Member Section => Down Range Cafe => Topic started by: mortdooley on November 15, 2010, 06:25:37 PM
Title: TSA-Grope Or X-Ray
Post by: mortdooley on November 15, 2010, 06:25:37 PM
I am surprised that no one has posted anything about the new Grope or X-ray strip search. Since I fly 3 or 4 times a year it bothers the he11 out of me and I sent an E-mail to my favorite airline to tell them they won't see me as long as this is done. Of course they are not responsible but I can't get to my plane without this pointless indignity so airlines are the ones hurt financially. I have been to the last three NRA conventions but I don't have the time to drive to the next one so Houston will be the next one I attend. And just so you know, TSA has never caught a terrorist but they have caused a world of grief for innocent people.
Title: Re: TSA-Grope Or X-Ray
Post by: twyacht on November 15, 2010, 06:58:02 PM
Amtrak... ::) Why we haven't mirrored El Al (Israeli Air), which has NO gropes, but better trained staff is beyond me, and ZERO incidents.
I guess with our HSA/TSA, we just do things the stupid and hard way. Leave it to our gov't to turn a miserable flight, into a humiliating one as well.
Check Drudge, the nun getting patted down is really classy....
Title: Re: TSA-Grope Or X-Ray
Post by: MikeBjerum on November 15, 2010, 07:52:32 PM
OK, I'll post on it:
I flew round trip to New Orleans, and I'm pissed about the new grope and feel screening!!!
Four major airports and no one rubbed or groped me once :'( I didn't expect a crotch grab the first time, but at least a little fondling to make a traveler feel welcome :-\
Title: Re: TSA-Grope Or X-Ray
Post by: tombogan03884 on November 15, 2010, 09:49:51 PM
Week end before last I spent an hour with 2 cute nurses holding my groin. ;D The Catheter and Arterial bleeding took most of the fun out of it though :o
By JOAN LOWY and ADAM GOLDMAN, Associated Press Joan Lowy And Adam Goldman, Associated Press – 58 mins ago
WASHINGTON – Nearly a week before the Thanksgiving travel crush, federal air security officials were struggling to reassure rising numbers of fliers and airline workers outraged by new anti-terrorism screening procedures they consider invasive and harmful.
Across the country, passengers simmered over being forced to choose scans by full-body image detectors or probing pat-downs. Top federal security officials said Monday that the procedures were safe and necessary sacrifices to ward off terror attacks.
"It's all about security," Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano said. "It's all about everybody recognizing their role."
Despite officials' insistence that they had taken care to prepare the American flying public, the flurry of criticism from private citizens to airline pilots' groups suggested that Napolitano and other federal officials had been caught off guard.
At the San Diego airport, a software engineer posted an Internet blog item saying he had been ejected after being threatened with a fine and lawsuit for refusing a groin check after turning down a full-body scan. The passenger, John Tyner, said he told a federal Transportation Security Administration worker, "If you touch my junk, I'm gonna have you arrested."
Tyner's individual protest quickly became a web sensation, but questions also came from travel business groups, civil liberties activists and pilots, raising concerns both about the procedures themselves and about the possibility of delays caused by passengers reluctant to accept the new procedures.
"Almost to a person, travel managers are concerned that TSA is going too far and without proper procedures and sufficient oversight," said Kevin Mitchell, chairman of the Business Travel Coalition, an advocacy group representing corporate travel departments. "Travel managers are hearing from their travelers about this virtually on a daily basis."
Jeffrey Price, an aviation professor at Metropolitan State College of Denver, said two trends are converging: the regular holiday security increases and the addition of body scanners and new heightened measures stemming from the recent attempted cargo bombings. Also, several airports are short-staffed, which will add to delays, Price said.
Homeland Security and the TSA have moved forcefully to shift airport screening from familiar scanners to full-body detection machines. The new machines show the body's contours on a computer stationed in a private room removed from the security checkpoints. A person's face is never shown and the person's identity is supposedly not known to the screener reviewing the computer images.
Concerns about privacy and low-level radiation emitted by the machines have led some passengers to refuse screening. Under TSA rules, those who decline must submit to rigorous pat-down inspections that include checks of the inside of travelers' thighs and buttocks. The American Civil Liberties Union has denounced the machines as a "virtual strip search."
Concerns about both procedures are not limited to the U.S. In Germany over the weekend, organized protesters stripped off their clothes in airports to voice their opposition to full-body scans.
More at link
Title: Re: TSA-Grope Or X-Ray
Post by: Bidah on November 16, 2010, 02:54:46 AM
I fly about as much as MB, so that means at least 2 times a week, every week. I opt for the full body rub and pat down instead of the scanner in every instance that I can. Yes, if you choose to 'opt-out' they love to humiliate you in front of the others by yelling up and down all the screeners that they they have an 'opt-out'. I don't really care and find it amusing. So far all the body work has been done in a professional manner. Then of course I have not been to Chicago or Newark which are the usual suspects for that behavior.
-Bidah
Title: Re: TSA-Grope Or X-Ray
Post by: alfsauve on November 16, 2010, 05:13:00 AM
............Then of course I have not been to Chicago or Newark which are the usual suspects for that behavior.
-Bidah
I was thinking I'd go for the scanner if I were at the Philadelphia airport. (city of brotherly love)
Title: Re: TSA-Grope Or X-Ray
Post by: DGF on November 16, 2010, 06:51:39 AM
There is an old joke about a Bar in Texas that is so tough that when you enter they ask you if you are carrying a gun or a knife, if you answer no, they give you one.
Extreme, but it seems to me that if those of us that are not terrorists were armed the terrorists might be a little slower to hijack a plane. Homeland Security perpetuates the myth that box cutters were successfully used to hijack one of the 9/11 planes. This is untrue, what was used was the terrorists saying that the plane was going to be landed safely and they would make their demands known. Since no-one had ever crashed a plane into a building before, the passengers were passive. That is no longer the case, act up on a plane now and angry passengers will settle you hash quickly.
On the question of bombs it seems to me a quick sniff by a trained dog would suffice. Who here hasn't been sniffed by a dog? Nothing new there.
Title: Re: TSA-Grope Or X-Ray
Post by: Hazcat on November 16, 2010, 07:35:59 AM
Week end before last I spent an hour with 2 cute nurses holding my groin. ;D The Catheter and Arterial bleeding took most of the fun out of it though :o
By JOAN LOWY and ADAM GOLDMAN, Associated Press Joan Lowy And Adam Goldman, Associated Press – 58 mins ago
WASHINGTON – Nearly a week before the Thanksgiving travel crush, federal air security officials were struggling to reassure rising numbers of fliers and airline workers outraged by new anti-terrorism screening procedures they consider invasive and harmful.
Across the country, passengers simmered over being forced to choose scans by full-body image detectors or probing pat-downs. Top federal security officials said Monday that the procedures were safe and necessary sacrifices to ward off terror attacks.
"It's all about security," Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano said. "It's all about everybody recognizing their role." Despite officials' insistence that they had taken care to prepare the American flying public, the flurry of criticism from private citizens to airline pilots' groups suggested that Napolitano and other federal officials had been caught off guard.
At the San Diego airport, a software engineer posted an Internet blog item saying he had been ejected after being threatened with a fine and lawsuit for refusing a groin check after turning down a full-body scan. The passenger, John Tyner, said he told a federal Transportation Security Administration worker, "If you touch my junk, I'm gonna have you arrested."
Tyner's individual protest quickly became a web sensation, but questions also came from travel business groups, civil liberties activists and pilots, raising concerns both about the procedures themselves and about the possibility of delays caused by passengers reluctant to accept the new procedures.
"Almost to a person, travel managers are concerned that TSA is going too far and without proper procedures and sufficient oversight," said Kevin Mitchell, chairman of the Business Travel Coalition, an advocacy group representing corporate travel departments. "Travel managers are hearing from their travelers about this virtually on a daily basis."
Jeffrey Price, an aviation professor at Metropolitan State College of Denver, said two trends are converging: the regular holiday security increases and the addition of body scanners and new heightened measures stemming from the recent attempted cargo bombings. Also, several airports are short-staffed, which will add to delays, Price said.
Homeland Security and the TSA have moved forcefully to shift airport screening from familiar scanners to full-body detection machines. The new machines show the body's contours on a computer stationed in a private room removed from the security checkpoints. A person's face is never shown and the person's identity is supposedly not known to the screener reviewing the computer images.
