old 181 series I used in 3-gun competition in the Back When. Most of the rifle shots on our Florida ranges were 75-150 yards, with a few gongs at ranges out to 300. I never had any problem with the Mini, which was butt-ugly with a Choate pistol grip stock, the wooden forend and one of those original small-tube Aimpoints on a Mickey Mouse mount. You coudn't MAKE the thing jam...I may have cleaned it once, but I don't remember. I didn't touch it for years, giving in to the AR siren song, but I hauled it out a few years ago, stuck a 3rd rate red dot on it and, true to form, it shot just fine. When I talk to people who have Minis they actually shoot a lot, they love them. It's not a target rifle, but a HECK of a lot of the AR clones out there aren't either. I'm thinking of sending the Mini to Accuracy Systems for minimal work — mostly trigger — then take it to a carbine class and see what transpires...other than me getting laughed at by the AR-nistas!
I would like to get my hands on a Masada that wasn't a toolroom prototype...that's why I'm such a fan of the SIGARMS 556...it's made by a big company that has made great guns for a long time and you can buy one NOW!
Bunch of tother stuff in the works...I've made my Sweetie put her thinking cap on for self-defense for women...what is it that we guys get wrong.
I also like Worsham's one-gun...target, defense, competition, hunting...but you're gonna be shocked when I show you my Winchester '94 Trapper in .44 Magnum!
Regarding the SG tapes, let's say that The Outdoor Channel and I are still...unsettled. More about that when we settle down...
Michael B
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How about ballistic tests of self-defense ammo, including the use of gelatin blocks to show dispersion of ball, JHP and frangible ammo in SD loads at typical SD distances? Maybe even some real-world expertise from those who know, those who've been there, on what to expect in different scenarios. Especially debunking (or bunking) myths.
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Michael,
I think you should do a "humor" forum too...
Here's a good one I found today:
http://www.newyorker.com/shouts/content/articles/070129sh_shouts_martin
SEVENTY-TWO VIRGINS
by STEVE MARTIN
Issue of 2007-01-29
Posted 2007-01-22
Virgin No. 1: Yuck.
Virgin No. 2: Ick.
Virgin No. 3: Ew.
Virgin No. 4: Ow.
Virgin No. 5: Do you like cats? I have fourteen!
Virgin No. 6: I’m Becky. I’ll be legal in two years.
Virgin No. 7: Here, I’ll just pull down your zipper. Oh, sorry!
Virgin No. 8: Can we cuddle first?
Virgin No. 9: It was a garlic-and-onion pizza. Why?
Virgin No. 10: . . . so I see Heath, and he goes, “Like, what are you doing here?,” and I go, “I’m hangin’ out,” so he goes, “Like, what?” . . .
Virgin No. 11: First you’re going to have to show me an up-to-date health certificate.
Virgin No. 12: Hurry! My parents are due home!
Virgin No. 13: Do you want the regular or the special?
Virgin No. 14: I’m eighty-four. So what?
Virgin No. 15: Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes!
Virgin No. 16: Even I know that’s tiny.
Virgin No. 17: “Do it”? Meaning what?
Virgin No. 18: I’m saving myself for Jesus.
Virgin No. 19: Somewhere on my body I have hidden a buffalo nickel.
Virgin No. 20: Don’t touch my hair!
Virgin No. 21: I hope you’re not going to sleep with me and then go sleep with seventy-one others.
Virgin No. 22: Do you mind if we listen to Mannheim Steamroller?
Virgin No. 23: Are you O.K. with the dog on the bed?
Virgin No. 24: Would you mind saying, “Could I see you in my office, Miss Witherspoon?”?
Virgin No. 25: Ride me! Ride me, Lucky Buck!
Virgin No. 26: You like your vanilla hot?
Virgin No. 27: Does Ookums like Snookums?
Virgin No. 28: It’s so romantic here, dead.
Virgin No. 29: Well, I’m a virgin, but my hand isn’t.
Virgin No. 30: You are in?
