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Member Section => Politics & RKBA => Topic started by: philw on October 19, 2010, 05:50:05 AM
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so they are not far away
what is the feeling over there now with everything that has happened over the last couple of years
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The various pollsters seem to agree that the Dummycraps will lose the House, and the Senate may also be in question. It remains to be seen if the conservatives will have sufficient votes to overturn some of the crap we've been fed in the past 20 months.
This is an interesting election season, but even if conservatives succeed, I wonder if it will all be too late. We have now exceeded 3-trillion in debt--greater debt than any nation has ever had--and the only way to pay that off will be by wildly increasing inflation. That will have the effect of reducing everyone's standard of living to a much lower level. Real estate throughout the nation has yet to hit bottom. Gold throughout the worlds has yet to hit its peak value. It appears that we are all in for a very wild ride.
In my 6 decades I have never seen such polarization in our populace, and it appears to exist in virtually every major area. Some are strongly supporting the idea of greater government control over every aspect of life--so we can all feel safe. Others, with a greater understanding of both history and reality, are adhering to the idea that the best government is the least government. I fear some sort of revolution (peaceful or not) may soon overwhelm us. What we have when we get through all that remains to be seen.
Others on this thread may be somewhat less optimistic (sarc) than I, but I truly fear for my nation. I think we may have well and truly screwed the pooch.
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The only way I see a "Peaceful Revolution" occurring would be on the model of Honduras, where Obummer did something so egregious that the SCOTUS ordered the Armed forces, or LE (FBI, U.S. Marshal's ? ) to remove him from office and jail him. most likely such a move would require the jailing of much of the administration to consolidate their control.
With 5/4 rulings on such basic questions as Heller and McDonald, I don't see that happening.
Something most people forget, The President IS NOT at the "Top" of our Govt.
Congress, The President, and SCOTUS are co equal.
The power of Govt is not confined to Congressional votes and Presidential veto's. SCOTUS has equal law making powerand can overturn the intentions of either or both of the other 2 branches.
The socialists remember this from Alinsky's rules, which is why it is legal to burn the flag but not to pray in school.
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Meanwhile, back on Earth:
Phil,
The GOP will make major gains. Its pretty standard in any off year election. Particularly with a partisan shift. People voted the old bums out, things still suck, so they vote the new bums out and the old ones back in. ::) Given the fact that the economyy is still in the crapper and our departing troops have yet to be bid adieu by jubuliant throngs throwing rose petals in either Iraq or Afghanistan, expect it to be worse. Sadly, the GOP should take the House and still not take the Senate. Personally, I would prefer the reverse. I want the Dems to have one branch, but, with a Dem President, I'd like the GOP to have a say over nominations and treaties.
Politics aside, after seeing the fiascos W and BO brought us with one party government, I am now firmly in favor of divided government. It all goes back to Federalist 51. Checks and balances only work if fueled by self interest as patriotism is scarce on the ground. Pick your party. I only want them to have control of 2/3rds of the thing at any given point. There will be no revolt. ::) What there will be is a pattern of states falling back into their usual voting habits. Disgust with W turned a lot of red states and districts blue in '06 and '08. Dissapointment with BO will shift most of them back.
FQ13
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I'm thinking more toward the dictatorship. I really think the electorate are to lazy, and gullible to be allowed so much say.
I'm not saying I'd want to live in one, but a benevolent despot has long been recognized as the best form of Govt.
Since Dictatorship ALWAYS follows the failure of democracy, a little advance thinking might be in order.
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The 'Birthers' issue might be the one the SCOTUS could use to have BHO removed if he was ever required by a court to provide proof of his citizenship and failed.
As to a split party government for checks and balances, I see it as a government full of roadblocks. And this is a good thing. Government at a standstill it a Great Government. The best government would be one doing only what the Constitution empowered them to do, but that always seems to get out of hand quickly.
As Will Rogers has observed... "Be thankful we don't get all the government we pay for."
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Agreed, It's one job where the more they do nothing, the better off we all are.
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Phil, surely you don't understand our system of government. To give you an example of mid-terms...I'll be away so I just filled out my first ever absentee ballot.
