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Member Section => Politics & RKBA => Topic started by: PegLeg45 on September 15, 2010, 12:08:45 PM
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Good thing or bad thing?
I really love that a virtual unknown candidate can unseat a several-term incumbent in a primary, but does she have enough momentum to take the November election, and does keeping a potential GOP take-over of the Senate hurt in the long run? With the Tea Party making a big splash like this in Delaware, is there a potential (with enough running) to put enough of them in seats to prevent a +50 any-party majority in the Senate?
Tea party victory endangers GOP’s goal of retaking the Senate
By Holly Bailey
With polls showing significant GOP momentum this fall, Republicans in recent weeks began to believe they had a real chance of retaking control of the Senate in November. But a major primary upset at the hands of a tea party insurgent on Tuesday may have put the Senate GOP's dreams of a majority at serious risk.
In the biggest electoral surprise of the night, conservative activist Christine O'Donnell defeated longtime GOP Rep. Mike Castle in Delaware's Republican Senate primary. Castle, a moderate who once served as the state's governor, had been so favored to win in November that his decision to run had reportedly influenced Democrat Beau Biden, son of Vice President Joe Biden, to abandon plans to seek his father's old seat.
But with O'Donnell's come-from-nowhere win Tuesday night, top Republicans in Washington now see virtually no chance the GOP will be able to pick up the Delaware seat this fall. As a result, they admit their already slim chance of winning back Republican control of the Senate is likely dead.
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more at link:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/yblog_upshot/20100915/el_yblog_upshot/tea-party-victory-endangers-gops-goal-of-retaking-the-senate
http://www.thegovmonitor.com/world_news/u-s-senate-races-to-watch-in-2010-23863.html
http://www.electoral-vote.com/evp2009/Senate/senate_races.html
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RINO's don't count, vote them out.
Rush nailed it today, it isn't about being conservative--it is about getting back to 51 so they can get contol of chairmanships and pursestrings.
The RNC machine is part of the problem...
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That's why I was asking.
Is there a potential for enough 'unknown' (non-GOP) Tea Party candidates out there to win enough seats to cause neither party to have a '51' majority?
I know the Tea Party is running on the conservative platform, but what if it ends up with a hypothetical example of say, 45 Dem seats, 45 Rep seats, and 10 Tea Party seats? Could it happen theoretically?
I'm not rallying for or against the GOP, they ain't a bed of roses any more than the Dems have been. I'm all for getting rid of the old shoes here. I'm just asking is there a wrench in the machine waiting up ahead.....as in: Can the Tea Party, while doing a good thing (unseating incumbents), cause the Dems to be able to do an end-run around the GOP and keep a majority...causing more damage in the long run?
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Anything is possible when the ends justify the means.
Most "TEA Party" candidates are running on the GOP ticket, so they will be GOP seats when it comes to counting seats for leadership.
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Don't forget the Dems threw Greene (SC) under the bus, too.
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Does anyone have a take on the GOP continually eating their own? It seems that everytime we get a genuine conservative, who is willing to fight and do the right thing, it's the GOP that is trying to shut them up? What baffles me is that these are the very people that are bringing people back to the repub tent in droves? WTF Steele????
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Does anyone have a take on the GOP continually eating their own? It seems that everytime we get a genuine conservative, who is willing to fight and do the right thing, it's the GOP that is trying to shut them up? What baffles me is that these are the very people that are bringing people back to the repub tent in droves? WTF Steele????
Something else along those lines:
FTA:
But with O'Donnell's come-from-nowhere win Tuesday night, top Republicans in Washington now see virtually no chance the GOP will be able to pick up the Delaware seat this fall. As a result, they admit their already slim chance of winning back Republican control of the Senate is likely dead.......
........On Tuesday night, the National Republican Senatorial Committee issued a tepid statement of congratulations to O'Donnell, but a GOP official told Fox News the party has no plans of putting money into the race.
That statement sounds like a schoolyard kid who strikes out in the third inning and then takes their ball home. The GOP candidate lost to a Tea Party candidate in the primary, and now the GOP says it won't back the conservative candidate because it isn't GOP. Looks like they would at least throw some support..... if for nothing else than to beat the Dem candidate in November.
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It's about control again.
The GOP would rather lose the seats now and teach voters a lesson that supporting candidates outside the GOP's wishes will get you nowhere.
While they might suffer losses now, it will allow them to keep the candidates the GOP wants in office rather than the ones the voters want in office.
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It's about control again.
The GOP would rather lose the seats now and teach voters a lesson that supporting candidates outside the GOP's wishes will get you nowhere.
While they might suffer losses now, it will allow them to keep the candidates the GOP wants in office rather than the ones the voters want in office.
I guess that's why I like Tom's 'rope' strategy all the more better.
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The big picture, which has the GOP establishment freaking out, is WE WANT NEW BUMS!!!!!
NO INCUMBENTS!!!, the message has to start somewhere. Castle, had your chance, Good-Bye. McCollum here in FL, long term member, had your chance, Good-Bye, etc,....etc,...
Is every tea party candidate good? Probably not, will some lose against the Dems in Nov. Probably....
But this is REAL change. Get the incumbents, establishment professional politicians OUT, they love their power more than their constituents.
Some won't ever get it. Look at Charlie Rangel, wins easily. John McCain, a bonafide RINO, wins again. It will take time, but remember the "Young Guns" of junior Republicans that wrote a book, and also want to buck the establishment, entrenched, BS that is Washington.
The shake up is for both parties, the Pete Starks, Pelosi's, Boxers, etc,....will just take more time.
