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Member Section => Down Range Cafe => Topic started by: PegLeg45 on November 10, 2010, 07:39:11 PM
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I'm a firm believer in the 1st Amendment....but you gotta be kidding me......
I got this info from a friend in an email and then went to Amazon to see for myself and surely enough it was there. Below is the link plus editorial remarks from the web page. I also included the email I received minus the guys name.
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Talk amongst yourselves:
http://www.amazon.com/Pedophiles-Guide-Love-Pleasure-ebook/dp/B0049U4CF6/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&m=AG56TWVU5XWC2&s=digital-text&qid=1289438984&sr=8-1
Editorial Reviews
This is my attempt to make pedophile situations safer for those juveniles that find themselves involved in them, by establishing certian rules for these adults to follow. I hope to achieve this by appealing to the better nature of pedosexuals, with hope that their doing so will result in less hatred and perhaps liter sentences should they ever be caught.
WTF?
IMHO, a "lighter" sentence would mean using a .22 instead of a .44 to the head.
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Email:
Hey folks,
My friend and former boss shared his correspondence with Amazon in regards to material they have offered for sale.
Not sure what your opinions are on this matter, those that know me.....know mine !
Figured I would pass it along !
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Hello friends,
I have bought many things from Amazon.com over the last 8-10 years and have always been happy with them. Today, I received an email saying that Amazon was selling a book called "The Pedophile's Guide to Love and Pleasure". I looked for myself and was driven to complain. I am including my original email, their response, and my final response. It will be a freezing day in hell and the devil will be wearing ice skates before I buy anything else from Amazon. If you, too, are concerned about the decaying American society please voice your opinion to Amazon.
Best regards to all,
Ron XXXXXXX
-----Original Message----- From: Ron XXXXXXX
Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 6:08 PM
To: XXXXXXX
Subject: Fw: Your Amazon.com Inquiry
Here is my reply from them and my follow up email back to them.
Please refer to my original customer service complaint on this matter. The only way that I would ever consider shopping with Amazon again is IF I see on national news that the author of The Pedophile's Guide to Love and Pleasure AND the Amazon executive who is defending him have been "flogged" in public.
The only time I will mention Amazon will be in a very Negative fashion.
Ron XXXXXX
former Amazon.com customer
Glenwood, GA
Amazon's Reply:
-----Original Message-----
From: Amazon.com Customer Service
Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 5:36 PM
To: XXXXXXXXX
Subject: Your Amazon.com Inquiry
Hello,
As a retailer, our goal is to provide customers with the broadest selection possible so they can find, discover, and buy any item they might be seeking. That selection includes some items which many people may find
objectionable. Therefore, the items offered on our website represent a wide spectrum of opinions on a variety of topics.
Let me assure you that Amazon.com does not support or promote hatred or criminal acts; we do support the right of every individual to make their own purchasing decisions.
Amazon.com believes it is censorship not to sell certain titles because we believe their message is objectionable. Therefore, we'll continue to make controversial works available in the United States and everywhere else, except where they're prohibited by law. We also allow readers, authors, and publishers to express their views freely about these titles and other products we offer on our website. However, Amazon.com doesn't endorse opinions expressed by individual authors, musical artists, or filmmakers.
We value all feedback from our customers, and I thank you again for taking the time to send us your comments about this issue. Although we won't be able to comment further on this topic, we hope you'll allow us to continue to serve you.
Best regards,
Navdeep Kaur
Amazon.com
Your feedback is helping us build Earth's Most Customer-Centric Company.
http://www.amazon.com
---- Original message: ----
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11/10/10 14:02:47
Your Name:Ron XXXXXXX
Comments:I am absolutely disgusted that Amazon is listing The Pedophile's
Guide to Love and Pleasure.
SHAME ON YOU!
I have bought many items from Amazon, but you have seen the last of me!!!
I am through with you and I will let all my friends know about your
disregard for the safety of their children and grandchildren.