Concerns about privacy and low-level radiation emitted by the machines have led some passengers to refuse screening. Under TSA rules, those who decline must submit to rigorous pat-down inspections that include checks of the inside of travelers' thighs and buttocks. The American Civil Liberties Union has denounced the machines as a "virtual strip search."
Concerns about both procedures are not limited to the U.S. In Germany over the weekend, organized protesters stripped off their clothes in airports to voice their opposition to full-body scans.
More at link
And there is the truth of it. "Officials" are "preparing the public" to put up with more and more regulations on every aspect of life. When will we stand up and say "ENOUGH"!
Title: Re: TSA-Grope Or X-Ray
Post by: JC5123 on November 16, 2010, 08:41:07 AM
There is an old joke about a Bar in Texas that is so tough that when you enter they ask you if you are carrying a gun or a knife, if you answer no, they give you one.
Extreme, but it seems to me that if those of us that are not terrorists were armed the terrorists might be a little slower to hijack a plane. Homeland Security perpetuates the myth that box cutters were successfully used to hijack one of the 9/11 planes. This is untrue, what was used was the terrorists saying that the plane was going to be landed safely and they would make their demands known. Since no-one had ever crashed a plane into a building before, the passengers were passive. That is no longer the case, act up on a plane now and angry passengers will settle you hash quickly.
On the question of bombs it seems to me a quick sniff by a trained dog would suffice. Who here hasn't been sniffed by a dog? Nothing new there.
+1
Title: Re: TSA-Grope Or X-Ray
Post by: billt on November 16, 2010, 08:57:31 AM
I don't see how this can possibly last. Especially with the Thanksgiving and Christmas travel days coming up. It won't be long before someone gets knocked on their a$$, or some hot babe files a high profile law suit. Look at most of these idiot's who work for the TSA. Their turnover rate is sky high, and most look as if they have the I.Q. of room temperature. This is a disaster waiting to happen. I don't think I could stand still while having some 250 pound moron massaging my crotch multiple times. Watch, it will only be a matter of time before some university comes up with a study stating the scanners are causing cancer in rare gay jungle mice. Leave it to the government to cause problems with zero results, and waste billions of the taxpayers dollars in the process. Bill T.
Title: Re: TSA-Grope Or X-Ray
Post by: MikeBjerum on November 16, 2010, 09:58:48 AM
And there is the truth of it. "Officials" are "preparing the public" to put up with more and more regulations on every aspect of life. When will we stand up and say "ENOUGH"!
Personally I am handling this like I do the businesses that deny my Second Amendment Right. I have faced this when flying with guns and the discrimination that some airlines exercise. I write to the businesses involved as to why I am not using their airline or business.
I used to have a set of business cards, but have run out temporarily, that explained on the back that I would not support "your business" because you do not value my Constitutionally protected Right as defined under the Second Amendment to the United States Constitution.
We need to make sure our government knows that we know what they are doing, we disapprove of their moves, and we will participate through the process to stop their continued limitations on our protected Freedoms. When I fly I carry a printed copy of TSA's rules with me, and I print out a copy of the airline's expectations, and if I can find one I will print and carry a copy of the airport's. I am not afraid to call foul when someone flexes their personal muscle. The two most common I run into are the number of guns - I have run into an issue where an airline employee tried to pull me from a flight back home because I had too many guns in my FAA approved and well used case that had already cleared TSA twice, two ticket counters and the airline weasels once on the trip (the "small man" did not appreciate my producing of the printed documents with all gun rules highlighted and my knowledge that I was OK); and the second is the amount of ammunition you can carry. TSA says (I need to verify for next flight it hasn't changed) 200 rounds or ten pounds, whichever is less. Two hundred rounds of .45acp in 230 grain jhp is exactly ten pounds on a post office scale. Mpls/StP will try and limit you to 100 rounds, but it is not on their airport information or posted anywhere. All but once I have been allowed to take the ammunition, because when TSA gets involved they quote TSA rules of 200 rounds or ten pounds.
The biggest one I run into in my daily travels is hotels. I make reservations half a day ahead whenever possible. I look at the hotel websites for all information possible, and guns are one of the items I look for. Since the rooms are pre-booked with credit cards involved I usually ignore the signs until the morning when I am leaving. I have been known to confront a manager during check out, but mostly it is letters and e-mails after the fact. However, on one day when I felt like being a major pain in the a** and the guy in my face at a major up scale chain had a manager tag on his chest, I asked what they meant by "no weapons" on their sign. He explained, and I processed what I had on me, in my car and in my luggage. It turned out to be their bad day! After clarifying that they did not notify me prior or have it on their website or reservation confirmations (this was book a month ahead for a convention where I was presenting), I asked if they had a safe and a tray for my stuff. After confirmation and the tray going on the counter I produced a cocked and locked 1911, dropped the mag and unloaded it into the tray and put it back in the holster; then the j frame came out and was unloaded into the tray, and it went back into its pocket; next was the knife into the tray; and finally I asked if I could keep my flashlight. I refused to leave the guns in the public safe, but promised to lock them in the safe in the room, which I refused to pay for. Of course, as soon as I reached the room I reloaded with my spare mags and went to my back up knife. Call me paranoid, but I prefer to call it prepared and the five p's of prepared are:
Proper Planning Prevents Poor Performance
Daily rant off for now.
Bottom line that may get lost in the long rant is: I publicly and privately protest infringements on my Constitutionally protected Rights!
Title: Re: TSA-Grope Or X-Ray
Post by: WatchManUSA on November 16, 2010, 11:52:51 AM
This is a classic example of the govvernment "...looking for trouble, finding it, misdiagnosing it and then misapplying the wrong remedies."
Title: Re: TSA-Grope Or X-Ray
Post by: MikeBjerum on November 16, 2010, 12:22:55 PM
This is a classic example of the govvernment "...looking for trouble, finding it, misdiagnosing it and then misapplying the wrong remedies."
Isn't what you just described what is in the chapter on SOP contained within the governmental employee handbook ;)
Title: Re: TSA-Grope Or X-Ray
Post by: mortdooley on November 16, 2010, 04:11:18 PM
Southwest Airlines e-mailed my back today and basically told me they don't make the rules or run security(I told them I knew that in the original e-mail) and that it is for my safety and that of the flying public (government knee jerk reaction or grab for more of our liberties). I hope enough people stay out of airports to put pressure on airlines since they may be listened to, the public isn't. The first time I flew commercial was in 1972 and they had you empty your pockets and they pawed inside any carry-on, they even let friends and family go to the gate to see you off or greet you on arrival. Back then they were just concerned you would sneak a gun on the plane and hijack it to Cuba. (the plane, not the gun) I favor profiling, if it quakes like a duck, walks like a duck and looks like a duck it would be racist for you to think its a duck.
Title: Re: TSA-Grope Or X-Ray
Post by: billt on November 16, 2010, 05:02:06 PM
I favor profiling, if it quakes like a duck, walks like a duck and looks like a duck it would be racist for you to think its a duck.
+1 !
Checking the groin area of a 89 year old Scandinavian grandmother isn't going to make me any safer. Especially when Mohammad gets through with his anal cavity firmly packed with RDX. Bill T.
Title: Re: TSA-Grope Or X-Ray
Post by: twyacht on November 16, 2010, 06:22:29 PM
We still haven't "got it"....
Passengers are asked to report three hours before departure. All El Al terminals around the world are closely monitored for security. There are plain-clothes agents and fully armed police or military personnel who patrol the premises for explosives, suspicious behavior, and other threats. Inside the terminal, passengers and their baggage are checked by a trained team. El Al security procedures require that all passengers be interviewed individually prior to boarding, allowing El Al staff to identify possible security threats. Passengers will be asked questions about where they are coming from, the reason for their trip, their job or occupation, and whether they have packed their bags themselves. The likelihood of potential terrorists remaining calm under such questioning is believed to be low (see microexpression).[38]
At the check-in counter, passengers' passports and tickets are closely examined. A ticket without a sticker from the security checkers will not be accepted. At passport control passengers' names are checked against information from the FBI, Canadian Security Intelligence Service (CSIS), Scotland Yard, Shin Bet, and Interpol databases. Luggage is screened and sometimes hand searched. In addition, bags are put through a decompression chamber simulating pressures during flight that could trigger explosives.[39] El Al is the only airline in the world that passes all luggage through such a chamber.[40] Even at overseas airports, El Al security agents conduct all luggage searches personally, even if they are supervised by government or private security firms.[41] Undercover agents (sometimes referred to as sky marshals) carrying concealed firearms sit among the passengers on every international El Al flight.[42] All El Al pilots are former Israeli Air Force pilots.[43] The cockpits in all El Al aircraft have double doors to prevent entry by unauthorized persons. A code is required to access the doors, and the second door will only be opened after the first has closed and the person has been identified by the captain or first officer.[43] Furthermore, there are reinforced steel floors separating the passenger cabin from the baggage hold.[44] El Al is widely acknowledged as the world's most secure airline, after foiling many attempted hijackings and terror attacks through its security protocols.[2][3]
On 26 December of the same year, two PFLP members attacked an El Al aircraft at Athens International Airport, killing an Israeli mechanic.[13] The Israeli Defense Forces responded to the incident on 29 December, with a night-time raid on Lebanon's Beirut Airport, destroying 14 planes on the ground belonging to Middle East Airlines, Trans Mediterranean Airways and Lebanese International Airways.[14] The military action was responsible for the demise of the LIA, which had most of its fleet destroyed.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/El_Al
****
Gee, no one gets groped...and if you are groped for security reasons, you probably deserve to be....