Virgin No. 31: Hi, cowboy. I just rode down from Brokeback Mountain.
Virgin No. 32: I’m a virgin because I’m so ugly.
Virgin No. 33: You like-ee?
Virgin No. 34: I’ll betcha you can’t get an erection. Go on, impress me. C’mon, show me. Show me, big shot.
Virgin No. 35: By the way, here in Heaven “virgin” has a slightly different meaning. It means “chatty.”
Virgin No. 36: Sure, I like you, but as a friend.
Virgin No. 37: No kissing. I save that for my boyfriend.
Virgin No. 38: I’m Zania, from the planet Xeron. My vagina is on my foot.
Virgin No. 39: It’s a lesion, and, no, I don’t know what kind.
Virgin No. 40: I’m Jewish. Why do you ask?
Virgin No. 41: Hi, I’m Becky. Oh, whoops—you again.
Virgin No. 42: I just love camping! Camping is so great! Can we go camping sometime?
Virgin No. 43: In the spirit of full disclosure, I’m a single mom.
Virgin No. 44: You like my breasts? They were my graduation gift.
Virgin No. 45: When you’re done, you should really check out how cool this ceiling is.
Virgin No. 46: I’m almost there. Just another couple of hours.
Virgin No. 47: Get your own beer, you nitwit.
Virgin No. 48: No, you’ve got it wrong. We’re in the Paradise Casino.
Virgin No. 49: I really enjoyed that. Thank you very much. Gee, it’s late.
Virgin No. 50: You make me feel like a real woman. And after this is over I’m going to find one.
Virgin No. 51: What do you mean, “move a little”?
Virgin No. 52: Not now, I’m on my BlackBerry.
Virgin No. 53: I love it when you put on your pants and leave.
Virgin No. 54: We’ve been together twenty-four hours now, and, you know, sometimes it’s O.K. to say something mildly humorous.
Virgin No. 55: That was terrible. I should have listened to the other virgins.
Virgin No. 56: I think I found it. Is that it? Oh. Is this it? Oh, this must be it. No?
Virgin No. 57: It must be hot in here, because I know it’s not me.
Virgin No. 58: Those are my testicles.
Virgin No. 59: Did you know that “virgin” is an anagram of Irving?
Virgin No. 60: First “Spamalot,” then sex.
Virgin No. 61: Great! I was hoping for circumcised.
Virgin No. 62: Was that it?
Virgin No. 63: Dang. George Clooney was being reckless on a motorcycle, but instead I got you.
Virgin No. 64: Tonight, I become a woman. But until then you can call me Bob.
Virgin No. 65: They’re called “adult diapers.” Why?
Virgin No. 66: We could do it here for free, or on a stage in Düsseldorf for money.
Virgin No. 67: I’m just Virgin No. 67 to you, right?
Virgin No. 68: Pee-yoo. Are you wearing Aramis?
Virgin No. 69: Condom, please.
Virgin No. 70: My name is Mother Teresa.
Virgin No. 71: I’m not very good at this, but let’s start with the Reverse Lotus Blossom.
Virgin No. 72: It was paradise, until you showed up.
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Definitely more of The Prickly Man! Maybe a short segment on a regular basis.
And what's Jim Cirillo up to these days?
Oh, and how about getting John Taffin in front of a camera?
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Taffin told me absolutely positively NEVER NEVER NEVER, but maybe he'll change his mind.
I like the idea of regular Walt (I don't know if WALT likes it or not!); Jim C. is on-board...
mb
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I would like to see a show on ideas for informal shooting or suggestions for plans on making your own range as well as plinking and practice targets. Maybe details on building your own targets or shooting areas with
designs on fun AND safety.
Firearms history and the evolution of guns in the last few years along with the modern masters of the gunsmithing trade are always entertaining and informative.
Long Range shooting that the average guy can get into without the big $$$$s.
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... suggestions for plans on making your own range ... details on building your own targets or shooting areas ...
I second this one.
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Worsham...just don't point your BB guns at people's eyes!