Ron XXXXXXX
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Pedophiles should be castrated, not sitting around reading a book about "the right way" to rape kids.
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Pedophiles should be castrated, not sitting around reading a book about "the right way" to rape kids.
Plus side, anyone dumb and sick enough to order that is probably on a watch list. More than that, if they are on any form of parole or probation, its probably a violation.
FQ13 who is hoping its true
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Plus side, anyone dumb and sick enough to order that is probably on a watch list. More than that, if they are on any form of parole or probation, its probably a violation.
FQ13 who is hoping its true
I can't see how something like this would not be a violation... sexual abuse of children is by far the worst crime there is.
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If they can arrest some one for having child porn on their computer how can this possibly be legal ?
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I can't see how something like this would not be a violation... sexual abuse of children is by far the worst crime there is.
I would think so. I'm willing to be charitable and think that MAYBE you can educate someone out of date rape. The whole "no means maybe" or "she was asking for it because she kissed me" might be cured by jail time. But when you start climbing into bedroom windows or targeting kids? I'll offer two points. Point the first. Its probably not your fault. Your wires got crossed somewhere and you didn't ask for it. Point the second. I don't care. You are a clear and present danger. You won't be cured and need to be put away. Not your fault, but not my problem either. You don't cure pedophiles. Just ask Cardinal Law. Oh, wait, you can't, he's protected by the Vatican from extradition. There is no excuse for these guys. Sad stories for a lot of them, but you have to break the cycle somewhere. I have a fair bit of sympathy for those who were abused and then go on to be abusers, but I'm not a fool either. You do what you have to do to protect the innocent. :-\
FQ13
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If they can arrest some one for having child porn on their computer how can this possibly be legal ?
Its legal for me to have plans for a suppesor. Its even legal of me to have a cnc program to make them.
The act is crimal, not the concept of the act.
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You are wrong TAB, Possession of Child porn is a criminal offense, There was a State Trooper up here who went to prison for it.
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I didn't say it wasn't. I said the concept of it was legal. It how people can get away with writing books like this.
Just like I could write a book about how to make a bomb.
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Pedophiles should be castrated, not sitting around reading a book about "the right way" to rape kids.
Jumbo, I never thought you were such a bleeding heart. Castration is waaay too good for these imps of Satan. They should be immediately dispatched to Hell, but only after suffering a slow and torturous execution procedure. The Chinese style "Death of a Thousand Cuts" might be a good start.
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Jumbo, I never thought you were such a bleeding heart. Castration is waaay too good for these imps of Satan. They should be immediately dispatched to Hell, but only after suffering a slow and torturous execution procedure. The Chinese style "Death of a Thousand Cuts" might be a good start.
I think what Jumbo had in mind was the way the "Apache" used to take care of things before Mr. Hathcock perforated the sick bitch.
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You are wrong TAB, Possession of Child porn is a criminal offense, There was a State Trooper up here who went to prison for it.
Child Porn, if the definition is a video, must be criminal because a child was used in them making. Possession is a crime as is receiving stolen goods.
If Child Porn is a book about sexual abuse of children, it should not be a crime...despicable, but no crime.
We put down Rabid Dogs. It is not their fault they are rabid and they have no control of what they do. We don't even harbor anger at them, but we put them down as quickly as possible.
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We put down Rabid Dogs. It is not their fault they are rabid and they have no control of what they do. We don't even harbor anger at them, but we put them down as quickly as possible.
Agreed. It is not their fault that they are a menace to society, but a menace they are and they should be removed from society as quickly as possible. "Putting them down" is the humane thing to do.
Oh yeah, Amazon has lost my business for good and I am spreading the word as best I can about this abuse of the first amendment.
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Let me start this post by stating that I think this guy should have his nuts chopped off with a sledge hammer.
But the thought crossed my mind that as obnoxious as we find this subject, isn't that the whole point of the first amendment ? Never mind our own personal cultural bias's . The Amendments are there not to protect popular idea's ( this is written material so it actually is covered by the "Free Press clause, unlike Flag burning and the nonexistent "Freedom of expression ) Popular idea's need no protection .
