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Member Section => Handguns => Topic started by: Bic on October 12, 2010, 03:06:16 PM
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I measured my Glock 22 to the best of my ability with my schoolboy ruler and it seems to be slightly less long/high/wide than the specs given for the Ruger SR40. What might the advantages be for Lady Bic (short fingered lefty) of the Ruger over the Glock, which she claims to find uncomfortable, for a 'range/open carry' pistol?
MP
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The correct answer is a question: Which one does she prefer?
I definitely prefer the standard 1911 grip angle (and I like thumb safeties) so I prefer the Ruger over the Glock. Don't tell anyone I said this, but the Glock is probably the "better" gun but probably to such a degree that it wont matter for her usage.
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One dimension you need to check is the distance from the backstrap to the face of the trigger.
If it is to large for the shooter, they will have to shift their grip to be able to reach the trigger which would cause an uncomfortable grip.
The Glock was made for the Austrian Military and they only recruit guys the size of Hulk Hogan.
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The G4 Glocks have the adjustable grips. Ive never held one, but it might be the answer. Personally, I detest an external safety on a handgun (SA semis being the obvious exception). Thus to me a Glock is the way to go (a lefty just uses the triger finger on the mag release rather than the thumb). Still, its whatever fits her (doubtless dainty) little paw the best. If neither works, sell them both and buy one that does. There are too many good pistols out there not to have one that works.
FQ13
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Trigger, trigger, trigger. She gots ta like the trigger.
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The SR40 is new - as in "not debugged". Could be a hell of a gun but why be the first to find out it may not be.
If I were in the market for an SR40, (which I''m not) I would wait a year until the recall upgrade comes available.
If your sweety really wants a more comfortable gun, SHE has to decide what feels better to HER hand.
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Many thanks to all for your considered replies and I apologise for my tardy response (Lady & Master Bic are sick with some bug or other right now & I'm in charge of that ::).
She's also considering an H&K P30 (70?).........anyway, the one with the interchangeable side panels as well as the backstrap - but at $900 or so I'm not sure it's great value - I guess we'll try to find a store where she can play with them all & make a decision,
Thanks Again,
MP
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Spending $900.00 on Tupperware is a hard pill to swallow. Having said that, it might be the best $900.00 you'll spend on a handgun. By all accounts the P30 is a marvelous feat of engineering. All of the reviews that I have seen (sponsored and independent) rave about it. Having shot a friend's P30 I can say that it is one of the most ergonomic pistols I have ever held.
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How will HK's lousy customer service effect that choice ?
They only want to hear from military or police forces and would not sell to people if there were not so darn much money in it.
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I shot a HK P30 that couldn't get through a single mag w/o a malfunction... the SD40, Gen4 G22, S&W M&P all worked perfectly for a lot less $$$. Ya never know?
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Trigger, trigger, trigger. She gots ta like the trigger.
I stated something to this effect when I first joined another firearms forum and was promptly told by several Firearms Instructors that....The way a gun Fits and feels to you is irrelevant...as with proper training the shortcomings of any firearm can be trained out of you.
I understand the premise behind such a ludicrous statement but I still disagree with it.
Especially with a new unexperienced shooter...the way a firearm fits in the hand will make a huge difference if only a psychological one. Pick the one thats feels comfortable and inspires the most confidence.
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I know this board/site/show/MB are all sponsored by Ruger and I will be the last one to bash them, but I need to change my title to S&W Connoiseur because here I go again pushing the S&W. If she and you have not handled a M&P you don't know what you are missing. These are amazing sidearms, they have adjustable back straps which by the way change palm swell and distance to trigger for our short fingered friends. My Fiancee has the M&P9c and loves it, has it all set to her tastes and can shoot it all day in good comfort. Heck even I like the thing. S&W always has a rebate or mag program so you get something extra when you buy and I really believe that at this point in time S&W has the best Poly pistol for the price, FN coming in a close second.
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The way a gun Fits and feels to you is irrelevant... Pick the one thats feels comfortable and inspires the most confidence.
I know what they mean, and what you mean, and I agree w both of you!
Fit and feel are not irrelevant, but they may have more to do w how well you like shooting a particular handgun, rather than how well you actually will shoot that particular handgun after you really know what you are doing. The gun that inspires the most confidence may not work any better for you than those that inspire less.
OTOH, most gun owners will never get to the point where they really know what they are doing, so they may as well feel good about what they are doing, and have confidence that it will be good enough when the time comes. And it probably will. ;)
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When you look at guns with aggressive texturing on the grip surface you need to consider how you are going to carry the gun. The guns with aggressive textures can wreak havoc on cloths and exposed skin that continuously rubs against the surfaces. Glock learned their lesson with the RTF grip surface and changed it with the Gen4. People make the same comments regarding the H&K P30 and now the "E" series Sigs.
If it is a range gun then the problem is probably a non-factor but if your looking at carry gun pay attention to the surface textures against your body parts.
There is nothing wrong with the Rugers but if your looking at a poly-framed gun you might also consider the FNX line. The FNX is available in both 9mm and .40S&W. The FNX has full ambidextrous controls and can work in single action (cocked & locked) and DA/SA mode. It's priced in the same neighborhood as Glock, XD/XDm, and M&P.
