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Member Section => Down Range Cafe => Topic started by: ellis4538 on November 20, 2010, 04:40:50 PM
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Don't know if anyone is planning to attend the NRA convention in Pittsburg, PA. next year but I thought I'd post this FWIW. For those who live in states that don't have reciprocity with PA it is easy and painless and inexpensive to get an out of state CCW license on line. Go to Centre County, PA and work your way into the site with the app. and go from there. No photo necessary. Sorry, I don't have a link...maybe someone can post it. "Reason To Carry" is , naturally, Self-Defense.
Hope this helps and hope to be there myself to meet some of you.
Richard Ellis4538
PS: Don't forget to check out the rules and regs while there.
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I'm not meaning to pry open a can-o-worms with this comment, and I hope it doesn't happen but I wouldn't be surprised if this doesn't go wrong on here -
What are the carry rules going to be at the convention center or arena where the convention will be held?
I'm hoping that NRA will have learned from past experience to put a heavier emphasis on this when they negotiate, but ...
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Don't feel bad. that is good to know. Maybe someone that has been to the NRA Convention lately can chime in.
Richard
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What can and can not happen at the convention center is going to depend on 3 groups:
1 State/local law
2 the convention centers rules.
3 the insurance carrier for the event.
If any of those 3 say you can't, then you can't.
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Went to Charlotte, for the NRA Convention in May of this year. NC is a very "pro-gun" state, even open carry. (I lived in NC for 20 years,) HOWEVER, the Convention Center is owned by the City Of Charlotte, hence Gov't property, ergo, NO Carry. They did not have signs posted, and I carried my Kershaw knife with pocket "clip", as I do everyday. Very little Police presence. No issues.
However, there was NO metal detectors, wanding, TSA "pat downs", etc,.... Somehow, I have a "gut" feeling "some" were carrying concealed.
PA, may be different, but TAB has covered the spectrum. The guns at the convention, unlike most gun shows, are not tie-wrapped, or tethered. You always love the sound at a booth when everyone is racking the slide, working the action, or cocking the hammers.
Yet, I could have walked in with a pocket full of M+P mags, grabbed one off the display, and made a mess of things. Judging by the crowd, this would have only been for a few seconds, before one would have been shot/ bum rushed, and disarmed, probably fatally. The NRA makes an attempt to NOT seem restrictive, but have to abide by local and state laws.
Now for the Freedom Rally, Glenn Beck, Ollie North, Sarah Palin, Chuck Norris, there was more security. But for the Ted Nugent Luncheon, Ted brought his guitar, and two AR's on stage, with mags, and replied:
"I don't believe in "gun free" zones,..... ;D
I'm sure some PA residents here can provide the local info. That's just my two cents from the Charlotte Event.
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I was also at the Charlotte convention and although guns were everywhere I noticed firing pins were removed. Some may not have been altered but I don't remember seeing intact firearms.
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What can and can not happen at the convention center is going to depend on 3 groups:
1 State/local law
2 the convention centers rules.
3 the insurance carrier for the event.
If any of those 3 say you can't, then you can't.
#1 - They look at before they choose the city and state;
#2 & 3 - They negotiate as a part of the contract to hold there.
If the NRA learned from the past they will have negotiated that carry is allowed!
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I was also at the Charlotte convention and although guns were everywhere I noticed firing pins were removed. Some may not have been altered but I don't remember seeing intact firearms.
That is standard for all trade shows regardless of locale.
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That is standard for all trade shows regardless of locale.
as it should be.
there are just too many crazy people in this world.
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as it should be.
there are just too many crazy people in this world.
Every once in a while I forget about why you belong where you are, and then you post something like this ???
Should they pull the engines out of cars at industry shows, should they remove the blades of knives at restaurant conventions, should they remove the death and resurrection of Jesus from the Bible at book conventions? These are all items that have been deemed dangerous by either scientific research or emotions of different groups.
If things are as bad in this country as you suggest, why don't we require the use of "blue" guns at conventions. They will give you the same grip and weight feel as a real one, and then we don't have to worry about someone that has figured out that you can buy firing pins and magazines through regular markets.
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There is a big diffrence between a car, knife and a gun.
Take the keys out of a car and the chances of it hurting anyone go way down.
A kife is a contact weapon, you can't say kill some one from across the convention floor with it.
lets just play the what if game. lets just say I'm nuts, I go to this convention where I can freely pick up a gun, there is no zip tie, no teather, no modifcation to the gun in anyway. If I were to grab a semi auto rifle, say a ar or ak, and I have a loaded mag on my person. What do you think the chances of some one stoping me from loading the gun, and firing all 30 shots into the crowd?
And before you say this type of thing does not happen. It damn well has happen. Not the NRA convention mind you, but other places.
I know I've told all of you about the hardware store that use to sell guns when I was a kid by my house. How a guy stole a bullet, asked to see a 44 and blew his brains out. now granted he didn't go shooting into a crowd, but he could just have easliy turned it on the shop owner and killed him.
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I hate to say it, but this time TAB actually has a point, How many stories have we heard of some one going to a range, renting a gun and killing themselves, some of YOU shoot at the range where the mother killed her kid and herself last summer.
Personally, I'll take my chances, but he is presenting a valid argument.
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Why wouldn't a nut job just carry the gun in rather than trying to match mags and/or ammo?
Oh wait a minute, that is exactly what most whack jobs do!
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Why wouldn't a nut job just carry the gun in rather than trying to match mags and/or ammo?
Oh wait a minute, that is exactly what most whack jobs do!