I have a call into Hamilton Bowen, and Bill Laughridge at Cylinder & Slide is already on board...we've just got to start filming his stuff....as is John Paul at JP Enterprises. I'm also planning to talk to my old friend Jimmy Clark at the NRA Show.
THANKS, all...I'll see if I can find a target/range guy...
Michael B
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Worsham...just don't point your BB guns at people's eyes!
Don't worry Michael, I won't bug you again about that target stand...until at least...Spring!
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I'd like to see some coverage of a John C Garand match or maybe a Vintage Military Match showing the participants doing the drill and showcasing some of the rifles used in club military matches or even Camp Perry. High lighting the fun and the varieties of the various rifles that served the military of foriegn countries as well as the U.S.
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I'm definitely up for a Garand match...I want to get one of the old warhorses from CMP before they all run out! Maybe I'll video the whole CMP process...
Michael B
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Sure is a lot of excitement about the Carbines coming to the CMP. It is great that the "old warhorses" are being saved from demilling and are available to be put a little history in the hands of many.
The exposure has been very good for the shooting sports.
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I'll definitely stand in line to get one of the CMP Carbines...great little guns! Probably do a whole DOWN RANGE epsode on them!
Michael B
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I've got a Saginaw carbine, ca. 1943 with post-war mods (sight and safety). I may just have to get another.
I like what someone once told me that the original sights on the carbine had a flip-L sight, with one aperature labeled for 100 yards, and the other rather optimistically for 300 yards.
A very cool gun to shoot.
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Michael, I know what you mean about some of the stuff that people tell you you need to carry. I recently saw someone on another tv show who by the way is very well known and he even recommended we carry 2 cell phones, 2 knives and 2 guns. Are you kidding me? I think the most important thing about carrying CCW is to stay "undercover" in other words, don't give out any clues that you are carrying. That is your element of surprise. Of course the most important thing you can do is remain aware of your surroundings and not let yourself get in trouble to begin with, but if THAT time were to come think of the surprise the bad guy gets when you pull your favorite carry piece? :o Gotcha!!! Years ago I was involved in a gun related incident. Long story short, the guy gets out of the car and starts blasting away. You know what happened next? Everybody ran and tried to get as far away from him as possible. No one hung around to see if he was shooting a .22 or a .45. The truth is carrying a small caliber can leave you "under powered" but are you really going to carry a 1911 in your shorts (I live in Miami)?
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I agree with the poster who requested a few shows with the "prickly man". I really enjoyed the one you ran.
And... I'm with you the Tauras titanium revolver...bought one to replace my wife's .32 Tomcat...in anondized blue and gold of course...and the $@#%@ little thing outshoots both of my Kimbers. Drives me batty that the dang little thang patterns so well.
I never thought of leaving one by the door with the shotgun....hmmm sounds like a good excuse for a trip to my armorer.
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I'll definitely stand in line to get one of the CMP Carbines...great little guns! Probably do a whole DOWN RANGE epsode on them!
Michael B
MB, pink is not your color.
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How about a "mythbuster" episode? Debunking some of the most egregious firearm \ ammo misconceptions might be fun. Hopefully, there's enough stuff to discuss so you wouldn't have to get into stopping power and perfection... Possibly some other current and former gun writer guys might want to contribute.
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Michael - if it isn't scheduled to be presented as part of the pocket pistol show, I would like to see a segment on big bore snubb nose revolvers.
An alternative might be show on large bore pistols with a segment on short-barrelled carry pieces.
Thanx for the show, the web site, and the future -
Richard
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You're just jealous of my 1917 S&W snubbie!
I LOVE big bore snubbies...rest assured I'll add that to the schedule!
Michael B
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I would like to see how to shoot from a wheelchair. (Ok I use a wheelchair) I shoot with 1 hand and I am getting more and more accurate with more practice. But I think there is a lot people can learn from people like me that shoot with one hand. It is taking a lot of practice but I am as accurate as any two handed shooter out there. Also there is not many options reguarding concealed carry for me. I can carry in a fanny pack (dorky looking and it's not wife approved! ) and my backpack. (out of reach in an emergency.)
