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Member Section => Handguns => Topic started by: sledgemeister on October 28, 2010, 04:52:30 AM
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Ok guys in the land with lots of guns, who has one of these beasts and what are the good things and the bad?
Looking at adding a new iron to the safe and since I have a ruger in 44 thinking of going bigger and better.
I would go a .50cal however because of our BS laws anything thing over .38 cal is prohibited and needs police minister approval and over .45cal totally illegal to own privately.
So that leaves me getting a BFR in .444 or 45/70 or a Smith and Wesson in .460. If I get the .460 that means I can use from 45 longs, 454 casull and upto .460 s&w.
Looking at the standard 460 with a 8 3/8th barrel, and most likely throwing a scope on it.
So things I am looking to know, quality?, scope mounting ability and accuracy, and how big a bang compared to a 44, I am thinking up to 2x the recoil of a 44 I should be able to deal with ok.
Sooo thoughts and opinions.
Bare in mind we are not allowed to use these for hunting where I am and they will be used ONLY for targets and silhouettes ;)
I will not be tempted to blow up a wallaby out the back of the boonies if I see one just to see what they do.......... ;D
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Soooo No one here has one ???
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Not much of a market for them.
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Sorry Sledge, but I am a 500 owner. I bought a 6" pc prior to the 460 coming out.
If I didn't already have a 500 I would probably buy a 460 because of the variety of ammo options, but I'm not giving up the 500. If I buy a 460 it will be in addition to the 500 and not a replacement.
I have talked to several owners of 460's, and based on their input and my own touchy feely I would buy the S&W X frame myself.
Big guns rule!
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I "had" one, in North Carolina, thought it was the ultimate zombie stopping pistol. Bought from a friend who was desperate for cash. Good for three different rounds:
45Colt
454 Casull
460 Magnum
Big, Heavy, expensive to shoot. Not very practical for me, as I don't hunt. But it damn sure was cool to whip out at the range, and look at folks eyes get big.
It will stop a Volkswagon at 100yds.
;D
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I "had" one, in North Carolina, thought it was the ultimate zombie stopping pistol. Bought from a friend who was desperate for cash. Good for three different rounds:
45Colt
454 Casull
460 Magnum
Big, Heavy, expensive to shoot. Not very practical for me, as I don't hunt. But it damn sure was cool to whip out at the range, and look at folks eyes get big.
It will stop a Volkswagon at 100yds.
;D
I pound 20 lb LP tanks at 100 to 200 yards. More fun than beer cans, but also more expensive ;D
After a real sales pitch it is fun to watch others shoot it. Especially fun when they want a reload and I tell them they have to pay for the next five rounds ... Kinda like being a drug pusher handing out drug samples. If their bride is along and she sees the sticker on the ammo box it always brings a "You are not getting one!!!" comment ;D
I do hunt, and I love dropping a whitetail at 200 yards with a handgun.
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Thanks fellas.
I know they are expensive to run however I recon after the initial set up reloads should make it fairly cost effective.
I might give the occassional person a bang but I think I will be capping the number that do. Might give phil a shot........maybe LOL
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Hell, A strong wind will stop a VW and roll it over on it's top to boot! LOL
Just feed the 460 different strength .45 Colt handloads and save the fun stuff for prepping to hunt and hunting! Some of the top end .45 Colt loads will take most anything you might want.
Richard
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Actually won mine at the Friends of NRA, cool gun.
I can't really compare to a 44 as I haven't shot one. First time I shot it with the .460 it did give my hand a good beating, but I just wear shooting gloves now and it really is now big deal. Or perhaps I just got used to it. With 45 colt, not much recoil at all.
It is definitely an attention getter, people just love the thing.
The hornady ammo isn't too bad price wise, about $25/box of 20, at least compared to the other ammo out there.
As yet I can't hit a darn thing with it, but that's just me, not used to shooting a big magnum revolver, but I am getting better.
- Kirk.
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Here it is:
(http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff87/gpsxplr/Guns/nrasw460xvr.jpg)
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Here it is:
(http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff87/gpsxplr/Guns/nrasw460xvr.jpg)
that is cool
you know you want to Rob ;D
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(http://i812.photobucket.com/albums/zz50/billt460/Ruger454Casull.jpg)
Ruger Super Redhawk .454 Casull
(http://i812.photobucket.com/albums/zz50/billt460/RemingtonXP-10035Remington.jpg)
Remington XP-100 In .35 Remington
(http://i812.photobucket.com/albums/zz50/billt460/MagnumResearchBFR45-70.jpg)
Magnum Research BFR In .45-70
(http://i812.photobucket.com/albums/zz50/billt460/MagnumResearchBFR500SW2.jpg)
Magnum Research BFR In .500 S&W Magnum
These are a few of my larger handguns. I'm assuming you are not located in the U.S. because of the gun restrictions. If you are in the market for a high powered handgun and can't go to .50 caliber, don't overlook the Remington XP-100, or the Weatherby CFP bolt action handguns. The Remington can be had in a repeater model, and in several rifle calibers that pack a wallop. Both of my BFR's are well put together guns. The .45-70 is not a bad weapon to shoot because the .45-70 is a low pressure cartridge compared to the .454 Casull or the .500 S&W Magnum, which both recoil considerably more. I've heard of the .500 double action S&W guns occasionally will double fire, which could lead to a dangerous situation if a person is not expecting it. One round out of these guns is enough to handle. In this video you can see how they are prone to do this.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C4OE78spknk
Obviously that can't happen in a single action weapon. Also, the lock work is less complicated with fewer moving parts on a single action. The .460 Smith & Wesson is built on the same X-Frame as the .500, so I'm just guessing it is prone to do much the same. The trigger return spring on the Smith's are very fast which is why guys like Jerry Miculek use them to set so many speed shooting records. Bill T.