There was a race for House of Representatives including LoBiondo who has been in there for a million years, is a worthless glad-hand, and four other people who were dimocrats, communists, nudists, whatever. Then there was a race for county clerk (county is bigger than city, with twelve or so in NJ). No one is running against the county clerk. Then there's a "Pick two" race for county freeholder (we prefer to call them county "freeloaders"- you get the picture) Two republicans, two democrats...I know for a FACT that one of the dems is nearly retarded. So that's probably the most interesting race. Then there are a few public questions, the most important of which was, should my own town hold their elections on the same day as general elections instead of June when it has the advantage of wasting more money. I voted for that one- cat's out of the bag now, I'm a fiscal conservative.
You also mention, "...everything that has happened over the last few years". Well, in the good old days there were a bunch of anus-heads in office but we were making some money. After this election we will toss quite a few of those anus-heads hoping that we can restore prosperity but it will actually have no effect, because our ONLY option is to elect DIFFERENT anus-heads into office, who will also do all the wrong things, lie, line their pockets, and breathe up a bunch of perfectly good air that could have gone to better use. Hopefully we'll recover on our own soon enough.
We have the equivalent of a choice of how to wake up in the morning... jackhammers or trumpet practice?
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so they are not far away
what is the feeling over there now with everything that has happened over the last couple of years
We're pissed and this time, really kinda payin' attention to this countries direction. Many just kind of wandered through life, not caring about some Congress Rep., Judge, Senator, City Council, County Commissioner,...dog catcher,...etc,...
But since BHO has been SO FLAGRANT, in his agenda, his Czars, his associations, his appointees, etc,...Folks like Pelosi, Reid, et al,...
All this has created a powder keg in the "average" American. It's not just the Tea Party, or Glenn Beck, or Sarah Palin, on the right, folks have been exposed to the corruption and B.S. from our politicians, (of both parties)....
The same ol' same ol', establishment, inside the D.C. Beltway has become a big enough burr in our boxers to actually tune in and do some research, and what we found, SUCKS ROCKS!!!!
SO,....we want to "hit the reset button", we want less incumbents, new blood, new bums, whatever,....and get the entrenched career politicians OUT!!!!
We can't sustain our current direction, and the blinders that BHO put on voters, and the slackers, have come off.
Hope that helps, IMHO.... ;D
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If it means anything, I've got four moronic co-workers who are so disillusioned with the whole thing that they refuse to even register to vote. :(
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If it means anything, I've got four moronic co-workers who are so disillusioned with the whole thing that they refuse to even register to vote. :(
That would mean that they didn't vote in the last election?
And if they didn't vote, who didn't they vote for?
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If it means anything, I've got four moronic co-workers who are so disillusioned with the whole thing that they refuse to even register to vote. :(
Dude! This boat isn't going anywhere, why should I bother rowing? >:( ::)
Sad thing is, half of them are probably talking about overthtrowing the system or something. If you can't be bothered to vote, do thnk you've got what it takes to be a revolutionary?
FQ13
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Dude! This boat isn't going anywhere, why should I bother rowing? >:( ::)
Sad thing is, half of them are probably talking about overthtrowing the system or something. If you can't be bothered to vote, do thnk you've got what it takes to be a revolutionary?
FQ13
A huge amount of anger and no more faith in the electoral process ? Sounds like prime recruits to me.
Meandering back toward the topic, This whole generation of politicians, Good, bad, or indifferent, they are all sunk for at least a couple more election cycles.
No one can do what needs doing with out causing pain and hardship for the majority of the population for a fairly extended period of time. We need to increase revenue while cutting spending by at least 60%. 75 or 80 would be better. Then cut the amount of cash in circulation by at least half, again, deeper cuts are better.
We absolutely must pay off the debt just like your credit card, otherwise we are just putting off the final reckoning.
also the party that does try effective fixes will be cursed just like Hoover, because the sheep hate sacrifice.
They all want things fixed now, but when it pains them, it's a different story, kind of like NIMBY.
Here's an example, The people in New Orleans "Demanding" better levee's,.
OK, but we will raise your taxes 25% and take a 15 ft wide strip of your back yard to build it.
How long before the "anti Levee" riots ?
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A huge amount of anger and no more faith in the electoral process ? Sounds like prime recruits to me.