But, NOOOOO, that's PROFILING,.... >:(
Title: Re: TSA-Grope Or X-Ray
Post by: billt on November 16, 2010, 06:40:10 PM
Don't even think of suggesting we do what El Al does. That is simple, cost effective, and it works. This is the United States government we're talking about. Bill T.
Title: Re: TSA-Grope Or X-Ray
Post by: Timothy on November 16, 2010, 06:57:32 PM
Personally, I don't care about getting an x-ray of my junk or even getting groped by some bone head TSA agent. I would prefer that I didn't have to go through the evolution at all so I don't!
I gave up flying years ago because it's a place where there are way too many people, some unwashed, unhealthy, unkind and generally in a bad mood for a variety of reasons. The food sucks, the service sucks, the booze is too expensive and though I'm not an overly large fella, I can't get comfortable in anything but a emergency row.
All that, and because of my hip implant and a face that's literally half metal, I need a note from my mommy in order to get near a metal detector.
f..k flying, I'd rather swim!
Title: Re: TSA-Grope Or X-Ray
Post by: billt on November 16, 2010, 08:09:53 PM
Title: Re: TSA-Grope Or X-Ray
Post by: Teresa Heilevang on November 16, 2010, 09:39:42 PM
The tin star ass-wipes... I swear to you that IF they pat me down..I'm going to make this little quiet small whimpering moan.. and give an erotic little suck in of my breath.. I'm going to embarrass them and make them as uncomfortable as I can.. in as subtle way as possible.. Hope Marshal has his camera ready.. LOL
Title: Re: TSA-Grope Or X-Ray
Post by: cookie62 on November 16, 2010, 09:44:17 PM
The tin star ass-wipes... I swear to you that IF they pat me down..I'm going to make this little quiet small whimpering moan.. and give an erotic little suck in of my breath.. I'm going to embarrass them and make them as uncomfortable as I can.. in as subtle way as possible.. Hope Marshal has his camera ready.. LOL
It brings up images of the restaurant scene from, "When Harry Met Sally."
Title: Re: TSA-Grope Or X-Ray
Post by: jp1 on November 16, 2010, 10:23:48 PM
The first thing you need to understand is that nothing about these screenings is about security, the x-ray machines are all about the money and the company providing them. I don’t have the time to go into it, but if you look at the people behind the company providing the x-ray machines you will understand.
It is all about installing intimidation, fear and control, and the idea of the public getting used to it. If it was really about security, the techniques used in Israel would be implemented. ID the terrorist not the item; it has been 99.9% effective.
If you still don’t believe, I would ask you one question, why are the people subjected to such extreme measures while baggage and cargo are not? Quick answer is you cannot take away the rights of a bag or cargo.
It’s not about security! It’s about money, control and power! It’s about removing the Bill of Rights, and getting people used to it in the name of security, so when it expands beyond flying the T.V. bots among us, will not fight back and accept the loss of freedom for security. Which of course in the end we will have neither.
Title: Re: TSA-Grope Or X-Ray
Post by: billt on November 16, 2010, 11:19:41 PM
Now they're talking boycott. And the drama continues. Bill T.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp=40223615�
Title: Re: TSA-Grope Or X-Ray
Post by: philw on November 17, 2010, 06:22:23 AM
The tin star ass-wipes... I swear to you that IF they pat me down..I'm going to make this little quiet small whimpering moan.. and give an erotic little suck in of my breath.. I'm going to embarrass them and make them as uncomfortable as I can.. in as subtle way as possible.. Hope Marshal has his camera ready.. LOL
I like your way of thinking 8)
we were talking about this at work yesterday
i said if they tried that to me I would of made it real uncomfortable for them ;) with a couple of offers while you are down there......
aparently there are 2 reports of people complaining about getting this and going them for sexual assault
A TRAVELLER has told of her shock and humiliation at the hands of airport officials who she alleges touched her intimately without warning. US blogger Erin Chase, author of the $5 Dinner Mum, has described in detail how she was touched on the genitals without warning during the new “enhanced pat-down” procedure.
and this one http://www.news.com.au/travel/news/one-man-airport-body-scan-protest-becomes-internet-hit/story-e6frfq80-1225954145690
Quote
MOBILE phone footage of a US man refusing to undergo a full-body scan at an international airport has attracted more than 210,000 YouTube hits in one day as the debate continues about whether the devices are a violation of privacy and harmful.
TSA don't touch my Junk
Title: Re: TSA-Grope Or X-Ray
Post by: billt on November 17, 2010, 06:27:19 AM
I think "Don't Touch My Junk!" is about to replace "Don't Tase Me Bro!" as the latest hip buzz phrase. Bill T.
Title: Re: TSA-Grope Or X-Ray
Post by: philw on November 17, 2010, 06:37:27 AM
I think "Don't Touch My Junk!" is about to replace "Don't Tase Me Bro!" as the latest hip buzz phrase. Bill T.
you have that correct
the media compared the 2 vids in one report I heard
Title: Re: TSA-Grope Or X-Ray
Post by: SwoopSJ on November 17, 2010, 07:27:01 AM
I've always felt that if my car breaks down, I can call AAA. If my boat sinks, I can swim. If my airplane, has issues, however, I can't flap my arms fast enough to stay airborne. The ever increasing hassles associated with air travel, combined with my own paranoia, pretty much guarantee that my backside will never grace the seats of a commercial airliner. Thank you TSA, for giving me an excuse other than just being a pansy! ;D If I can't get there, in an acceptable amount of time, by sea or land, I don't need to go.
Swoop
Title: Re: TSA-Grope Or X-Ray
Post by: billt on November 17, 2010, 09:12:41 AM
I agree with the poster who said this is all about control not safety. If you want safe air travel you do what El Al does. That involves profiling not patting. If you want to control the people, push them around, and appease the politically correct muslim lovers in this country, you do what the TSA, (Thousands Standing Around), is doing. I just hope someone doesn't get killed before this is all over. Bill T.
Title: Re: TSA-Grope Or X-Ray
Post by: mortdooley on November 17, 2010, 09:40:19 AM
In these days of huge national debt it seems we have just found an over bloated, unnecessary government program to end.
Title: Re: TSA-Grope Or X-Ray
Post by: Pathfinder on November 17, 2010, 10:36:42 AM
In these days of huge national debt it seems we have just found an over bloated, unnecessary government program to end.
I feel a letter-writing campaign coming on!
With all of the newly elected Tea Party and conservatives in Congress, it is time we give them their orders -
1. Abolish the ATF 2. Defund TSA until they use the Israeli model of security 3. Get out of the UN 4. Rescind Obamacare, not just defund it - defunding means the rules are still there, they just can't be enforced due to a lack of money 5. Send Napolitano to prison for corruption, along with Rangel (who apparently will get a slap on the wrist for tax fraud et al.)
Title: Re: TSA-Grope Or X-Ray
Post by: JC5123 on November 17, 2010, 10:47:41 AM
With all of the newly elected Tea Party and conservatives in Congress, it is time we give them their orders -
1. Abolish the ATF 2. Defund TSA until they use the Israeli model of security 3. Get out of the UN 4. Rescind Obamacare, not just defund it - defunding means the rules are still there, they just can't be enforced due to a lack of money 5. Send Napolitano to prison for corruption, along with Rangel (who apparently will get a slap on the wrist for tax fraud et al.)
You forgot auditing the fed.
Title: Re: TSA-Grope Or X-Ray
Post by: billt on November 17, 2010, 10:59:01 AM
You can also add abolishing the Department Of Homeland Security. They aren't making anyone safer, just consuming money, while growing larger in the process. Bill T.