But armed is still better than not armed. I live in Texas and our version of gun control is to hit what your aiming at! I love to shoot and currently shoot a 9mm XD and a .22 harrington and richardson wheel gun.
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I would like to see how to shoot from a wheelchair. (Ok I use a wheelchair) I shoot with 1 hand and I am getting more and more accurate with more practice. But I think there is a lot people can learn from people like me that shoot with one hand. It is taking a lot of practice but I am as accurate as any two handed shooter out there. Also there is not many options reguarding concealed carry for me. I can carry in a fanny pack (dorky looking and it's not wife approved! ) and my backpack. (out of reach in an emergency.)
But armed is still better than not armed. I live in Texas and our version of gun control is to hit what your aiming at! I love to shoot and currently shoot a 9mm XD and a .22 harrington and richardson wheel gun.
Wheels..I hobble about on a cane after a serious back injury, and I can understand your issues.
The best option for me is my Galco shoulder holster under a hoodie or vest.It works pretty well for me..
As for your situation, maybe a shoulder holster might be the way to go. I might add that one of the fastest unconventional draws Ive ever seen was from a guy at a Ken Hackathorn class about ten years ago.
There was a young man in a wheelchair, who was adept at drawing a combat commander from a blue pouch that was suspended on the back of his chair. He was faster than some people who were standing on two feet...
And as for the H&R 22 revolver..those are some old classics. I had a 939 that I bought for $15 at a flea market in Brandenton Fla in 1978. I shot the heck out of it for a long time and let a friend have it a couple of years ago who promptly allowed it to be stolen. :P Wish I had it back.
You hold onto that H&R, its a heck of a revolver. ;)
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Hi, Michael how about a show (and I know this will probably cause none readers to faint) with a literary bent. Many of us like to read and shoot, so how about a show on books of the gun culture. Most of us (I hope) have read "Unintended Consequences," any other suggestions. Perhaps you could gather a few from your library and present them on Down Range. Maybe, a quick look a some old gun writers and their lives.
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I was thinking, how about an episode on low light? Flashlights, night sights, lasers and the such. The only thing is it would probably be a challenge to shoot with a video camera.
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We've doen low-light on SG a couple of years ago...I was talking with Bill Murphy, who designed the SureFire low light training, at SHOT, and said I wanted to go through it again. He said cool, so I'll get it in the works!
Michael B
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a "how to" segment on simple gunsmithing and hard to find items such as a S&W 1926 .44 SPEC :o ;D
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Lotta great ideas out there. I'm looking forward to the promised optics/electronic sights for the AR platform. I'm currently in the build process for my first AR15 and don't know what I want to do past the BUIS. Iguess that now that I have a evil black rifle I will turn into a terrorist by just touching it. I guess the Garand just doesn't have the psychic power of the AR. It must be the polymers that does it. Old walnut and birch just don't get there.
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I would like to see a show on three gun competitions, more to the point the technical side of it with specs on the guns. What you should use and why type stuff. I have seen shows that air some competions which is great, but I am thinking about getting into this stuff and want to know about the different gear.
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I am new to the forum and kudos to Michael for all you do. The website, blog, forum, and T.V. programs are terrific. I would like to see some coverage on Legal Issues: 1) What is legal and practical to carry and how much is too much? e.g. Carrying a knife, gun, another gun, etc.,etc.. Is this just opening a door for an aggressive prosecutor, that " we were just looking for a fight"? 2) Legal aspects of carrying a knife: e.g. a Colorado CCW is NOT a permit to carry a knife. Amazing!! 3) What happens if: you are attacked and you shoot, the perp goes down and out, the blue shirts arrive - now what? 4) Are tricked-out handguns &/or long guns ripe fodor for an aggressive prosecutor? " You were just waiting to kill someone with this killing machine you put together!". 5) What exactly is the "Make My Day Law? 6) What type of ammo is o.k. to carry that won't trigger that prosecutor again? Same as the police carry, handloads, etc.? Just some thoughts. With the current legal system as it is today and our litigious society I feel we would all be better "armed" with at least the basics of how the laws affect us when we carry &/or defend our homes.
