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Member Section => Handguns => Topic started by: TennJed on November 08, 2010, 12:13:16 PM
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Was thinking of picking up a.357mag 2" Taurus 617 or a Ruger sp101 2.25in. I would lok at the 357 Ruger LCR, but i think its ugly.
I am a Ruger guy. I love how "tough" they are but the Taurus is less expensive and has a 7 shot capacity vs 5 shot.
Does anyone have any opinions on these or similar sized revolvers?
Thanks
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Sorry TennJed, but I'm a S&W J frame user. Haven't even shot the others, so can't compare for you.
Good luck!
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When shooting 357, the Ruger is probably the most controllable and least punishing on the market. It's built Ruger tough! The 3 incher is even better, but than becomes less pocket friendly. I'd imagine that a 7-shot .357 is pretty big in the pocket too, while a 5 shot cylinder is pretty slim.
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Ruger
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Any platform .357 in a snub will be a handful. Comes down to grip angle, size, ease of use for you. The added benefit is top shelf .38 rounds, even .38 +P rounds for SD and carry.
Taurus makes good revolvers, and does Ruger. (and others),.. It comes down to what feels more like Your pistol. Good reviews on snubs in the current Combat Handgun Mag. Do some research, and test drive the if you can,
Than there always is the 617T 7 shot....
Pretty bad ass.... ::)
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I owned a Ruger SP-101 and really liked it. Traded it off for a FN Hi-power. I have been looking for a replacement. The Taurus looks interesting, however that Ruger will last forever. Mine had a bunch of rounds through it with no problems. Double action pull was heavy.
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I owned a Ruger SP-101 and really liked it. Traded it off for a FN Hi-power. I have been looking for a replacement. The Taurus looks interesting, however that Ruger will last forever. Mine had a bunch of rounds through it with no problems. Double action pull was heavy.
As a Hi-power owner, I'd say you made a good trade. That said, you are right on the Ruger. I have been increasingly impressed by Taurus' pocket revolvers. Anybody out there have first hand knowledge?
FQ13
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I have a 617. It's a great gun. I can comfortably shoot .357 Magnum Winchester Silvertips in it. It's Bulky though. Its a good belt gun but too fat for the pocket. The SP101 may be too heavy for the pocket for some, but it could be done. I don't have one but I have friends who do, and they all love the SP101. Between the two, I'd pick the 617. Close to the same weight, and ya get 2 extra shots.
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Taurus revolvers are nothing but less expensive S&W clones. Even the Judge is no more than a modification of the S&W design made in Brazil. If you have to buy a second tier pistol at least get a Charter Arms and help save AMERICAN jobs.
Forget Titanium, their only value is for collectors. The tripling of the price of Ti. makes them worth more as scrap metal than they cost new, add to that that the same rise in price cut short production makes them ridiculously impracticable for self defense where if you need to use it you will at least temporarily lose it to the evidence locker.
You know Ruger's, you like Ruger's get the 5 shot and a couple speed loaders.
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Than there always is the 617T 7 shot....
Pretty bad ass.... ::)
Good luck finding one. I wanted one of them when the came out, but Nobody I knew could get their hands on the .357. I had one in .45 Colt, but it was stolen. Now, you don't even see the .38 Special ones around anymore.
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Good luck finding one. I wanted one of them when the came out, but Nobody I knew could get their hands on the .357. I had one in .45 Colt, but it was stolen. Now, you don't even see the .38 Special ones around anymore.
That's because a pistol worth $300- $400 new contains about $900 worth of Ti.
Who's going to pay over a grand for a .38 or .357 Snubbie ?
When I was doing sheet metal back in 2000 my boss gave me a 1/16" ( 0.062 ) sheet 18 inches square for a job, They had me save even the chips from the job because even back then that sheet a foot and a half square was $500.
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Yeah, and that's why i was told they quit using Titanium in guns. Wish I'd bought one of those Taurus 651's in Titanium when they were available.
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Yeah, and that's why i was told they quit using Titanium in guns. Wish I'd bought one several of those Taurus 651's in Titanium when they were available.