Title: Re: TSA-Grope Or X-Ray
Post by: PegLeg45 on November 17, 2010, 12:05:16 PM
I've always felt that if my car breaks down, I can call AAA. If my boat sinks, I can swim. If my airplane, has issues, however, I can't flap my arms fast enough to stay airborne. The ever increasing hassles associated with air travel, combined with my own paranoia, pretty much guarantee that my backside will never grace the seats of a commercial airliner. Thank you TSA, for giving me an excuse other than just being a pansy! ;D If I can't get there, in an acceptable amount of time, by sea or land, I don't need to go.
Swoop
+1 I'm with Swoop.......... I've been on a couple of C-130's, a T-38 and a Cessna or two, but never been on a commercial jet and don't see it happening in the foreseeable future.
Title: Re: TSA-Grope Or X-Ray
Post by: billt on November 17, 2010, 12:55:25 PM
In spite of Mohammad and his buddies, air travel is still the safest from of transportation in the world. It is a proven fact you are safer in a commercial jet at 37,000 ft., than you are in your own living room. The problem today isn't flying, but rather getting on the plane! Bill T.
Title: Re: TSA-Grope Or X-Ray
Post by: billt on November 17, 2010, 01:00:45 PM
In spite of Mohammad and his buddies, air travel is still the safest from of transportation in the world. It is a proven fact you are safer in a commercial jet at 37,000 ft., than you are in your own living room. The problem today isn't flying, but rather getting on the plane! Bill T.
Oh I agree 100% with what you said.....I just (along with what Swoop posted) haven't found or had anything come along (or expect to) that would warrant the hassle of dealing with the butt-wipes at TSA and the airlines themselves.
PS: My living room has a pretty good safety record, but many years ago, my bedroom was nearly crashed into by a drunk who had ran off our rural road, jumped the ditch in his 1970 Buick LeSabre, and stopped with the bumper less than 1" from my bedroom wall......while I slept with the head of said bed against said wall.
Title: Re: TSA-Grope Or X-Ray
Post by: billt on November 17, 2010, 01:29:49 PM
I just (along with what Swoop posted) haven't found or had anything come along (or expect to) that would warrant the hassle of dealing with the butt-wipes at TSA and the airlines themselves.
I as well. I would rather drive. At least I am in charge of my own destiny. My patience is extremely limited involving travel of any kind at this point in my life. Bill T.
Title: Re: TSA-Grope Or X-Ray
Post by: fightingquaker13 on November 17, 2010, 01:50:43 PM
It really is sad, and the airlines I HOPE will start bitching. My mom can't afford to go to her neice's wedding in Charlotte. Why? She refuses to fly. She can buy a $200 ticket round trip ticket . But because she will be driving, she has to factor in gas, food, and an overnight stay enroute each way in addition. As she won't stay in anything much below a Holidday Inn or Hampton Inn or Redroof Inn for safety reasons that adds up. So a $200 trip with two $100 nights of hotels becomes a six day trip with $800 in hotels plus $300 in gas plus $200 in food, plus wedding expenses. She figures it would be better (and cheaper) just to send a $600 check. I very much doubt she's alone. FQ13
Title: Re: TSA-Grope Or X-Ray
Post by: deepwater on November 17, 2010, 02:03:34 PM
I, unfortunately have to commute to work every 3 months-ish and must fly to do it. I fly from South America to Florida, then to wherever the ship may be. and flying out of Tampax Florida I have to do the 'X-ray'. I prefer the grope. how much radiation can a body take? does it accumulate to cause damage down the road? hell no. doctors wear lead aprins and stand behind walls to give you an x-ray in the hospital. so how is this so much safer? no thank you, I will take the damn groping, AND voice my opinion so all can hear it. (happened twice now). screw the damn TSA and the retards they hire to 'ensure my safety'.
AAAAHHHHH!!!!
deepwater
Title: Re: TSA-Grope Or X-Ray
Post by: Teresa Heilevang on November 17, 2010, 02:03:47 PM
jp1.. I took what you said and posted it on my facebook.. hope that was alright.. if its not.. I'll remove it..
also added this .
Title: Re: TSA-Grope Or X-Ray
Post by: billt on November 17, 2010, 02:22:03 PM
Wait until the holiday travel rush, (both Thanksgiving and Christmas). This is going to result in an all out riot. I put this into the exact same category as Bristol Palin kicking unheard of ass on Dancing With The Stars.
The producers of that show set her up to take a fall, and be made a fool of much like they did with Tom Delay. Much like the government along with the TSA thought they though they were going to ram this up the American travelers ass. Now it's all turning around to bite them right square in the ass! The producers of Dancing With The Stars underestimated the power of the American public who support Bristol, along with the entire Palin family, just like the TSA under estimated the opposition they would be swamped with on this whole deal. NEVER UNDERESTIMATE THE POWER OF THE PEOPLE! It will bite you in the ass every single time! If you doubt me, watch Dancing With The Stars next Monday. Bristol will win even if the producers of that fiasco chop off her feet at this point!
The American traveler will $h!t on the TSA for screwing them around the exact same way the American people will $h!t on the producers of Dancing With The Stars for trying to set up a good and decent, innocent girl to take a fall for their liberal Hollywood political "cause". Bill T.
Title: Re: TSA-Grope Or X-Ray
Post by: MikeBjerum on November 17, 2010, 02:24:48 PM
As much as I hate what TSA is doing I want to remind everyone that flying is an optional activity. If we decide to travel we have many other options. Beyond the cost of putting all these gropers in place and the cost of the scanning equipment, I dread the day we are forced to give more tax money to the airlines because of the revenue they are losing. But, they will be losing some of my travel dollars.
To those that go looking for a fight, or those thinking they are going to slow things down you need a reality check as well. This kid in Billt's video link went looking for a fight, and I believe he was out of line. Simple rules of getting through TSA is that it is the passenger's responsibility to allow enough time to make the flight not the flights responsibility to wait for you, and if you fight the system you will be turned back or even arrested.
If these workers and their process is meant to protect us, and if it is going to protect us, everyone of these people that protest by fouling the system are actually making it easier for the "threat" to get through. Also, we need to remember that these workers are just doing their job and are not the policy setters. What are we going to accomplish by making their life miserable?
My protest option is to avoid the airline system whenever possible. If I can't avoid it, I plan to educate myself and cooperate and just get through it. I have described earlier how I handle taking guns on the plane, and this new system should be no different.
Going on FQ's example for his mother, I talked with the friends we went to Florida with last winter. We used a Tahoe to pull a trailer with bikes. Two hotels on the way down and one on the way back, and the meals involved. It took us longer - we lost three days to travel, but we enjoyed that time as well. When looking at airline tickets for four people, parking near the airport, rental car in Florida, and not having everything along that we take with large vehicle and trailer, it cost us less to drive it. A person just needs to get in the mindset that this is what we are going to do, and go with it.
Title: Re: TSA-Grope Or X-Ray
Post by: 2HOW on November 17, 2010, 02:38:31 PM
I used to fly a lot. I don't fly no more. I don't care how far, its not happinin.
Title: Re: TSA-Grope Or X-Ray
Post by: billt on November 17, 2010, 02:39:15 PM
If these workers and their process is meant to protect us, and if it is going to protect us, everyone of these people that protest by fouling the system are actually making it easier for the "threat" to get through. Also, we need to remember that these workers are just doing their job and are not the policy setters. What are we going to accomplish by making their life miserable?
You could say the exact same thing about the Hussein administration and Pelosi. This whole "go along to get along" attitude is foolish and stupid when the whole concept is totally flawed and backward to begin with. The TSA, our government, and the idiot's who choose to work for it, ARE WRONG, PERIOD! Going along with them isn't going to make anyone "safer". It's like gun control. The entire concept is flawed from the get go because they don't understand the problem. Good intentions won't buy you $h!t against radical islam, or anyone else who wants to kill you. You need a good system, and people to administrate it. We have neither one at this point. And a President who doesn't have a clue how to obtain it because he is trying to be too politically correct. What's next, Joy Behar in charge of airport security? Bill T.
Title: Re: TSA-Grope Or X-Ray
Post by: MikeBjerum on November 17, 2010, 03:16:01 PM
You missed my point Bill!
#1. Flying is an optional activity that we chose to participate in; #2. If you are going to fly educate yourself, and hold both yourself and others to the standards; #3. Work through the system to correct it - TSA check points are not the place to flex your muscles if they are following the rules; #4. And back to #1, this is not a Right as compared to arms, speech, religion, and not even search because when you buy your ticket you give your consent to a search of yourself and your bags.