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But when it comes right down to it.........
Wheel gunz iz Real gunz! ;)
;D
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When you look at guns with aggressive texturing on the grip surface you need to consider how you are going to carry the gun. The guns with aggressive textures can wreak havoc on cloths and exposed skin that continuously rubs against the surfaces. Glock learned their lesson with the RTF grip surface and changed it with the Gen4. People make the same comments regarding the H&K P30 and now the "E" series Sigs.
If it is a range gun then the problem is probably a non-factor but if your looking at carry gun pay attention to the surface textures against your body parts.
There is nothing wrong with the Rugers but if your looking at a poly-framed gun you might also consider the FNX line. The FNX is available in both 9mm and .40S&W. The FNX has full ambidextrous controls and can work in single action (cocked & locked) and DA/SA mode. It's priced in the same neighborhood as Glock, XD/XDm, and M&P.
And again we agree! I really think the Gen 1 and Gen 2 Glocks beat the hell out of the Gen 3s. The extra stippling and finger grooves now the gen 4 grips seem like a lot of hype. If I could find a a mythical used Gen1 G-26 to trade in on the Gen3, I would trade it in a heartbeat. My old G-17 was about perfect for this Quaker.
FQ13
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And again we agree! I really think the Gen 1 and Gen 2 Glocks beat the hell out of the Gen 3s. The extra stippling and finger grooves now the gen 4 grips seem like a lot of hype. If I could find a a mythical used Gen1 G-26 to trade in on the Gen3, I would trade it in a heartbeat. My old G-17 was about perfect for this Quaker.
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I will not hold that against you Watchman.
But I hope it does not become a regular thing. ;D
But when it comes right down to it.........
Wheel gunz iz Real gunz! ;)
;D
You mean these ? ;D
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You mean these ? ;D
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YUP! Very Nice! ;D
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While I ashamedly have to admit that currently the only wheel gun I own is an Iver Johnson .32 S&W Top Break....you can add me to the list of those who prefer Revolvers. A nicely tuned S&W 686 is a hard gun to beat for all around usage.
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When you look at guns with aggressive texturing on the grip surface you need to consider how you are going to carry the gun. The guns with aggressive textures can wreak havoc on clothes and exposed skin that continuously rubs against the surfaces. Glock learned their lesson with the RTF grip surface and changed it with the Gen4. People make the same comments regarding the H&K P30 and now the "E" series Sigs.
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I'm not understanding the need for all of these sandpaper like abrasive textures we're now seeing on handguns? People 25 years ago had no trouble holding on to .44 Magnum Super Blackhawks, or hot loaded Smith & Wesson 29's with beautiful, smooth wooden grips. Now their heading to the abrasive isle of Home Depot to wrap their 9 MM's in the latest Carborundum Norton has to offer. I can see the new Overmolded Hogue style because it's not abrasive, yet provides a nice gripping surface, but some of these "solutions" look like something you would use to refinish a family room floor! And then of course, right away the industry gets into a "can you top this" contest over it.
I can't imagine some of these abrasive style grips rubbing against a nice shirt, or worse bare skin. Not to mention they would hang up on clothing like trying to sweep steel wool off a carpet. It used to be if you wanted a little better surface for gripping a handgun you went to checkered grips. It provided you with a better surface, plus good looks. Now it's gone off the chart. People are too quick to adapt what some of these competitors use on the range in competition, to everyday carry. A lot of this stuff doesn't cross over very well. It's one thing to play with a gun on the range for half an hour, and another to carry one 9 hours a day on your person. Top Fuel dragsters are fun to watch, but they wouldn't be much good at getting you to work. Bill T.
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Indeed. For military duty, where sweat and slime is the norm? It makes sense. But for normal carry, just enough to compensate for sweaty palms would be adequate. Moreover it would be more "mission oriented" than the tacitcool stuff. Everyone wants what the SEALS have. News flash to buyers and the industry: We ain't SEALS. We want something comfortable to carry and quick to draw and accurate to fire, even with an imperfect grip. The stipling and finger grooves don't help with that.
FQ13
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.....I'm not understanding the need for all of these sandpaper like abrasive textures we're now seeing on handguns?....
At least some of it comes in from the competition side of shooting. The sandpaper grips help in competition, especially in the hot summer. Also, some of the plastic grips get a little slippery when wet with sweat despite faus checkering or other designs to improve grip.
(http://i603.photobucket.com/albums/tt114/RastusNR/RugerPair.jpg)
See Haz, I have something beside a Mosquito....
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The adjustable backs on the new Gen 4 Glocks is a plus. The grip is more comfortable than the RFT. Took a week for my side to heal up after carrying it concealed the day I bought it. Needless to say I sold that Glock 22RFT.
The Rugers are nice and would not mind owning one myself. But I also do not like to deal with manual safeties. The Smith and Wesson M&P series are a nice combination. I purchased the M&P9c for my wife cause she limp wristed the Glock. She loves it but prefers to carry the Ruger LCP.
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I have the Ruger SR9C and love it,about 300 trouble free rounds downrange so far and accurate.I love the slimness too,its my main carry piece now.
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