FIFY and I agree completely :-\
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Some of The coolest stuff only seems to be on the market when I'm broke....... >:(
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Some of The coolest stuff only seems to be on the market when I'm broke....... >:(
The story of my life. Hell, I traded (and I hate to admit this in public) a Colt Python .357 for a Glock. :o :-[ In my defense, Colt was still making them and this was a Tx. DPS trade in with holster wear and after the Luby's shooting in Killeen it seemed like hi-cap handguns were about to be banned along with "assault rifles". Still and all, I owned the only $1500 G-17 on the planet. :'( Stuff happens and hindsight is useless. My advice? Buy what you want when you have the green. In hindsight, you may have made a great investment or you may have gotten fleeced. Either way, you'll still have the gun and paid what you thought was fair at the time. That's my story and I'm sticking to it. ;D
FQ13
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I have an SP101 2.25 inch and love it. Great little gun. BUT!!! I want an SR9c really bad right now so my SP101 is on the chopping block. The SP is a great gun and you won't be displeased with it. I personally just can't seem to make up my mind.
By the way, where are you located? I'll sell you mine if you are in Middle or West TN.
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Having owned, carried and fired a thousand rounds through one, I'd go with the Ruger. Regretfully, I sold mine recently.
Shooting full load mags can be painful in a snubbie so the Ruger is the go-too gun for heavy loads. Yes, they can drag your shorts down a bit in the pocket but they are very concealable on a belt or in a pocket as long as your trousers are loose fitting and you have a good belt.
Light guns hurt with heavy loads. More importantly, follow up shots are hard to get back on target and that's really more the point here! If you can't put five shots at 20 feet into an IDPA target as fast as you pull the trigger, maybe you'd be better off with a different load. And that's why I sold mine.
I'll keep my 1911 for serious work but my next purchase, now that I'm in a state where I can buy virtually anything on the market, will be a 9mm with a big f..k.i.n.g magazine or a little, bitty mouse gun in .380 like the LCP or the Kel-Tec...
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Tim, to be honest, I would go with a Glock and a Kel Tec.
Neither one will get any ooh's and ahh's, but they both are reasonably pricd and do everything you could want from a gun EXCEPT look pretty in the safe ;D
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Tim, to be honest, I would go with a Glock and a Kel Tec.
Neither one will get any ooh's and ahh's, but they both are reasonably pricd and do everything you could want from a gun EXCEPT look pretty in the safe ;D
I don't own any safe queens Tom. I either carry it or hunt with it! ;D I also don't own a safe! ;)
I have need for nothing but I don't spend money on something I'm not going to use. If the gun goes bang, hit's pretty much what it's aimed at, and it's pink with flowers and a rainbow coalition banner on it, I could care less!
When it's staring a perp in the face, all he see's is the bore anyway! The Jimminy "Glock", Kel-Tec, LCP or "Made in the USA" (insert your name here) works, every time....it's going to get my money...
It's why revolvers are always high on the list.
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I have an SP101 2.25 inch and love it. Great little gun. BUT!!! I want an SR9c really bad right now so my SP101 is on the chopping block. The SP is a great gun and you won't be displeased with it. I personally just can't seem to make up my mind.
By the way, where are you located? I'll sell you mine if you are in Middle or West TN.
I'll trade you my SR9c for your SP101. I'm in FL but my dad live in Ridgetop. I could send it up with him at Thanksgiving to swap.
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Thanks but I sold the SP this weekend. Now I'm waiting on my shop to get my SR9c in.
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Even the Judge is no more than a modification of the S&W design made in Brazil. If you have to buy a second tier pistol at least get a Charter Arms and help save AMERICAN jobs.
I tried that buying 2 Springfield Armory .45's. Even they are made in Brazil by Imbel. The whole "Made In America" thing is carrying less and less weight anymore. Bill T.
(http://i812.photobucket.com/albums/zz50/billt460/SpringfieldHK45s007.jpg)
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No Bill, you're just running out of gun models to buy so you've gone overseas... ;D
Most of us don't have the resources to buy anything we want. Made in America means everything to me and Springfield is, and has been, on my "No Buy" list for some time. Last year I went to buy a nice little Browning BPS and found there were being made in SE Asia.....the quality was terrible. I left it on the counter.....
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I tried that buying 2 Springfield Armory .45's. Even they are made in Brazil by Imbel. The whole "Made In America" thing is carrying less and less weight anymore. Bill T.