My other gripe is that this kid with his political rant does as much to ruin my experience as the TSA rules, and more than the TSA agents. I don't see this as a Rosa Parks thing. This is an industry related situation as opposed to a societal or cultural mindset. She faced her situation with every activity outside her home, while this only affects us in one place. We can shut this down through the proper channels, and it will be easier to fix in the halls of D.C. than at the scanning booth at airport central.
If you are going to fight the system, don't purchase a ticket that gives them your permission to do this. Work with the system, and if you can't fix it do one of two things - If it is a Constitutionally protected Right shed blood, or if it is something like flying boycott the system and let the market speak. If the airlines and hotels around the airports lose half their revenue while we are working with our elected officials it will do far more than telling some one "don't touch my junk."
Title: Re: TSA-Grope Or X-Ray
Post by: Timothy on November 17, 2010, 03:18:59 PM
I, unfortunately have to commute to work every 3 months-ish and must fly to do it. I fly from South America to Florida, then to wherever the ship may be. and flying out of Tampax Florida I have to do the 'X-ray'. I prefer the grope. how much radiation can a body take? does it accumulate to cause damage down the road? hell no. doctors wear lead aprins and stand behind walls to give you an x-ray in the hospital. so how is this so much safer? no thank you, I will take the damn groping, AND voice my opinion so all can hear it. (happened twice now). screw the damn TSA and the retards they hire to 'ensure my safety'.
AAAAHHHHH!!!!
deepwater
Don't worry about the x-ray radiation, it's not as harmful as Madam Curie once suspected.
X-Ray, IIRC is a long sine wave radiation as apposed to gamma radiation which is deep penetrating and high acute doses are harmful to cell structures. I've literally had hundreds of x-rays over my life time and probably three hundred over the last four years. There is nothing to worry about there. I've also taken large doses of gamma radiation while working in the industry with no ill effects. Everyone is different but we've been using x-ray as a society for decades with no absolute proof of damage to human cells.
Now, avoid anything that tastes good or Jamaican beer....I hear that Red Stripe causes loss of hair!
Fair Winds Deepwater!
;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: TSA-Grope Or X-Ray
Post by: billt on November 17, 2010, 03:23:58 PM
"Like most Americans, Steven Cowan has been perplexed by Bristol Palin’s curious ability to keep advancing in TV’s "Dancing with the Stars" competition.
However, unlike other viewers, Cowan, 66, allegedly became so enraged by Palin’s success that he actually fired a shotgun round into his television, triggering a 15-hour standoff with Wisconsin cops."
And you wonder what will happen when a bunch of idiot's try to keep MILLIONS of people from going home on Thanksgiving? Look out world! Bill T.
Title: Re: TSA-Grope Or X-Ray
Post by: billt on November 17, 2010, 03:26:01 PM
"Then Cowan shot his TV before turning the gun on his wife."
Did she vote for Bristol? Bill T.
Title: Re: TSA-Grope Or X-Ray
Post by: billt on November 17, 2010, 03:32:53 PM
If the airlines and hotels around the airports lose half their revenue while we are working with our elected officials it will do far more than telling some one "don't touch my junk."
Tell that to your wife who has just had her crotch and breasts massaged 4 TIMES by a 250 pound government worker with the I.Q. of room temperature. The whole thing is totally insane. Bill T.
Title: Re: TSA-Grope Or X-Ray
Post by: billt on November 17, 2010, 03:35:06 PM
Back to my original argument. None of this will nail Mohammad with his dirt chute packed full of RDX, will it? If these guys pack dead children's bodies with I.E.D.'s to kill our guys, do you think their rear end is off limits when they walk on a plane? These scanners cannot detect plastic. They don't know it from a turd. Neither will the morons on the monitor. Bill T.
Title: Re: TSA-Grope Or X-Ray
Post by: Pathfinder on November 17, 2010, 04:02:37 PM
Back to my original argument. None of this will nail Mohammad with his dirt chute packed full of RDX, will it? If these guys pack dead children's bodies with I.E.D.'s to kill our guys, do you think their rear end is off limits when they walk on a plane? These scanners cannot detect plastic. They don't know it from a turd. Neither will the morons on the monitor. Bill T.
According to MB's podcast this morning, the devices cannot detect the difference between an RPG and a 1" square piece of paper - and the TSA mope copped an attitude when MB asked how that made us all safer!
Title: Re: TSA-Grope Or X-Ray
Post by: Teresa Heilevang on November 17, 2010, 09:00:55 PM
Title: Re: TSA-Grope Or X-Ray
Post by: jp1 on November 17, 2010, 09:08:49 PM
jp1.. I took what you said and posted it on my facebook.. hope that was alright.. if its not.. I'll remove it..
Marshal’ette I’m honored, of course it’s ok. Sharing information with as many people as possible is the best weapon we have, and the best chance to save our Republic.
Title: Re: TSA-Grope Or X-Ray
Post by: billt on November 18, 2010, 03:09:36 AM
Much like Hussein's Presidency, this whole thing is getting worse by the day. There is only one way to be safe in the air, and that is to profile. Based on nothing more than the fact that while not all muslims are terrorists, most all terrorists are in fact muslim. Until we not just recognise this simple fact, but act on it, this kind of silly, stupid, overpriced nonsense will continue. This is yet again a perfect example of how political correctness is destroying this country from within. The world without question has to be laughing at us. Quite frankly, I don't blame them. The entire matter has turned into a really sad, stupid joke. Bill T.
Title: Re: TSA-Grope Or X-Ray
Post by: mortdooley on November 18, 2010, 06:20:02 AM
This policy goes a long way in showing the flying public what the TSA thinks about their rights. Police and Military are instructed not to follow illegal orders, an x-ray or a grope is an illegal search without cause so I feel I have a right to feel violated. I don't agree that the individual employee was just following orders so they escape blame, I know that if asked I couldn't put my hand inside another mans pants and feel up his family package. Where do we draw the line? Some people have no choice but to fly if they are to continue working a job that requires travel and I hope the outrage from the rest of us helps put this BS right.
Title: Re: TSA-Grope Or X-Ray
Post by: Rastus on November 18, 2010, 06:30:47 AM
That's a trap people have been led too! Just abolish the Fed. Don't audit, eliminate!!! Of course that won't happen because it scares the bejeebers out of congressmen who have no idea of how to handle money of which it is their duty to control.
.... #1. Flying is an optional activity that we chose to participate in; #2. If you are going to fly educate yourself, and hold both yourself and others to the standards; #3. Work through the system to correct it - TSA check points are not the place to flex your muscles if they are following the rules; #4. And back to #1, this is not a Right as compared to arms, speech, religion, and not even search because when you buy your ticket you give your consent to a search of yourself and your bags. ...........
Good points.
Anthing less than an 8-10 hour drive I don't fly commercial anymore. I used to fly no less than twice a month and now it's maybe once every two years on commerical flights. Heck, if you have enough people it sometimes makes sense to fly/rent a King Air and it often comes in cheaper without all of the scrutiny. You get to talk to your pilot, fly into downtown airports that are most usually more convenient than large commercial jet type airports. Small airports are often located in the actual city of your destination and not within the region thereby saving car rental and maybe a hotel stay. I found that the people at the small airports are set up to handle really rich people so they are on the whole much more competent; the airports are clean along with perks they offer like free food at some places, free cars for a few hours to take into town in the less populated areas, etc....
People will vote with their feet....walking away from commercial airlines. Lobbyists will get to work and this will go away. I say separate the airport into those who eat and don't eat pork...from the passengers to the mechanics, pilots and baggage holders...everybody. I still remember the little cheesey Palestinian at school who puked when someone opened up a ham sandwich in the room (and he did not see it, he smelled it).
Title: Re: TSA-Grope Or X-Ray
Post by: billt on November 18, 2010, 06:46:17 AM
Another thing Melanie brought up is with all of this pressure and political correctness being brought into the hiring of homosexuals in the workplace in today's society, especially at the government employment levels, who is to say the man or woman feeling you up isn't getting his or her jollies doing it? This is the kind of job that could or would attract a homosexual much like a pedophile to a day care center. Talk about "don't ask don't tell", who the hell would in that position? If that scenario were to be played out, the government would have a huge sexual harassment case on their hands based on nothing more than the fact the person on the job was found out to be a homosexual. Same sex "pat downs" are meaningless if that is the case. You know this is happening based on nothing more than the numbers of TSA employees that are out there. Think about it. What other job is there with the possible exception of someone in the medical profession, where an employee comes into direct physical, sexual contact with someone else on a constant basis, all day, every day? This whole thing is nothing more than a big train wreck just waiting to happen.