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Doc;
Keep in mind that every question you ask has a different answer in every different locality. One of the things I have done every time I've moved is to have a lawyer explain to me the self-defense laws in the new location, including the specific case law and precedents. The Colorado "Make My Day" law is a good law, but I strongly suggest you have an attorney step you through it, as I did when I moved to Boulder.
In general, I prefer minimal modifications to a self-defense gun. For example, my carry SIG 225 has an action job from SIGARMS and that's it. The trigger pull has been smoothed out, but not substantially lightened.
Keep listening to the podcast every Monday..I try to cover a different CCW topic each week.
On another topic, I remain a big fan of the Aimpoint for the AR when 1X works, the Leupold CQ/T when I need 3X. By the end of the month we'll have the AR optics videos done!
THANK YOU ALL for joining!
Michael B
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I look forward to the video on AR optics. I seems like every month there is more and more to choose from and it would be nice to know what things to look for in an optical sight. I admit I'm more of an iron sight traditionalist but I keep thinking I'm going to have to break down and get a flat top upper for my AR.
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I'd like to see something on Home Defense rifles and carbines. Still waiting on the Concealed Carry on the belt, too.
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I would love to see some real test to see the failing point of firearms. Not the K-rap on Rifleman I do not care how far i could drag or how many shot rounds a gun can take. Lets see some real tests. How aboutl MB seeing how long a 1911 of his chosing willl run before stoppage or if DRTV has the $ to try the same test on a SIG 220 to get an honest failure. I have tried and i dont make enough coin for factory ammo failure but i have hit the failure point at 350+ junk lead reloads. I looked like a renactment shooter with those loads....3' of smoke coming out of gun. Also some AR vs. AK tests would be kool. But I dont know maybe I just am not thinking inside the box man. Maybe half freezing a gun and calling it a test is good?
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One other thought along with the pocket carry. How about carry issues and options for guys what ain't skinny? Especially those who wear jeans that are, shall we say, baggy? I can imagine there's not much worse than a pocket carry where you telegraph the fact you've got a S&W in your pocket.
Or are you just happy to see us . . . .?
Hi there; I'm totally new to this site and form of communication, so bear with me. My Airweight Bodyguard hasn't been noticed in 12 years of right front pocket carry, loose for most, in DeSantis Nemesis for past 3 years. The only people who've noticed are those that know I carry it to protect them...my wife and kids. That and a couple of Bianchi Speed Strips don't drag my britches down, from loose shorts to suitclothes. I just DON'T wear elastic waistbands...1-1/8" or better of stiff leather keeps my britches up. I'm 5'11'' and 222 lbs., 50 years old, and don't care much about fashion.
I'd like to see more CCW and knife stuff, especially for those in areas where CCW is frowned upon; also, improvised weapons such as inkpens, broken brooms, whatever is at hand.
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From: Bill D
Date: 4/13/2008 11:37:28 AM
Subject: Holsters
Occasionally you ask for suggestions for topics to cover. I would like to see a series on actually carrying concealed in public and the pros and cons of various holsters.
Many folks do not wear jackets in the summer and the vests I have seen, don't seem to be the type most folks would normally wear in public. Untucked or bloused shits are more acceptable, but hiding the bulge is still difficult.
In the pocket - inside the waste band or pants seem the most logical, but choosing a holster from a picture is difficult. Plus living in a rural area, Wallyworld doesn't have a display for pistols or revolver holsters.
Many holster manufactures only show products for Smith & Wesson, Glock or Colt, leaving out Ruger, Springfield, etc; it seems like they are missing a good market.
Rarely do you see products that would make your weapon easily accessible while carrying in your vehicle, and still have concealment while stopped or exiting.
Just some random thoughts. Keep up the great programming.
Bill D
Elizabeth, Arkansas -- some where in the middle of the woods
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Pocket carry is never a problem if you have the right sized pants.
