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Member Section => Tactical Rifle & Carbine => Topic started by: Lucas on February 17, 2008, 05:07:21 AM
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Plain and simple what do you think of Vector Arms and the V93?
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Very new member here, but I am also interested in this rifle any info would be much appreciated.
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The HK (V93) series are good, solid designs. The ergomonics are a little dated compared to modern designs, but it's a good rifle.
Vector makes and very high quality product. I would not hesitate to use one.
Erik
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If you reload you may want to consider what the fluted chamber will do to your brass.
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What about a mini14, I know the general opinion is love'em or hate'em. What are the pros and cons, and can the cons be corrected cost effectively?
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If you reload you may want to consider what the fluted chamber will do to your brass.
Fluted chamber? New one on me....please explain. Seems like I learn at least 2 new things a day.....
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H&K roller locked rifles use a fluted chamber, when fired gasses fill the flutes "floating" the case so it can be extracted, the flutes are mirrored in the case so you have to resize the whole length of the case, they look like crap but only take a little off case life. A guy I used to work with was going to build his own presicion rifle from an HK parts kit so since we worked at T/C at the time he had a barrel made there, they didn't have the equipment to flute the chamber (not many Companies do) he never thought about it until he took it to the range. It would not extract, he had the only G-3 around that needed a ram rod that ;D was the only way he could get the cases out as they stuck fairly solidly. He did some research and found out that there was only one company that would sell him a barrel with a fluted chamber and they would not have any more for at least a year, also it would cost about twice what he had into the whole rest of the gun. He would have saved money by buying the PTR. He was NOT happy ! ;D
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I wrote Vector with no response, can the V-93 handle the 5.56 round?
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Speaking of rifles I think this is a heck of a deal CETME RIFLES. Classic arms
NO MATTERS WHICH DIRECTION YOU SEE THESE RIFLES FROM, THEY LOOK GREAT.
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YES, THAT RIGHT, YOU CAN BELIEVE YOUR EYES. CETME RIFLES WERE HUGELY POPULAR A FEW YEARS BACK, BUT THEN LIKE MANY FINE RIFLES THEY DRIED UP AND DISAPPEARED. WE HAVE NOT HAD ANY FOR THE PAST 5 OR 6 YEARS. BUT WE JUST FOUND A SMALL BATCH AND THEY ARE SUPER NICE. THE CETME IS BASICALLY THE SEMI- AUTO VARIATION OF A G-3 RIFLE OR THE H&K 91. IN FACT THE ORIGINAL CETMES WERE BULIT IN SPAIN ON THE SAME MACHINERY THAT WAS LATER PURCHASED BY H&K TO BUILD THEIR FAMOUS HK-91 RIFLES ON. SO WHAT YOU BASICALLY HAVE HERE IS A WORLD CLASS, .308 SEMI AUTO RIFLE AT A GREAT PRICE. NEW BARRELS, BEAUTIFUL NEW BLACK POLY FURNITURE WITH THE SLIM LINE FOREARMS, NICE COMPENSATOR. FLIP TYPE 3 POSITION REAR SITE THAT ALLOWS FOR A SMALL APERTURE, A LARGER APERATURE OR A GROOVE SITE. COME COMPLETE WITH 2-20 RD MAGS AND A 5 RD (LEGAL FOR HUNTING MAG ). LIMITED QUANTITIES SO DON'T DELAY.....THIS IS THE BEST THING TO COME ALONG SINCE ELASTIC TOPS AROUND YOUR STEP INS... CETME RIFLE.......$579.95
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Speaking of rifles I think this is a heck of a deal CETME RIFLES. Classic arms
NO MATTERS WHICH DIRECTION YOU SEE THESE RIFLES FROM, THEY LOOK GREAT.
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YES, THAT RIGHT, YOU CAN BELIEVE YOUR EYES. CETME RIFLES WERE HUGELY POPULAR A FEW YEARS BACK, BUT THEN LIKE MANY FINE RIFLES THEY DRIED UP AND DISAPPEARED. WE HAVE NOT HAD ANY FOR THE PAST 5 OR 6 YEARS. BUT WE JUST FOUND A SMALL BATCH AND THEY ARE SUPER NICE. THE CETME IS BASICALLY THE SEMI- AUTO VARIATION OF A G-3 RIFLE OR THE H&K 91. IN FACT THE ORIGINAL CETMES WERE BULIT IN SPAIN ON THE SAME MACHINERY THAT WAS LATER PURCHASED BY H&K TO BUILD THEIR FAMOUS HK-91 RIFLES ON. SO WHAT YOU BASICALLY HAVE HERE IS A WORLD CLASS, .308 SEMI AUTO RIFLE AT A GREAT PRICE. NEW BARRELS, BEAUTIFUL NEW BLACK POLY FURNITURE WITH THE SLIM LINE FOREARMS, NICE COMPENSATOR. FLIP TYPE 3 POSITION REAR SITE THAT ALLOWS FOR A SMALL APERTURE, A LARGER APERATURE OR A GROOVE SITE. COME COMPLETE WITH 2-20 RD MAGS AND A 5 RD (LEGAL FOR HUNTING MAG ). LIMITED QUANTITIES SO DON'T DELAY.....THIS IS THE BEST THING TO COME ALONG SINCE ELASTIC TOPS AROUND YOUR STEP INS... CETME RIFLE.......$579.95
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Are these C&R eligible?