Meandering back toward the topic, This whole generation of politicians, Good, bad, or indifferent, they are all sunk for at least a couple more election cycles.
No one can do what needs doing with out causing pain and hardship for the majority of the population for a fairly extended period of time. We need to increase revenue while cutting spending by at least 60%. 75 or 80 would be better. Then cut the amount of cash in circulation by at least half, again, deeper cuts are better.
We absolutely must pay off the debt just like your credit card, otherwise we are just putting off the final reckoning.
also the party that does try effective fixes will be cursed just like Hoover, because the sheep hate sacrifice.
They all want things fixed now, but when it pains them, it's a different story, kind of like NIMBY.
Here's an example, The people in New Orleans "Demanding" better levee's,.
OK, but we will raise your taxes 25% and take a 15 ft wide strip of your back yard to build it.
How long before the "anti Levee" riots ?
You are right, but there is a difference now.
The people PAYING taxes don't really feel sorry for the welfare cases anymore. We see them with blackberry's and flat panel TVs and nicer houses than we have. THAT WE PAY FOR. People are fed up with the freeloaders. Poverty and welfare are SUPPOSED to be uncomfortable. You are supposed to be embarrassed to use food stamps, because it means that you are not man/woman enough to provide for yourself and your family.
Today we have generations of people that see welfare as a CAREER PATH!?!?!?! WTF? I agree with you Tom that when the cuts come (and they will HAVE to) these people will riot in the streets. The problem for them will be this: The people that have been paying for their lifestyle don't care anymore. We are tired of working our butts off, playing by the rules, and living within our means, and at the same time providing some cracked out baby making machine who doesn't know who fathered half her kids lives better than we do ON OUR MONEY.
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Let them riot, then shoot them down in the street, like the parasites they are.
When Dem. Johnson, and his Dem cronies stole your social Security money to fund the Welfare programs there were 13 or 14% of the population living below the poverty level, after decades of "Govt help" the rate is exactly the same today.
Some one once said something to the effect that the poor are like dirt, they will always be there.
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Just about every one I know is pissed that they have to choose a crapy person, simply becuase they are less crapy then some one else.
I've also stopped picking up the phone, I'm average about 25 political calls a day right now. Both of us are registered as indy. I always vote the person, not the party.
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Just about every one I know is pissed that they have to choose a crapy person, simply becuase they are less crapy then some one else.
I've also stopped picking up the phone, I'm average about 25 political calls a day right now. Both of us are registered as indy. I always vote the person, not the party.
Then maybe you should quit voting for crappy candidates in the Primary's.
Voting "for the person, not the Party" is absolutely stupid. No matter what they say they will obey the orders to get campaing funds unless they have their own money.
If you are stupid enough to vote for a Blue dog this is what you support.
http://www.democrats.org/about/platform.html
For years, Democrats have attempted to work across the aisle to pass comprehensive legislation. We need to bring the 11 million undocumented immigrants out of the shadows
# Ensuring civil unions and equal federal rights for LGBT couples, as well as fully repealing the Defense of Marriage Act;
# Ending racial, ethnic, and religious profiling;
Starting with the passage of the Recovery Act, Democrats began a series of strategic investments in health care, energy, and education that are laying the groundwork to build a stronger economic foundation for the future.
For decades, Democrats have stood alongside labor unions in defense of fair pay and economic security. Union members have been a key part of the Democratic Party, organizing for elections and on issues such as health reform, minimum wage, retirement security, and greater accountability in the public and private sectors.
Go ahead and vote for a Dem.
Dumbass
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I would not vote for anyone that is for any kind of help for the illegals.
Its that simple.
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Then never vote for a Democrat.
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Then never vote for a Democrat.
Or a Republican, just in case you're forgetting W. and McCain's immigration plans, which looked an awful lot like BO's. :P >:(
FQ13
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Then never vote for a Democrat.
has FQ said, look at bushs deal.
Remember when I said I vote the person not the party. bush is a perfect example.
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Good Luck tomorrow guys
the $$$ in the media over here is the Dems will cop it up the arse big time and loose control
only hope the media gets something right over here ;D
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I'd say the House is definitely going to us but the Senate will probably stay Dim. We will pick up some seats in the Senate, though.