Is this a matter of Free speech/press, or is it aiding and abetting the commission of felonies ?
before you comment, consider if your opinion would apply equally to books about bank robbery or murder.
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Let me start this post by stating that I think this guy should have his nuts chopped off with a sledge hammer.
But the thought crossed my mind that as obnoxious as we find this subject, isn't that the whole point of the first amendment ? Never mind our own personal cultural bias's . The Amendments are there not to protect popular idea's ( this is written material so it actually is covered by the "Free Press clause, unlike Flag burning and the nonexistent "Freedom of expression ) Popular idea's need no protection .
Is this a matter of Free speech/press, or is it aiding and abetting the commission of felonies ?
before you comment, consider if your opinion would apply equally to books about bank robbery or murder.
Didn't the courts slap the pee=pee of Palladin Press several years ago over their publishing and sale of the guide on how to be a hit-man? One would think that any prosecuting attorney worth a damn (a lot to ask of a lawyer, I realize) could put together the same kind of case in this instance.
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There is, or shouldn't be, anything wrong with publishing or selling the book as long as it doesn't include kiddie porn. Still, it doesn't mean that possesing it shouldn't constitute a parole violation or be taken into evidence in a fresh case. Honestly its not only Unconstitutional, but stupid to ban it. If you do that, the author will just post it online and you'll never find out who owns it. Let him publish and you can supenoa the sales records as needed.
FQ13
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Is this any different than all the books that came out that had Bush being assassinated?
I have a couple of issues with this:
For one, it advocates the engagement in illegal behavior. ( child molestation )
Second, who is the author? It wouldn't shock me to find out that he's a convicted sex offender. If that is indeed the case, couldn't it be argued that he is profiting from his crimes?
Lastly, if you are going to make the free speech argument, then why can I buy this book, but not the Anarchist's Cookbook?
The jury is still out as to whether Amazon has lost my business. I have had nothing but good experience with them. However, I do believe in integrity. This could be someone there making an unreviewed decision. Although, the response from customer service makes me doubt that. I will see what Amazon does about this in the next few days.
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Why can't you buy the Anarchist's Cook Book? I got mine at Borders. Its a waste of $$$ BTW.
FQ13
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Why can't you buy the Anarchist's Cook Book? I got mine at Borders. Its a waste of $$$ BTW.
FQ13
Every time I have looked I find that no one carries it. One vender listed it as banned. This was a few years ago, so not sure what the current status is.
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Is this any different than all the books that came out that had Bush being assassinated?
I have a couple of issues with this:
For one, it advocates the engagement in illegal behavior. ( child molestation )
Second, who is the author? It wouldn't shock me to find out that he's a convicted sex offender. If that is indeed the case, couldn't it be argued that he is profiting from his crimes?
Lastly, if you are going to make the free speech argument, then why can I buy this book, but not the Anarchist's Cookbook?
The jury is still out as to whether Amazon has lost my business. I have had nothing but good experience with them. However, I do believe in integrity. This could be someone there making an unreviewed decision. Although, the response from customer service makes me doubt that. I will see what Amazon does about this in the next few days.
Probably because "your Google - Fu is weak old man." ;D
http://www.amazon.com/Anarchist-Cookbook-C-066-William-Powell/dp/0962303208
http://www.anarchistcookbookz.com/download-the-anarchist-cookbook-for-free/
Those are just 2 items of 5930 entries.
http://www.ask.com/web?l=dis&o=15492&qsrc=2873&q=Anarchists+cook+book
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Probably because "your Google - Fu is weak old man." ;D
http://www.amazon.com/Anarchist-Cookbook-C-066-William-Powell/dp/0962303208
http://www.anarchistcookbookz.com/download-the-anarchist-cookbook-for-free/
Those are just 2 items of 5930 entries.
http://www.ask.com/web?l=dis&o=15492&qsrc=2873&q=Anarchists+cook+book
Actually gave up looking, and just copied my buddies. Along with the McGyver handbook.