'Course, that means no "painted on jeans."
Then again, I'd be prejudiced toward pocket carry because I do have pants pockets large enough to fit a Glock 19 in.
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Well let me say this these are a great bunch of ideas for a great show like SG and how often do you see the host actually reply with an answer . Not very often and it just goes to how much some people actually care about what the people who watch their show, and my hats off to those behind the scene. It makes it worth it to wait for 8 pm every wednesday and if I go to work you better believe it is taped. And before my second minda I like to call Al forgets thanks for this site. ;D
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How about a 30 second slot each week that would identify businesses who support anti-gun activities and a short explanation of what that support is?
I don't like my money going to anti-gun businesses....knowing who not to spend with would be nice.
A moderated list on DownRange.TV would also be nice.
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How about a 30 second slot each week that would identify businesses who support anti-gun activities and a short explanation of what that support is?
I don't like my money going to anti-gun businesses....knowing who not to spend with would be nice.
A moderated list on DownRange.TV would also be nice.
The list on the forum would be real good, Then I would not have wound up with a Compaq computer made by anti civil rights HP
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The list on the forum would be real good, Then I would not have wound up with a Compaq computer made by anti civil rights HP
Can't say I'm not surprised by the HP comments - most big companies are very anti-personal rights these days. Sadly I think it would be a very long list. My own company, HQ in CA, has a "policy" against weapons on premises, in direct violation of the ND Constitution - no exemptions granted.
Anyhow, I'm not surprised by the HP comments, but can you detail what, when and why? Like with Conoco and AOL, I quit both because of their abuses of employees (firing actually) for having guns in their car trunks to go shooting after work.
Thanks.
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I, as would many of my handicapped friends, would love to see a segment about SD for the handicapped. There are pros and cons for the wheelchair bound, as with those that use a walker or cane. I have been discussing this very subject with an instructor for Suarez International on this board and the possibilities are endless. As "soft targets", we must be even more vigilant in our training and tactics to ensure our family's safety!
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I, as would many of my handicapped friends, would love to see a segment about SD for the handicapped. There are pros and cons for the wheelchair bound, as with those that use a walker or cane. I have been discussing this very subject with an instructor for Suarez International on this board and the possibilities are endless. As "soft targets", we must be even more vigilant in our training and tactics to ensure our family's safety!
Another good Idea,
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You know, along with gun work, I love wood work. They go hand in hand in some ways. I used to watch a show called new yankee work shop. At first the guy "Norm" made really nice, down to earth projects. Then, as the show progressed, the projects got so out of touch and the equipment no industrialized that I no longer watched. I don't want that to happen with the show. I do not want to see a bunch of $2000 1911's and $3000 AR's all the time. I can't buy one, and not many folks can. Well many can, but how many watch this show. The everyday Joe with a mid-priced collection with the most expensive being maybe a 1911 in the $600 range are the folks that watched the show from the start. I would hate to feel like they lost contact with the true fans.
$5000 shotguns are nice, and I see too many already on Shooting USA. Show me a Mauser build that I can do. Teach me about CCW and what I can do with Dad's old .22. Don't spend too much time reminding me that how high my morgage is. I think about that all day. Do not make me watch the show and think to myself, " you know, there should be a show for the common Joe". I think , unless I am mistaken, that is where this show started. Am I correct?
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That is why I like the idea of a tacticle lever gun show. The fancies are cool and I enjoy seeing them, but not as a steady diet. That is why I liked the show where Walt talked about revolvers as CCW guns. GREAT info from a MASTER on the guns that we do or can own.
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SlideRacker!! Your right on the money.
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You know, along with gun work, I love wood work. They go hand in hand in some ways. I used to watch a show called new yankee work shop. At first the guy "Norm" made really nice, down to earth projects. Then, as the show progressed, the projects got so out of touch and the equipment no industrialized that I no longer watched. I don't want that to happen with the show. I do not want to see a bunch of $2000 1911's and $3000 AR's all the time. I can't buy one, and not many folks can. Well many can, but how many watch this show. The everyday Joe with a mid-priced collection with the most expensive being maybe a 1911 in the $600 range are the folks that watched the show from the start. I would hate to feel like they lost contact with the true fans.