(http://i812.photobucket.com/albums/zz50/billt460/SpringfieldHK45s007.jpg)
I've seen more and more of the Springfields with the Brazzo markings. It's my understanding that those are actually completely made down there and imported in as complete pistols. Even many of the Springfields that are stamped IL still had the frames made in Brazil and sent up for assembly. I'm pretty sure only their super high end stuff like the TRP's are all US and I wouldn't even guarantee that. If I want a Brazzo 1911 I'll just buy a Taurus. If I want an American 1911 I'll buy a STI or Doublestar or maybe even consider a S&W. I prefer to buy American whenever I can and especially in something that's as American as a 1911. I mean a non American 1911 is like a Chevy truck made in Mexico... oh wait that's another discussion.
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Sig 1911's are made in Exeter NH, I've watched them machine frames and slides (Job interview a few years back ).
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Don't forget about Para USA.
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Don't forget about Para USA.
Mines from Ft Lauderdale, FL.....
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One of three good things to say about kel-tec.
How did we get stuck with the high end and low end, and the vast majority of middle of the road guns are imported?
Substitute guns and add the product of your choice.
How long is this going to be sustainable?
FQ13
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How did we get stuck with the high end and low end, and the vast majority of middle of the road guns are imported?FQ13
We didn't. Ruger, Marlin, S&W, Remington, Mossberg, and a host of others I'm forgetting are all made here, and are "middle of the road". High end, as well as junk can come from overseas, as well as here. As I said, it isn't where it's made, but the process involved in making it. Quality costs money everywhere, except for the mining of Sierra Leone blood diamonds. And even that doesn't happen without a gun to someones head. Bill T.
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We didn't. Ruger, Marlin, S&W, Remington, Mossberg, and a host of others I'm forgetting are all made here, and are "middle of the road". High end, as well as junk can come from overseas, as well as here. As I said, it isn't where it's made, but the process involved in making it. Quality costs money everywhere, except for the mining of Sierra Leone blood diamonds. And even that doesn't happen without a gun to someones head. Bill T.
Are you sure about that? Becauseif I'm wrong, Ill be the first to say thanks. But my understanding was that Remington, Browning, Winchester etc. were using overseas parts. Ruger still seems "made in USA", but Mossberg/Maverick comes from Mexico in a lot of parts. Please correct me if I'm wrong.
FQ13
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Maverick comes from Mexico, Far as I know Mossy is still US
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And I stand corrected on the Mossy front. Thank God. I have to say though, I do like my Maverick "Leetle Friend". Still, I would have ponyed up the extra $150 or so had I known. I thought it was the same gun with a different label. My bad. :-[
FQ13 who will research more thoroughly in the future. Again, I screwed up here. Just got sweet talked into into it by an old gunsmith. Always, always research. :-\
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Don't sweat it FQ, If it's a good gun, that does what you need , then it's a good gun for your needs.
The best 1911 I have ever shot is my Rock Island, made in the Philippines, it's more accurate and reliable than any of the Colt's, Auto Ord, Llama, or (Brazilian) Springfield's, I've shot or owned
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"Parts" can come from anywhere. We live in a global economy. Sub contracting is much more prevalent today than it was 30 years ago when everything was manufactured "in house". This is why it really doesn't matter much where these guns are built, but rather HOW. Weatherby and Browning are both manufactured in Japan. Both are some of the finest non custom firearms produced today. The whole concept of "Made in America to save American jobs", is falling by the wayside in having any credible meaning any longer. Springfield's are being built in Brazil by Imbel, one of the largest, most modern gun manufacturers in the world. Weatherby and Browning are both being made, and have been made by Miroku in Japan. Glocks in Austria. XD's in Croatia. The list is endless. Even guns that are advertised as "made here", are assembled from parts made elsewhere. That in itself doesn't change the fact that a $2,500.00 Les Baer made in Iowa is going to surpass the quality of a $400.00 Rock Island made in the Philippine Islands. Bill T.
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Ruger SR9 magazines have "Made in Italy" stamped on them.
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Ruger SR9 magazines have "Made in Italy" stamped on them.
My Beretta 92-FS is an Italian made gun. But many of the M-9 Beretta's, and some 92's are made in Accokeek, Maryland. Bill T.