Don't think this type of thing isn't happening, or will in today's society. A few months back Mel and I went to a really nice strip club here in town. They were having a really big "Grand Opening" offering 2 for 1 double drinks all afternoon. Melanie thought it would be fun, so we went. The women dancers like to see couples at these places because they know they're "safe" to talk to. We noticed several women were there. Many were by themselves which we both thought was a bit unusual. Mel was talking to one of the girls who stopped by and sat with us during one of her breaks. She told us in most of the places she has worked there are as many or more women hitting on her as men! The world is changing in more ways than you think! 20 years ago a single woman wouldn't be caught dead in a strip club, unless she was working there. Bill T.
Title: Re: TSA-Grope Or X-Ray
Post by: billt on November 18, 2010, 07:16:06 AM
I say separate the airport into those who eat and don't eat pork...from the passengers to the mechanics, pilots and baggage holders...everybody.
That's not a bad idea. Except the P.C. crowd would scream bloody murder, but who cares? The airlines should also serve pork based foods on all of their flights. If we're going to force people to drive, let it be the muslims. They're the ones who caused this whole fiasco to begin with! Bill T.
Title: Re: TSA-Grope Or X-Ray
Post by: Hazcat on November 18, 2010, 07:57:41 AM
Yet another example (courtesy of PhilW)
Airport staff 'exposed woman's breasts, laughed'
A WOMAN is suing over an incident where airport staff allegedly pulled down her top and joked about her breasts in public view.
The 23-year-old traveller, from Amarillo, US, is suing the US Government for the emotional distressed she says the Transportation Security Administration (TSA) agents caused.
The woman says she was singled out for "extended search procedures" while preparing to board a plane to Amarillo in May 2008.
“As the TSA agent was frisking plaintiff, the agent pulled the plaintiff’s blouse completely down, exposing plaintiffs’ breasts to everyone in the area,” the lawsuit said.
“As would be expected, plaintiff was extremely embarrassed and humiliated.”
The lawsuit claims that other employees laughed and made jokes about the incident "for an extended period of time".
The distraught woman left the screening area to be consoled but when she re-entered the boarding area employees allegedly started joking about the matter.
"One male TSA employee expressed to the plaintiff that he wished he would have been there when she came through the first time and that 'he would just have to watch the video,'" the suit said.
She wishes to remain anonymous due to privacy reasons.
Lawyers for the US Government confirm that the woman went through secondary screening but deny airport staff acted inappropriately.
Title: Re: TSA-Grope Or X-Ray
Post by: billt on November 18, 2010, 09:46:16 AM
http://outlivesheep.com/Videos.html?reloaded=true
As usual, Ron Paul has got it right. Bill T.
Title: Re: TSA-Grope Or X-Ray
Post by: JC5123 on November 18, 2010, 05:20:59 PM
I'm just going to pose this question....Why are we only going through all of this crap at the airports? You don't see this kind of security at sporting events, or concerts. I don't want to give them anymore bright ideas, but 50,000 people in a football stadium seem s like a pretty juicy target to me. Much more so than a plane with 300 passengers. ::)
Title: Re: TSA-Grope Or X-Ray
Post by: TAB on November 18, 2010, 05:40:56 PM
I can think of 2 very good reasons.
1 control. you can control 300 peole alot easier then 50k.
2 ammount of XXXX needed. It takes very little exlposives to bring down a plane.
If you are talking about a bio attack, a plane is still a much better target.
longer exposure, you can hit several parts of the country at once, better infection rates... etc etc.
Title: Re: TSA-Grope Or X-Ray
Post by: fightingquaker13 on November 18, 2010, 08:13:00 PM
A WOMAN is suing over an incident where airport staff allegedly pulled down her top and joked about her breasts in public view.
The 23-year-old traveller, from Amarillo, US, is suing the US Government for the emotional distressed she says the Transportation Security Administration (TSA) agents caused.
The woman says she was singled out for "extended search procedures" while preparing to board a plane to Amarillo in May 2008.
“As the TSA agent was frisking plaintiff, the agent pulled the plaintiff’s blouse completely down, exposing plaintiffs’ breasts to everyone in the area,” the lawsuit said.
“As would be expected, plaintiff was extremely embarrassed and humiliated.”
The lawsuit claims that other employees laughed and made jokes about the incident "for an extended period of time".
The distraught woman left the screening area to be consoled but when she re-entered the boarding area employees allegedly started joking about the matter.
"One male TSA employee expressed to the plaintiff that he wished he would have been there when she came through the first time and that 'he would just have to watch the video,'" the suit said.
She wishes to remain anonymous due to privacy reasons.
Lawyers for the US Government confirm that the woman went through secondary screening but deny airport staff acted inappropriately.
God! I'm not a lawyer, but I work for a few. If this is true, any decent ethical civil attorney who wasn't trying to jack up fees by getting you to fight a losing case would say this. "You screwed up, you have the money to pay. Write a check with a non-disclosure agreement and make it go away". Any lawyer who fights this is either a scheister or has a fool for a client. Given its the government? Guess which is the correct option. ::) FQ13
Title: Re: TSA-Grope Or X-Ray
Post by: jaybet on November 19, 2010, 05:32:18 AM
I think we should all fly as much as possible and pop a double dose of Viagra before going to the airport. When they grab your junk you'll sproing up a big 'ol woody then all the burka wearing TSA agents will have to retire since they can't look. It would greatly increase membership in the mile high club too. Another nice touch is to bean up and fart when they touch your junk. This could be fun.
Title: Re: TSA-Grope Or X-Ray
Post by: fightingquaker13 on November 19, 2010, 05:41:01 AM
I think we should all fly as much as possible and pop a double dose of Viagra before going to the airport. When they grab your junk you'll sproing up a big 'ol woody then all the burka wearing TSA agents will have to retire since they can't look. It would greatly increase membership in the mile high club too. Another nice touch is to bean up and fart when they touch your junk. This could be fun.
I have a friend with some rather "unorthodox" piecings. She takes a perverse pleasure at the screenings. She says she loves explaining them (loudly) to the drones at the metal detectors. Her favorite line? "I love the smell of latex gloves. Want to get lucky"? ;D ;D ;D Fq13
Title: Re: TSA-Grope Or X-Ray
Post by: Teresa Heilevang on November 19, 2010, 11:25:05 AM
1: If EVERY air traveler was issued a .45 ACP caliber handgun and a full clip with the boarding pass, everybody would sit quietly, reading a book for the full flight.
2: Why not require that every traveler eat a ham sandwich before boarding?
3:( I swear this will be my niche.. during my pat-down.. .) remember from the Meg Ryan orgasm scene in "When Harry Met Sally"?
1 and 2 would certainly discourage Muslim terrorists, and 3 would discourage the TSA.
The "beaning up"..is a hoot..Marshal could do that with no problem.. LOL
Title: Re: TSA-Grope Or X-Ray
Post by: Hazcat on November 19, 2010, 11:52:31 AM
1: If EVERY air traveler was issued a .45 ACP caliber handgun and a full clip with the boarding pass, everybody would sit quietly, reading a book for the full flight.
2: Why not require that every traveler eat a ham sandwich before boarding?
3:( I swear this will be my niche.. during my pat-down.. .) remember from the Meg Ryan orgasm scene in "When Harry Met Sally"?
1 and 2 would certainly discourage Muslim terrorists, and 3 would discourage the TSA.
The "beaning up"..is a hoot..Marshal could do that with no problem.. LOL
WOMAN! YOU of all people should know the difference!
Title: Re: TSA-Grope Or X-Ray
Post by: jaybet on November 19, 2010, 11:55:38 AM
She was just excited about the whole "beaning up" and standard issue .45.
Title: Re: TSA-Grope Or X-Ray
Post by: Teresa Heilevang on November 19, 2010, 12:13:16 PM
Actually I'm all excited about having a fake orgasm.. Its such great practice.. you know.. when something is good on tv..or my time is being a factor.. LOL
I know~~I'm such a cold hearted bitch.. ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: TSA-Grope Or X-Ray
Post by: ratcatcher55 on November 19, 2010, 12:42:27 PM
I'm at a loss for words there. Also, the article stated that this was a CHARTERED flight. Chartered by the U.S. MILITARY. Just coming out of the sandbox, tired, and ready to be home. I do believe that a buttstroke to the head was warranted here. You can keep that M-240 machine gun, but not the nail clippers. Can someone explain to me how I can hijack an airliner with a pair of nail clippers, cause that's like ninja McGyver stuff there! I think I'll just use this 18 lb club I have instead.