$5000 shotguns are nice, and I see too many already on Shooting USA. Show me a Mauser build that I can do. Teach me about CCW and what I can do with Dad's old .22. Don't spend too much time reminding me that how high my morgage is. I think about that all day. Do not make me watch the show and think to myself, " you know, there should be a show for the common Joe". I think , unless I am mistaken, that is where this show started. Am I correct?
I know what you mean on both counts. I used to watch Norms show, but I don't have a $10,000 shop, or a $2,000 shotgun
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You know, along with gun work, I love wood work. They go hand in hand in some ways. I used to watch a show called new yankee work shop. At first the guy "Norm" made really nice, down to earth projects. Then, as the show progressed, the projects got so out of touch and the equipment no industrialized that I no longer watched. I don't want that to happen with the show. I do not want to see a bunch of $2000 1911's and $3000 AR's all the time. I can't buy one, and not many folks can. Well many can, but how many watch this show. The everyday Joe with a mid-priced collection with the most expensive being maybe a 1911 in the $600 range are the folks that watched the show from the start. I would hate to feel like they lost contact with the true fans.
$5000 shotguns are nice, and I see too many already on Shooting USA. Show me a Mauser build that I can do. Teach me about CCW and what I can do with Dad's old .22. Don't spend too much time reminding me that how high my morgage is. I think about that all day. Do not make me watch the show and think to myself, " you know, there should be a show for the common Joe". I think , unless I am mistaken, that is where this show started. Am I correct?
Best time with Norm, he pushed a board through the table saw, obviously was not paying close attention, and you could just see that the board was being cut at the wrong angle. Next scene - it fit perfectly.
Ah, yes the miracle of modern Television!
I do feel a little guilty though, I do have a $700 AR, and a $1300 Sig, seems like too much of something. Or maybe not enough of something. Confused . . . .
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I don't have a $8500 router or a $4500 air brad and nailer set, but I can build a spice rack. Same with my guns. I have everything I need to get the job. I just won't look as cool doing it; however, I can offord ammo.
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I SECOND DOC R'S SUGGESTION. ALL THIS TALK ABOUT TOOLS AND TACTICS IS GREAT, HOWEVER I WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOME COVERAGE PERTAINING TO THE LEGALITY OF THEIR USE. I KNOW LAWS VARY FROM STATE TO STATE AND COUNTY TO COUNTY, BUT THEIR ARE BASICS THAT APPLY TO ALL. REGARDLESS OF SPECIFIC LAWS PERHAPS POSTING BASIC QUESTIONS AND CONSIDERATIONS WE ALL MUST THINK OF BEFORE, DURING, AND AFTER WE ACT WOULD TRULY BE A LIFE SAVER. I'VE KNOWN RESPONSIBLE GUN OWNERS WHO KNEW ALL ABOUT SAFETY, TERMINOLOGY, AND MECHANICS YET NOTHING ABOUT LEGAL APPLICATIONS. WITH A LITTLE BIT OF KNOWLEDGE MY FRIENDS AND I WILL REFUSE TO BE VICTIMS OR INMATES.
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I don't have a $8500 router or a $4500 air brad and nailer set, but I can build a spice rack. Same with my guns. I have everything I need to get the job. I just won't look as cool doing it; however, I can offord ammo.
And a gun rack, also a nice box to put all that ammo in ;D
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Clinton, Obama, and McCain Dangling from a tree like old time horse theives.
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I, as would many of my handicapped friends, would love to see a segment about SD for the handicapped. There are pros and cons for the wheelchair bound, as with those that use a walker or cane. I have been discussing this very subject with an instructor for Suarez International on this board and the possibilities are endless. As "soft targets", we must be even more vigilant in our training and tactics to ensure our family's safety!
Now thats something I would find very intresting.