(http://i812.photobucket.com/albums/zz50/billt460/MadeInItalyBeretta002.jpg)
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Mines from Ft Lauderdale, FL.....
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They just moved to NC, right outside of Charlotte. Took advantage of the tax incentives, and property was cheaper.
Your right billt, Used to work for a dealership that sold Four Winns boats, Volvo (Swedish) engines, were a Ford Block, Japanese wire harness, assembled in Mexico, and shipped as a complete engine, to an "American Made" boat company....
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Last time I looked at an "All American" Harley Davidson, guy was giving me crap about the "Jap" Kawasaki I had, I told him, "flip up your seat" sure enough the wiring and fuel lines were covered in Japanese writing. Both of my Kawi's were built in the US. ;D
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Last time I looked at an "All American" Harley Davidson, guy was giving me crap about the "Jap" Kawasaki I had, I told him, "flip up your seat" sure enough the wiring and fuel lines were covered in Japanese writing. Both of my Kawi's were built in the US. ;D
I knew you were brave Tom, what with being a Marine and all. Still, I wouldn't have the stones to walk into a Harley dealer and ask a guy to "flip up his seat". ;D
FQ13
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Wasn't a dealership, it was outside a bar ;D
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Ruger SR9 magazines have "Made in Italy" stamped on them.
Most likely they are made by Mec-Gar since they make about half the "factory" pistol mags out there today. The other funny thing about Remington being made in the USA is they're still owned (along with Bushmaster and some others in the group) by a foreign country. It's getting harder and harder to buy an "All American" gun these days.
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We either stand for something or we'll fall for everything.
If our political whores don't realize the shipping work overseas the last twenty years has caused our economy to fail, then they don't deserve to continue in their positions.
I can't buy much made here but what I can afford and buy, I will or I'll do without.
Hard goods, cars, tools, guns, etc.......at this point, and I may be wrong, but the only motorcycle made completely in the USA is Victory.
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We either stand for something or we'll fall for everything.
If our political whores don't realize the shipping work overseas the last twenty years has caused our economy to fail, then they don't deserve to continue in their positions.
I can't buy much made here but what I can afford and buy, I will or I'll do without.
Hard goods, cars, tools, guns, etc.......at this point, and I may be wrong, but the only motorcycle made completely in the USA is Victory.
I would look at the Fuel and electrical systems before I made that claim Tim.
I think if HD could have found US made components they would have used them.
As for the Buy American idea I agree in principle, but if I want something I need to get what I can afford, This is where the Unions bite themselves in the butt, Yes it's good for the members that they make double what I do for the same work, but they lose those jobs because it pushes the price of their product out of reach of folks like me who don't have union jobs.
Why would I buy a Rem 870 for a weeks pay or more when I can buy a Mexican made Maverick for half that or less and still have money for shells ? For those of you earning enough to have the option , More power to you, people like me don't. (and thanks, you may lead to me getting a better paying job BUY SIG IT'S here in NH ;D ))
I'm not saying it's right, I'm just saying it's reality
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Obviously we can't buy exclusively American made but we can all try to be more attentive to the problem. New Balance closed their last facility in the US a few years ago so there isn't one shoe manufacturer left and we need shoes. Levi Strauss sold out years ago and they've not gotten my money since. I can buy a pair of jeans from Bass Pro for twenty bucks or less that's made in China, even less at the unmentionable super chain. Same thing with shirts, underwear, socks, etc....
Somewhere we have to draw a line in the sand and each of us has to determine where that line is drawn. I'm not condemning the fact that we all must survive, I make a decent salary but I have to be frugal when I can and other times, when the purpose of the item permits, I'll buy the best I can afford while trying like hell to keep the jobs here at home.
Personally, I think some of the money people spend on guns is ridiculous considering there ARE American made firearms that work well and are reasonable priced. No one really NEEDS a Wilson Combat 1911 worth 3K to 5K and those that buy them are free to piss away their money any way they see fit. I would buy one Para or Colt 1911 and 4300 dollars worth CD's (certificate of deposit).
Everything I own, literally, I use or I don't need it.
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Second time in one day I say Kudos Timothy. Right there with you on all points.
FQ13