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Speaking of rifles I think this is a heck of a deal CETME RIFLES. Classic arms
NO MATTERS WHICH DIRECTION YOU SEE THESE RIFLES FROM, THEY LOOK GREAT.
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YES, THAT RIGHT, YOU CAN BELIEVE YOUR EYES. CETME RIFLES WERE HUGELY POPULAR A FEW YEARS BACK, BUT THEN LIKE MANY FINE RIFLES THEY DRIED UP AND DISAPPEARED. WE HAVE NOT HAD ANY FOR THE PAST 5 OR 6 YEARS. BUT WE JUST FOUND A SMALL BATCH AND THEY ARE SUPER NICE. THE CETME IS BASICALLY THE SEMI- AUTO VARIATION OF A G-3 RIFLE OR THE H&K 91. IN FACT THE ORIGINAL CETMES WERE BULIT IN SPAIN ON THE SAME MACHINERY THAT WAS LATER PURCHASED BY H&K TO BUILD THEIR FAMOUS HK-91 RIFLES ON. SO WHAT YOU BASICALLY HAVE HERE IS A WORLD CLASS, .308 SEMI AUTO RIFLE AT A GREAT PRICE. NEW BARRELS, BEAUTIFUL NEW BLACK POLY FURNITURE WITH THE SLIM LINE FOREARMS, NICE COMPENSATOR. FLIP TYPE 3 POSITION REAR SITE THAT ALLOWS FOR A SMALL APERTURE, A LARGER APERATURE OR A GROOVE SITE. COME COMPLETE WITH 2-20 RD MAGS AND A 5 RD (LEGAL FOR HUNTING MAG ). LIMITED QUANTITIES SO DON'T DELAY.....THIS IS THE BEST THING TO COME ALONG SINCE ELASTIC TOPS AROUND YOUR STEP INS... CETME RIFLE.......$579.95
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Actually the CETME came first, after the war Germany was not allowed to make military arms for a while so since the Franco regime in Spain had been pro Nazi, a lot of the weapons designers and manufacturers went there taking their previous ideas and technology with them. The Cetme was derived from the ideas and designs spawned by the StG-44 and other German arms but was actually first built in Spain, The H&K G-3 was sort of like the child of exiled parents.
Does it have front AND rear sling swivels ? the one I got from Century (boo hiss) had no rear sling swivel and the stock was functional but kind of cheezy. I have never dealt with Classic Arms, but i would not buy ANYTHING from Century after that experience.
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where can i take a look
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Most of Classic Arms guns ARE from CIA. These look like part of the last batch of CETME rifles that CIA built after they ran out of good CETME wood stocks and slapped some US made G-3 stocks on them. The last batch were mostly ground-bolt versions as I understand, which means instead of putting new rollers and locking-shoulders in them to fix head-space issues, they ground the back of the bolt-heads down to give them the proper head-space. I would suggest passing on these unless you can check and inspect the head-space.
A little tip on this.
You CANNOT check the head-space on a roller-locked action with no-go gauges. You need a set of feeler gauges (like you use for checking the gap on a spark plug).
Step 1) remove the magazine and lock the bolt back in the manual bolt-hold
Step 2) CHECK THE CHAMBER (make sure it's unloaded)
Step 3) slap the charging handle down (do NOT ease it down)
Step 4) pull the trigger to drop the hammer
Step 5) turn the weapon over and look into the mag-well
Step 6) use the feeler gauge between the bolt-head and bolt-carrier
the bolt gap on a 7.62x51mm NATO rifle (CETME/H&K/PTR) should be between .004 and .012 inches {.1mm and .5mm} (between .008 and .016 inches is optimal however, outside of these you probably should change the rollers, locking shoulder or even the bolt-head), I have heard the 5.56x45mm NATO versions should run between .010 and .020 inches but I cannot confirm that.
On a personal note, I don't like the 5.56 versions of the H&K. The desire to use as many parts between the various versions of the H&K system led to the '93 being excessively heavy and bulky. I myself would look to the AK-74, either in the original 5.45x39mm or 5.56. Magazines are a bit of an issue with the 5.56 (to say nothing of ammo prices) as there was and is no standard for the 5.56mm magazines there tends to be dimensional differences between the various 5.56mm AK mags. The 5.45mm was standardized by the Soviets so everybody's mags tend to work in everybody else's guns.