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Just a few other things about the Magnum Research BFR revolvers that set them apart from other manufacturers like Ruger. The cylinder pin is held in place by a screw instead of a spring loaded plunger that locates into a detent. This is nice because the pin cannot move forward during recoil. I have this happen on one of my Ruger Blackhawks in .45 Colt with hot loads. Another feature I really like about the BFR's is when you open the loading gate, the cylinder free wheels in either direction, instead of only clockwise with all of the "clickity-clackity" like the Ruger guns do. Another feature of the Magnum Research guns is the grip frame is attached with Stainless Steel Socket Head Cap Screws. A really nice touch. My .500 S&W BFR also came with a Weaver type scope mount base and screws that match up with the drilled and tapped frame. If one were to mount a scope, you could do it easily, and even employ multiple rings if you wished to do so for added strength. Bill T.
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Just a few other things about the Magnum Research BFR revolvers that set them apart from other manufacturers like Ruger. The cylinder pin is held in place by a screw instead of a spring loaded plunger that locates into a detent. This is nice because the pin cannot move forward during recoil. I have this happen on one of my Ruger Blackhawks in .45 Colt with hot loads. Another feature I really like about the BFR's is when you open the loading gate, the cylinder free wheels in either direction, instead of only clockwise with all of the "clickity-clackity" like the Ruger guns do. Another feature of the Magnum Research guns is the grip frame is attached with Stainless Steel Socket Head Cap Screws. A really nice touch. My .500 S&W BFR also came with a Weaver type scope mount base and screws that match up with the drilled and tapped frame. If one were to mount a scope, you could do it easily, and even employ multiple rings if you wished to do so for added strength. Bill T.
Thanks Billt for you thoughts and pics <drool>.
Yes where I am in Aus we are limited to no more than a .45 cal and thats only with a police commisioners approval. Bloody stupid, I mean howmany people commit massacres with a 500 s&w? doh!
I was considering a BFR in .444 to match my .444 rifle but the cost of a bfr over here is nearly 3k bloody rediculous. Then i started looking at the S7W in 460 and thinking that given the different cals I could chamber for it would make a nice versatile handgun. Those BFR's do look sweet but!
Thanks again for your insight!
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Thanks Billt for you thoughts and pics <drool>.
Yes where I am in Aus we are limited to no more than a .45 cal and thats only with a police commisioners approval. Bloody stupid, I mean howmany people commit massacres with a 500 s&w? doh!
I was considering a BFR in .444 to match my .444 rifle but the cost of a bfr over here is nearly 3k bloody rediculous. Then i started looking at the S7W in 460 and thinking that given the different cals I could chamber for it would make a nice versatile handgun. Those BFR's do look sweet but!
Thanks again for your insight!
Not to cause a thread drift ... I'd never do that ;D, but it is just like the fear of the .50 cal rifle. How many of the gang banger methheads legislators are afraid of are going to run down the street with 57" 39 lb gun, or maybe they could just open the windows on both sides of their rice burning drifter and try for a drive by shooting ???
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Not to cause a thread drift ... I'd never do that ;D, but it is just like the fear of the .50 cal rifle. How many of the gang banger methheads legislators are afraid of are going to run down the street with 57" 39 lb gun, or maybe they could just open the windows on both sides of their rice burning drifter and try for a drive by shooting ???
Exactamundo, its the old evil cos its black mentality.
Put a pistol grip on a rifle it suddenly becomes more dangerous, an extendable stock its now 50x more lethal. Laws and ideas passed by numbnuts who have very limited IQ's and ideas.
This is how stupid our laws are, pumpaction shotguns are illegal (require cat c licence, hard to get) but lever action shot guns are ok, pump action rifles are ok? A auto pistol with a barrel length less than 5" is illegal as apparently its more easy to conceal than one with a barrel 5 1/8" ??? The antis want to ban semi auto because you can just squeeze the trigger and fire a shot, well what the hell does a d/a revolver do? I give up on the wowsers, they have nfi. There will be no more gun buybacks or give ups from this little black duck no more and I pity the fool that comes to collect whent he time comes.
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I guess the question here is why? Can you hunt with a handgun, or is it just illegal period (I mean caliber restrictions or what)? Y'all seem pretty liberal on hunting ferals. If its for sillouhettes, the good old Desert Eagle .44 mag is a classic for a reason (pricy, but a classic). As far as handguns, what will a .460 do that .454 won't? You can get a nice pistol from Ruger and a nice lever carbine from Rossi to go with it in .454 that will take .45 Colt for about the same price as one of BillTs drool worthy BFRs (figure about $700-$800 USD for the Ruger and $500+/- for the Rossi). Zombies, iron targets or rampaging brumbies and you're good to go. And nobody will call you a girlyman. ;D Just a thought, but honestly, if you can't kill it with the .454, you probably shouldn't have pissed it off in the first place. ;D
FQ13
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...pumpaction shotguns are illegal (require cat c licence, hard to get) but lever action shot guns are ok, pump action rifles are ok? ...
That's gotta be one of the most ridiculous sets of gun laws I've ever heard of.