The Down Range Forum
Member Section => Politics & RKBA => Topic started by: ratcatcher55 on September 30, 2010, 09:00:39 AM
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From Fox news today
A coalition of Mexican mayors has asked the United States to stop deporting illegal immigrants who have been convicted of serious crimes in the U.S. to Mexican border cities, saying the deportations are contributing to Mexican border violence.
The request was made at a recent San Diego conference in which the mayors of four Mexican border cities and one U.S. mayor, San Diego Mayor Jerry Sanders, gathered to discuss cross-border issues.
Ciudad Juarez Mayor Jose Reyes blamed U.S. deportation policy for contributing to his city's violence, saying that of the 80,000 people deported to Juarez in the past three years, 28,000 had U.S. criminal records -- including 7,000 convicted rapists and 2,000 convicted murderers.
Those criminal deportees, he said, have contributed to the violence in Juarez, which has reported more than 2,200 murders this year. Reyes and the other Mexican mayors said that when the U.S. deports criminals back to Mexico, it should fly them to their hometowns, not just bus them to the border.
But critics in America say the Mexican lawmakers are simply trying to pass the buck to the U.S. and its taxpayers. They say the Mexicans should take responsibility for their criminals, who are putting both Mexican and American lives in danger.
U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement transports a majority of Mexican criminal aliens back to Mexico on buses. Since they're often held in U.S. detention centers near the border prior to deportation, busing them to Mexican border cities is much less expensive than flying them to the interior of the country.
Those convicted of crimes in the U.S. are required first to fulfill "any sentence imposed by the U.S. courts," ICE spokeswoman Virginia Kice told FoxNews.com.
She said all of the deportees are then inspected by Mexican immigration authorities when they arrive in Mexico, and if they are wanted for crimes in Mexico, they are also met by representatives from the Mexican Attorney General’s Office.
But if they don't have charges pending against them in Mexico, they are free men and women once they cross the border regardless of what they have done in the U.S.
Despite that, ICE says it recognizes the threat posed by Mexico's cartel-related crime and has been working closely with Mexican authorities to address it.
"Earlier this year, ICE suspended the removal of Mexican nationals with criminal records to Ciudad Juarez," Kice said. "…In addition to dedicating unprecedented manpower, technology and infrastructure resources to the border, ICE has also collaborated with Mexico to adapt its removal procedures in response to safety considerations."
And while criminal aliens continue to be repatriated to Mexico at other locations along the border, Kice said, "those removals are coordinated closely with Mexican authorities and advance notification is provided prior to the return of convicted violent offenders."
Juan Hernandez, founder of the Center for U.S.-Mexico Studies at the University of Texas at Dallas and former director of Mexico's Presidential Office for Mexicans, says he's spoken to the border city mayors, and they don't believe the U.S. is doing enough.
"Mexico believes that individuals who commit crimes in the United States should be prosecuted in the United States and not sent to Mexico to continue their performing of crimes," he told FoxNews.com.
Critics of the Mexican lawmakers say the U.S. is prosecuting the criminals in question, and if Mexico wants to keep them out of its border towns, then it should be up to Mexico to lock them up or transport them elsewhere.
"It's almost perverse that foreign officials would blame us for sending their criminals back to their country. Sovereignty entails responsibility. This country needs to take responsibility for its own criminals, and other countries -- Mexico included -- need to take responsibility for their own criminals and deal with them," Ira Mehlman, spokesman for the Federation for American Immigration Reform, told FoxNews.com.
But Hernandez, a dual citizen of both the U.S. and Mexico, says the U.S. can't wash its hands of this issue.
"The border will never totally be shut down because we don't want that to happen in the United States. Mexico is our second most important trading partner, there are close to one million people crossing legally every day between Mexico and the United States," Hernandez told FoxNews.com. "So we can be strict to the letter of the law and say these criminals are Mexico's problem, but it's not just their problem because it will come back to haunt the United States."
Melhman says in some cases it may be worth spending the extra time and money to fly criminals to the Mexican interior to lower the risk of them coming back over the border. But that decision, he says, needs to be made because it's deemed to be in the best interest of the U.S., not because of pressure from Mexico.
"Every day, American citizens are victimized by illegal alien criminals because, for political reasons, our government refuses to enforce immigration laws," he said. "…We need to put resources into protecting our own interests and making sure violence doesn't spread across our border."
Asked whether ICE planned to make any changes to its deportation policy since the conference, Kice simply said, "While ICE has suspended criminal alien removals to Cuidad Juarez, criminal aliens continue to be repatriated to Mexico at other locations along the border and to the interior of the country."
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Like they weren't criminal when they left Mexico? At least the very act of entering the US illegally made them criminals.
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Well, if they have served their time in the US for their crimes and are here illegally we can't let them stay.
And if Mexico doesn't want us to send them back there is no way we could think to pass off Mexico's rejects on any other country, so is Mexico suggesting we just "eliminate" them somehow? If so, how about just letting them do that dirty work?
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If it could stand the court challenges and crocidile tears it should be made plain and simple to the criminal deportes that returning to the US would result in summary execution and being buried in a large mass grave with lots of lime and no notification of any family or relatives.
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If it could stand the court challenges and crocidile tears it should be made plain and simple to the criminal deportes that returning to the US would result in summary execution and being buried in a large mass grave with lots of lime and no notification of any family or relatives.
That is the dumbest idea I have heard today.
Everyone knows lime doesn't really work like that, and in some soil conditions even preserves the remains..
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I didn't know that lime was useless in that regard. thanks for the info. I guess you agree with the other part.
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Darn right ;D
Need a shovel ?
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What a waste guys! We have a huge untapped natural resource. Can't we start just shooting them in the head and then rushing bodies to the transplant clinics? Thousands of people dieing on transplant list get new organs, and since we have so many now, go ahead and kill your new liver with hazerita's. We'll just get you another. Oh and the church run shelters get anything they are carrying. They would distribute it to the needy far more effectively.
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Saves a butt load of digging too.
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Be sure to use a small caliber round as to not damage any ocular organs.
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Be sure to use a small caliber round as to not damage any ocular organs.
How about one of those pneumatic cow guns to the back of the head?
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You know I can't blame the mayors. no mayor would want crimals dumped in thier city. Chances are good the crimals didn't come from that ciyt.
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We could just catapult them over the Rio Grande.
Off to the corner now, I'll restock for Octoberfest... ;)
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We could just catapult them over the Rio Grande.
Mel Brooks movie history of the world. Catapult scene is at 6:00... ;D
Off to the corner now, I'll restock for Octoberfest... ;)
better call haz and get a qoute on bulk frieght.