Title: Re: TSA-Grope Or X-Ray
Post by: fightingquaker13 on November 19, 2010, 02:05:20 PM
Actually I'm all excited about having a fake orgasm.. Its such great practice.. you know.. when something is good on tv..or my time is being a factor.. LOL
I know~~I'm such a cold hearted bitch.. ;D ;D ;D
If you're "all excited" is it fake? ;D FQ13
Title: Re: TSA-Grope Or X-Ray
Post by: Teresa Heilevang on November 20, 2010, 01:18:07 AM
Re: Recruitment and training of TSA airport screeners.
It has come to my attention that some of our TSA employees have expressed a certain amount of discomfort with the use of full-body scans and the accompanying "grope the rope" or "press the chest" searches that are mandatory for those opting out of our high-powered (but perfectly safe) X-ray machines. While I appreciate that the use of any new technology may be somewhat disconcerting at first, it is our obligation to make sure that we perform our assigned function flawlessly, without regard for our personal feelings for the manner in which we conduct ourselves on the job.
To expedite this flawless function, I am immediately implementing the following hiring and training policies for our personnel. Please be advised that Attorney General Eric Holder has reviewed these policies and assures me that they are both legal and Constitutional, and that President Obuma has personally expressed to me his full support for these policies.
1) In all future background checks, we will now give preference to individuals who have arrest and/or conviction records for such offenses as indecent exposure, voyeurism and contributing to the delinquency of a minor. It is the finding of our psychology department that these individuals will be far less likely to flinch from performing their required duties while taking nude X-ray pictures and feeling up passengers. Additionally, any individual who has been successfully sued for sexual harassment should be given preference in the hiring process, especially if the harassment in question involved "inappropriate" touching. It is the finding of this office that such individuals have the moxie to do what needs to be done to accomplish our mission. Finally, extra preference should be given to any individual who meets the above criteria AND is sexually oriented towards members of his/her own gender. It is our belief that these individuals will be highly motivated to provide an extra-thorough touch to their job performance.
2) For those screeners who still blanch at doing their duty for their country due to "moral scruples" or other such nonsense, our psychologists have developed a training regimen which they assure me will bring them around in a hurry. These screeners will be required to view no fewer than four (4) consecutive hours of same-sex pornography (the gender of the performers will be the same as the gender of the TSA screener) at least twice a week. It is the view of our psychologists that repeated exposure to this material will, over time, break down these screeners reluctance to "get a grip" on their job duties, and thus improve their performance.
3) As per our previous guidelines, please be aware that the following groups are considered especially dangerous, and should receive extra attention from our new screening procedures: a) U.S. military personnel returning from war zones or headed to war zones. b) Individuals wearing garb readily identifiable as christian clergy. c) Individuals sporting any button, decal, t-shirt, hat, logo, etc. identifying themselves as members of the "Tea Party" movement. d) Elderly or disabled persons using metallic walkers, canes or braces of any sort. e) Boy Scouts.
4) As per previous guidelines, please be aware that any individual wearing readily identifiable Muslim garb is NOT to be subjected to this screening process for ANY reason. This process is, of course, highly objectionable to practitioners of the peaceable religion of Islam, and could well be construed as profiling. Any TSA screener found to have coerced or attempted to coerce any Muslim to submit to these screening procedures is subject to immediate termination and criminal prosecution.
I hope and expect these new recruitment tools and training tips will be of the utmost value in carrying out our ongoing mission. Remember, only you can prevent profiling.
Sincerely,
Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano
Title: Re: TSA-Grope Or X-Ray
Post by: Teresa Heilevang on November 22, 2010, 07:16:43 PM
TSA Searches: Are Trains and Subways Next? Kurt Nimmo Infowars.com November 22, 2010
John Pistole, the TSA boss, has implored activists to rethink their “opt-out” protest this week. Pistole warns that the national protest against naked body scanners and intrusive pat downs at airports would be a mistake and will only serve to “tie up people who want to go home and see their loved ones,” according to the Associated Press.
If John Pistole and the federal government have their way, we may have to opt-out of taking the subway or riding a train in the near future.
“I understand people’s frustrations,” said president Obama from Lisbon over the weekend. Obama said at present naked body scanners and pat down searches bordering on sexual molestation are the best way to prevent Muslims in caves from attacking the American people. Secretary of State Clinton told Meet the Press on Sunday that “everyone, including our security experts, are looking for ways to diminish the impact on the traveling public” and that “striking the right balance is what this is about.”
For now, that “balance” means a near minimum wage TSA worker will fondle your testicles and there is nothing you can do about it. Protesting will only slow down traffic and prevent people from visiting their family and friends.
Obama and Clinton expect you to bite the bullet and accept what amounts to sexual molestation in order to board a commercial airplane in the United States. Pistole said it really is not a big deal because “a very small percent” of people are subject to the process of submission and humiliation.
If past comments made by Mr. Pistole are any indicator, however, the government would like to see naked body scanners and intrusive pat downs expand from airports to train stations and subway platforms.
Soon after taking over the TSA earlier this year, the former FBI deputy director Pistole told USA Today that he will work to expand airport Gestapo zones. “Protecting riders on mass-transit systems from terrorist attacks will be as high a priority as ensuring safe air travel, the new head of the Transportation Security Administration promises,” the newspaper reported on July 17.
“Given the list of threats on subways and rails over the last six years going on seven years, we know that some terrorist groups see rail and subways as being more vulnerable because there’s not the type of screening that you find in aviation,” Pistole said. “From my perspective, that is an equally important threat area.”
In addition, Pistole said he would like to see TSA workers, including 47,000 screeners at 450 airports, to operate as a “national-security, counterterrorism organization, fully integrated into U.S. government efforts.” He wants to “take TSA to the next level.”
Earlier this month, the TSA implemented the “enhanced” security procedures that are now coming under fire and have resulted in countless people refusing to fly and the roll out of the national opt-out campaign that will commence on November 24 across the country.
If John Pistole and the federal government have their way, we may have to opt-out of taking the subway or riding a train in the near future.
It may not be long before you are forced through a naked body scanner or obliged to have your genitals groped in order to visit the local market to buy food and necessities. Considering the trajectory the TSA and the government are on, you may have to submit to a body cavity search at the local mall.
The Pentagon and local law enforcement are ahead of the curve. “As the privacy controversy around full-body security scans begins to simmer, it’s worth noting that courthouses and airport security checkpoints aren’t the only places where backscatter x-ray vision is being deployed. The same technology, capable of seeing through clothes and walls, has also been rolling out on U.S. Streets,” Andy Greenberg wrote for Forbes in August. “While the biggest buyer of AS&E’s [roving x-ay] machines over the last seven years has been the Department of Defense operations in Afghanistan and Iraq, Reiss says law enforcement agencies have also deployed the vans to search for vehicle-based bombs in the U.S.”
There are few if any “vehicle-based bombs” on U.S. roads, not that this fact has prevented the government from claiming it is a threat. The DHS released a memo “stating that terrorists may try to kill innocent women, children and men in the United States by hiding IEDs in luggage left at airports,” Fox News reported not long after patsy and barbeque grill gas canister non-bomber Faisal Shahzad was arrested.
For anyone in denial, consider that the TSA has already beta tested searching Greyhound bus terminals in Florida. In 2005, the agency used the Madrid bombings as an excuse to train officers to use bomb sniffing dogs in mass transit stations. “The agency’s broader role overseeing all forms of public transportation and the increased terrorist threat to mass transit indicated by train bombings in Madrid and London have caused the canine program to expand significantly in recent years, the TSA’s Web site reports,” according to the U.S. Air Force.
As early as 2005, teams of undercover air marshals and uniformed law enforcement officers swamped bus and train stations, ferries, and mass transit facilities across the country. The TSA dubbed the paramilitary effort “Viper,” short for “Visible Intermodal Protection and Response” teams. The TSA has been beta-testing a federal takeover of all transportation which constitutes a huge violation the ten amendment in spades.
Finally, the Department of Homeland Security has developed FAST, or Future Attribute Screening Technology, to detect “hostile thoughts” by screening people at airports and special events. See the video below. The technology is like something out of a Philip K. Dick short story.