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There is, or shouldn't be, anything wrong with publishing or selling the book as long as it doesn't include kiddie porn. Still, it doesn't mean that possesing it shouldn't constitute a parole violation or be taken into evidence in a fresh case. Honestly its not only Unconstitutional, but stupid to ban it. If you do that, the author will just post it online and you'll never find out who owns it. Let him publish and you can supenoa the sales records as needed.
FQ13
FQ, when you say "include kiddie porn", you mean photos of underage youngsters correct? Not written passages describing events with underage youngsters?
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Update on the author.....I guess he got arrested..... hadn't heard it until today...
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_pedophilia_book_arrest
Bond set in Fla. for author of pedophile guide
BARTOW, Fla. – A judge set bail at $15,000 Wednesday for a Colorado man who wrote a how-to guide for pedophiles.
Phillip Greaves of Pueblo is charged with violating the state's obscenity law, a third-degree felony that could land him in prison for five years.
The 47-year-old was arrested Monday in Colorado, but Polk County Sheriff Grady Judd claims jurisdiction in the case because Greaves sold and mailed a copy of his book to undercover deputies in Florida who had requested a copy.
Court-appointed public defender Francis Solorzano, assigned because Greaves could not afford an attorney, first asked Judge John Kirkland to drop the case.
"Any finding of probable cause would tend to have a chilling effect on free speech," Solorzano said. "What we're dealing here is mere words. There are no images in the book."
But Kirkland said the judge who signed the arrest warrant had already found probable cause and he could not override that decision.
The self-published book — "The Pedophile's Guide to Love and Pleasure: a Child-lover's Code of Conduct" — caused a flap when it showed up on Amazon in November. It was later removed from the site.
Greaves, who has no criminal record, writes in the book that pedophiles are misunderstood, as the word literally means to love a child. He adds it is only a crime to act on sexual impulses toward children, and offers advice that purportedly allows pedophiles to abide by the law.
Judd said he was incensed when he heard about the book and that no one had arrested Greaves for selling it. The book, Judd said, included first-person descriptions of sexual encounters, purportedly written from a child's point of view.
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He is charged under Florida's obscenity law, which prohibits the "distribution of obscene material depicting minors engaged in conduct harmful to minors."
(http://d.yimg.com/a/p/ap/20101220/capt.2bf97836d3544cd78a5280d00cde87e3-cb968ddf13954af1bab84804ead74c69-0.jpg?x=213&y=266&xc=1&yc=1&wc=328&hc=410&q=85&sig=lW0iaFJy2cVqu5PzvnJGCw--)
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This case is a waste of money, but what politician/judge cares as long as they can grab a headline? ::). Kiddie porn (meaning pictures) is illegal because it victimizes the "models" who aren't old enought to consent. However the Court ruled that computer generated images of kids having sex were protected as it was just speech and no child was harmed. Likewise, "barely legal" porn and those uber creepy kiddie beauty pagents that sexualize six year olds (think jon Benne Ramsey) are all protected. The guy is a douche bag, but prose is protected, unless they can prove it described an actual event. Its why every book on "how to commit terrorism/kill the president/turn your mini-14 full auto, is protected.
FQ13
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I don't know how I missed this thread the first go around. What a disgusting POS this goon is.
I bet he's a charter member of NAMBLA.
FQ - the case may not obtain a prosecution but if the guy is jailed, we can all hope the general population will take care of the matter.
Re: the original post, at least Amazon removed it from their site.
Greaves, who has no criminal record, writes in the book that pedophiles are misunderstood, as the word literally means to love a child. He adds it is only a crime to act on sexual impulses toward children, and offers advice that purportedly allows pedophiles to abide by the law.
One hopes the 'advice' is to lay down on a railroad track and wait for the 5:15 to come rolling through!