The GOP "regulars", are part of the problem, and it's time for new bums.
I hope turnout is more than 15-20%...in Nov.
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We ARE sending the message "yer either with us or against us" and it scares the hell out of the establishment. They THINK they can subdue us by their weak support of OUR candidates. Well fine! For all I care the GOP can join the dems and WE will still have our candidates that will WIN!
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We ARE sending the message "yer either with us or against us" and it scares the hell out of the establishment. They THINK they can subdue us by their weak support of OUR candidates. Well fine! For all I care the GOP can join the dems and WE will still have our candidates that will WIN!
That's a 1000 yd poke right there! V-ring!
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I haven't voted for an incumbent yet, myself. :-*
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This is my humble view, the settle for Republicans or Rino’s are an intentional infestation that needs to be exterminated. They only serve to hurt the party and give the Marxist opposition the PR ammo to use against the Republicans. It’s like having an enemy within the ranks that uses the excuse of friendly fire to take down one of our own. I firmly believe that if we can get rid of them and stand united as a voice for freedom and limited Government and not compromise our honor, we will not only be able to defeat the Marxist currently in control but totally exterminate them in national public opinion.
We need to elect people who truly do believe in individual freedom and have a firm desire to keep our country the strongest is the world, not those who believe in a Marxist global agenda, like those currently in power with the goal of redistributing our wealth around the world to achieve their vision of a Marxist global utopia.
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I personally think O'donnell will win, but we all need to contact the NRC and Pitch a bitch, something I have not heard yet, and may have been said, Delaware, fired, Castle, Cassel however it is spelled, and that is the message that needs to be understood. Rino's no more. And the NRC better understand, many more firings are going to happen. The Nrc saying they will not support her is pure good old boy BS. Hang in there Christine. Delaware, beware, elect this woman.
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Let me add we all do need to step up and help. Before this year I have never given a politician a dime. But things have changed, I donated to Sharron Angle because Reed needs to go, I also donated to Rand Paul because I believe in him. And tonight I donated to Christine O'Donnell because I would love to see her take Biden’s seat. Having said that, I am by no means a wealthy man and times are tough, and my donations were not large, but I understand that every little bit helps and it all adds up. Freedom is truly not free at home or abroad.
P.S. Please don’t tell my wife! She would kill me if she knew I was giving money away!
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Jp1, good for you, I know its hard times, but even 10 bucks helps, I personally think we need to bust the NRC, and Michael Steel, who at 1st I thought was a good guy, but business as usual, yes the Nrc needs to give funds to candidates they in their wisdom think will win, this yr will be different, and I hope they learn and learn well. I want to strangle Rove and Krauthamer, hopefully they are on the next fired list.
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The Republican Party is the biggest problem this country faces.
Say what you will about the Dems, They READ and more importantly understood and applied Alinsky's rules, when they win they already have a plan ready.
It may be some dumb scheme like Cap and trade or healthcare, but it's a plan, and it's ready to go on day one.
The Rep's are so focused trying to get elected, when they do win they spend 3 years with their thumbs up their arses saying "What do we do now, George ? "
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The Republican Party is the biggest problem this country faces.
Say what you will about the Dems, The READ and more importantly understood and applied Alinsky's rules, when they win they already have a plan ready.
It may be some dumb scheme like Cap and trade or healthcare, but it's a plan, and it's ready to go on day one.
The Rep's are so focused trying to get elected, when they do win they spend 3 years with their thumbs up their arses saying "What do we do now, George ? "
I've heard it said, the only thing stoping a widespread out break of conservatism in this country is the GOP.
I agree with that statement.
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I think it's one sign of the Apocalypse for you and I to agree on politics.
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And I beheld RINO's falling like a bolt from Heaven.
And there was much wailing and gnashing of teeth there.
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And I beheld RINO's falling like a bolt from Heaven.
And there was much wailing and gnashing of teeth there.
The Book of Rastus 3:17-19
;)
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I think it's one sign of the Apocalypse for you and I to agree on politics.
I think we agree on alot more things then you think.
For the most part its my stand on biz owners and thier rights to restrict things brought on to thier property that you have issue with.
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Pretty much, Your position is that I follow your rules on your property, In the context of "Private property" I think that is simple courtesy. Where we differ is in the matter of "Publicly accessed" private property such as a store or employer.
You say "private property is private property, you don't have to go there.
I argue that if you wish to use the services, or take the job you do have to be there somewhat involuntarily.
Just like you can not deny service to someone for being a Jew.
Whether or not to practice a religion, and your choices in the matter, are purely voluntary and are protected by the 1st Amend. You can not be discriminated against on that basis. It's why people are so PO'd at the Muslims, they are using our own laws against us.
Whether or not to carry a firearm, and your choices in the matter, are also, purely voluntary and are becoming more protected.
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The Soviets described the American political system as "one party with two faces" and after seeing Carl Roves two faced response to the Delaware primary it is hard to disagree. You have the Washington crowd and they don't want outsiders upsetting a good thing.
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"Tea party victory endangers GOP’s goal"
I hope it does, I don't want the GOP's "same old same old" any more than I want the Dems "Hope and Change" BS.
These two parties have been trading power for 150 years and both have fu*ked up by the numbers.
The Republicans have been taken over by Rino's, and the Dems idea's are wrong because their basic philosophy is wrong.
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The way things are going now, if establishment republicans don't change their goals and make them more in line with the people, then the republican party will be the 3rd party. And you know how often the 3rd party candidate wins.