Fake ... I could swear that I heard you tell Marshal that you never fake anything ;)
Yeah? Well.. you~ like most men~ wouldn't know "fake" if it bit you on the ass.. :-*
Title: Re: TSA-Grope Or X-Ray
Post by: PegLeg45 on November 22, 2010, 07:41:16 PM
A great alternative to body scanners at airports . . .
The Israelis are developing an airport security device that eliminates the privacy concerns that come with full-body scanners at the airports.
It’s a booth you can step into that will not X-ray you, but will detonate any explosive device you may have on you. They see this as a win-win for everyone, with none of this crap about racial profiling. It also would eliminate the costs of a long and expensive trial. Justice would be swift. Case closed!
You're in the airport terminal and you hear a muffled explosion. Shortly thereafter an announcement comes over the PA system . . . "Attention standby passengers — we now have a seat available on flight number 1243. Shalom!"
Title: Re: TSA-Grope Or X-Ray
Post by: MikeBjerum on November 22, 2010, 08:37:15 PM
Yeah? Well.. you~ like most men~ wouldn't know "fake" if it bit you on the ass.. :-*
Most guys don't care.
There are things that happen, that you can't fake, just most guys have no idea or are not paying attention.
Title: Re: TSA-Grope Or X-Ray
Post by: Teresa Heilevang on November 22, 2010, 08:50:19 PM
I know that.... on all levels...... :)
Title: Re: TSA-Grope Or X-Ray
Post by: billt on November 22, 2010, 10:00:36 PM
The true sickness isn't in the people doing it. Much like the Nazi's, they were simply mindless robots doing what they were told. The true sickness are the people who didn't even raise their voice in opposition. Remember who voted for Hussein...... They're still out there wondering who to vote for next.... Bill T.
Title: Re: TSA-Grope Or X-Ray
Post by: SwoopSJ on November 23, 2010, 12:56:02 AM
The Israelis are developing an airport security device that eliminates the privacy concerns that come with full-body scanners at the airports. It’s a booth you can step into that will not X-ray you, but will detonate any explosive device you may have on you.
Now that would be AWESOME! They could sell tickets for seating within view of the booth. Flight delayed, no problem! Stick around and enjoy the show! Heck, I'd buy a ticket.
Swoop
Title: Re: TSA-Grope Or X-Ray
Post by: tombogan03884 on November 23, 2010, 01:33:57 AM
The true sickness isn't in the people doing it. Much like the Nazi's, they were simply mindless robots doing what they were told. The true sickness are the people who didn't even raise their voice in opposition. Remember who voted for Hussein...... They're still out there wondering who to vote for next.... Bill T.
Sounds like you need a ride on this cattle car citizen. It's heading East.
Title: Re: TSA-Grope Or X-Ray
Post by: JC5123 on November 23, 2010, 08:59:31 AM
Returning back on topic for a moment. (Sorry to interrupt)
Assuming that TSA starts checking people at bus and train and subway stations. Does anyone wonder what's going to happen the first time they "frisk" someone and find a legal CCW in a LEGAL situation? Last I checked CCW is not illegal on most inner city mass transit. So someone who is just doing what they have always done is going to get completely run through the ringer for doing something that is completely legal.
Any bets that the blue shirt (hmm I wonder why blue, what other socialist organization is fond of baby blue ::) ) that pads him down over reacts and tazes the poor guy?
Title: Re: TSA-Grope Or X-Ray
Post by: tombogan03884 on November 23, 2010, 11:26:02 AM
In most inner cities these chumps would last until about 20 minutes after the locals found out all that scanner equipment could be resold, Then they would get robbed blind ;D
Title: Re: TSA-Grope Or X-Ray
Post by: TAB on November 23, 2010, 01:43:08 PM
as I've already posted in this thread, amtrack and gray hound have a no fire arms policy, this includes checked bags.
Most mastransit have no gun policy as well.
So what could happen to you is going to depend on the state/federal laws. If make it on to a train with a gun, I could very easliy see you being charged with tresspassing in federal court, which is a felony btw.( its a very old law)
Title: Re: TSA-Grope Or X-Ray
Post by: JC5123 on November 23, 2010, 02:00:22 PM
as I've already posted in this thread, amtrack and gray hound have a no fire arms policy, this includes checked bags.
Most mastransit have no gun policy as well.
So what could happen to you is going to depend on the state/federal laws. If make it on to a train with a gun, I could very easliy see you being charged with tresspassing in federal court, which is a felony btw.( its a very old law)
Remember though that in many states, (CO, WY, UT) That new castle doctrine laws override many of these old policies. States that have pulled their heads out are recognizing peoples RIGHT to self defense. Some are even starting to understand that the reason that this right was granted us in the constitution is so that the government CAN'T tell us where and when it's ok.
I understand what you are saying, BUT this will probably be one of the next battles. Based on recent SCOTUS rulings.
Basically, if the constitution allows me the right to defend myself, (and the supreme court has said this) then the government has no authority to restrict WHERE that right is applicable.
Title: Re: TSA-Grope Or X-Ray
Post by: TAB on November 23, 2010, 02:08:41 PM
State law can not override federal law.
The rail roads have thier own police force, they don't need to call the local cops to arrest you.
The SC said you have the right to defend yourself and have a gun in the home at the read to do that. It said nothing about outside the home. I doubt they ever will as it would be very hard to do with the diffrent state laws on carry.
THe goverment can and does restrict where you can carry a gun. Atleast inregaurds to federal property and federally regulated industrys.
If a case went to the SC over the right to carry a gun any where and a shop owners right to restrict what comes into thier store. Neither side would like the verdict I can assure.
Title: Re: TSA-Grope Or X-Ray
Post by: JC5123 on November 23, 2010, 02:32:16 PM
The rail roads have thier own police force, they don't need to call the local cops to arrest you.
The SC said you have the right to defend yourself and have a gun in the home at the read to do that. It said nothing about outside the home. I doubt they ever will as it would be very hard to do with the diffrent state laws on carry.
THe goverment can and does restrict where you can carry a gun. Atleast inregaurds to federal property and federally regulated industrys.
If a case went to the SC over the right to carry a gun any where and a shop owners right to restrict what comes into thier store. Neither side would like the verdict I can assure.
That's a different issue. That is personal property rights. And those do trump my rights if I choose to be there.
FEDERAL property on the other hand is owned by the citizens. You and me. The government, who are simply stewards of that property have no authority (based on our constitution) to restrict my rights on property that belongs to the CITIZENS of the United States.
You can start trying to make exceptions all you want, but that is exactly what got us to this point in the first place.
Title: Re: TSA-Grope Or X-Ray
Post by: Teresa Heilevang on November 24, 2010, 12:56:14 AM
Title: Re: TSA-Grope Or X-Ray
Post by: Teresa Heilevang on November 24, 2010, 01:07:20 AM
The next time they tell you that they can't see you naked, watch this and then tell me that!
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This website is something to look at.. Flying Pasties™ are NOT your typical 'Pasty' or 'sticker', they are reusable - and can obscure your private areas when you pass through airport scanners. No adhesive necessary as they simply slip into your clothing!
http://flyingpasties.com/
Title: Re: TSA-Grope Or X-Ray
Post by: fightingquaker13 on November 24, 2010, 01:08:28 AM
Amazing how the man makes sense. If only he ran for President. Oh, yeah, he did, twice. :P A bit crazy on some issues, but Lord I wish he defined the terms of the debate. FQ13
Title: Re: TSA-Grope Or X-Ray
Post by: Big Frank on November 24, 2010, 03:35:24 AM
Title: Re: TSA-Grope Or X-Ray
Post by: tt11758 on November 24, 2010, 07:06:09 AM
btw, I'm sure the fact that this girl is SMOKIN hot had NOTHING to do with her being "frisked".
Title: Re: TSA-Grope Or X-Ray
Post by: mortdooley on November 24, 2010, 08:06:14 AM
Ron Paul is the kind of man who should be President, he was marginalized by the media during the Primary debates because he would damage the insider network. Airport security is a joke as well as an insult and now they have pushed the flying public to prove they prefer false safety over real liberty. I fly as a casual traveler so none of my flights are necessary and I will not pass through this level of intrusion. The convenience of moving from Texas to Florida in 2 hours has been replaced with the insult of radiation in the nudie scope and/or molestation.
Title: Re: TSA-Grope Or X-Ray
Post by: tombogan03884 on November 24, 2010, 09:36:19 AM
Maybe I'll start flying, closest I've been to being groped lately involved a catheter. ;D
Title: Re: TSA-Grope Or X-Ray
Post by: tt11758 on November 24, 2010, 12:40:38 PM