If they were going to do the sensible thing they would not be whack jobs, and they would not be bent on killing themselves or a bunch of absolute strangers.
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Why wouldn't a nut job just carry the gun in rather than trying to match mags and/or ammo?
Oh wait a minute, that is exactly what most whack jobs do!
Its all about state of mind.
Like it or not there are some very sick people in this world.
Last time I checked, its pretty hard to sneak a long gun into some where, but its very easy to sneak in a mag or ammo.
Some one could do like what happen in that hardware store. Only they would bringhte ammo in.
even if they had metal dectors. no one would think twice about a guy with a bullet key chain.
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Its all about state of mind.
Like it or not there are some very sick people in this world.
Last time I checked, its pretty hard to sneak a long gun into some where, but its very easy to sneak in a mag or ammo.
Some one could do like what happen in that hardware store. Only they would bringhte ammo in.
even if they had metal dectors. no one would think twice about a guy with a bullet key chain.
Again TAB has a valid point no one WOULD think twice about a guy with a bullet key chain, especially since the chain part REPLACES THE PRIMER
You should have quit while you were ahead TAB, now you're just being ridiculous
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Some of the long guns had firing pins removed, as well as, some pistols where removal is easily facilitated. Some Remington, S&W, especially revolvers, Glocks, (I field stripped a G21 for my son), was completely intact.
Looking back, I could have easily walked into Charlotte with two or three high cap handguns under my shirt and jeans. Char-Meck LEO's were around, but would have been reactionary to someone deciding to let loose.
Instead we had to side step some 3 or 4 protesters laying on the sidewalk from the Brady Bunch. They were representing "all" the meaningless deaths from firearms....I think I still saw a guy in a #3 Earnhardt shirt throw his gum at them... ::)
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Some of the long guns had firing pins removed, as well as, some pistols where removal is easily facilitated. Some Remington, S&W, especially revolvers, Glocks, (I field stripped a G21 for my son), was completely intact.
Looking back, I could have easily walked into Charlotte with two or three high cap handguns under my shirt and jeans. Char-Meck LEO's were around, but would have been reactionary to someone deciding to let loose.
Instead we had to side step some 3 or 4 protesters laying on the sidewalk from the Brady Bunch. They were representing "all" the meaningless deaths from firearms....I think I still saw a guy in a #3 Earnhardt shirt throw his gum at them... ::)
No you didn't.
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Would this face lie??? ::)
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Would this face lie??? ::)
you really want me to answer that?
;D
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had I a 30rd mag. this lovely, would have been a whole lot of trouble. that is No lie.
For the record, I didn't throw the gum at the Brady Bunch, it was my partner in crime...and that's my story and I'm sticking to it. ;D
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had I a 30rd mag. this lovely, would have been a whole lot of trouble. that is No lie.
For the record, I didn't throw the gum at the Brady Bunch, it was my partner in crime...and that's my story and I'm sticking to it. ;D
Don't sweat it. It'll give 'em a "war story". How they were attacked and assaulted by gun toting thugs and survived. Hell, if he buys the weed and finds a dumb enough girl (not hard amongst Brady protestors) he might even get laid over the incident. Hell, he owes you one. ;D
FQ13
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TW, you mistake my meaning, I don't doubt the brady asshats were lying there, I saying you didn't have to step around them.
Makes you wish you were wearing Ice creepers ;D
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I too saw the protesters and it was a non-event and a little sad, they probably all rode together. One 20something tall skinny blonde leader with 5 or 6 overweight young black followers. Someone came up to me and complained about the little gathering and I told him it was their right to free speech and they could act stupid as they wanted. By the way I have pictures, I even considered asking if I could be in a picture with them.
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As a licensed funeral professional and an instructor of all things OSHA and Bloodborne Pathogen, I would have found it necessary to place them in body bags ;D
We are now marketing a really cool one that does not zip shut - it hermetically seals. Air tight, strong enough that we make pillows out of them and I put my fat 300# on them without busting them, and very discrete for use in public. Nice way to conceal Brady members rotting on the sidewalk ;D
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We were thinking about having a party when the convention comes to Pgh. We live about 30 miles north of the city. All my DRTV friends (and FQ ;) ) would be invited, of course.
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We were thinking about having a party when the convention comes to Pgh. We live about 30 miles north of the city. All my DRTV friends (and FQ ;) ) would be invited, of course.
All we need is an address and we will bring the corner with us! ;D
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We were thinking about having a party when the convention comes to Pgh. We live about 30 miles north of the city. All my DRTV friends (and FQ ;) ) would be invited, of course.
Those of us foregoing the corner to attend your party request you have this installed prior to our arrival
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Those of us foregoing the corner to attend your party request you have this installed prior to our arrival
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Don't bother, it will not hold you up m58. ;D
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Those of us foregoing the corner to attend your party request you have this installed prior to our arrival
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I love how it says it's a "commercial grade" stripper pole. That's important.
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Don't bother, it will not hold you up m58. ;D
Tom - Even I have learned the meaning of "spectator sport" ;)
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Those of us foregoing the corner to attend your party request you have this installed prior to our arrival
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I know a better supplier... Remodling strip clubs is fun. Make sure you wear gloves, but its fun.
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We were thinking about having a party when the convention comes to Pgh. We live about 30 miles north of the city. All my DRTV friends (and FQ ;) ) would be invited, of course.
Don't you need a blond female mild mannered chaperon? ;)
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Don't you need a blond female mild mannered chaperon? ;)
Did you have someone in mind? ;D
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Don't you need a blond female mild mannered chaperon? ;)
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Don't you need a blond female mild mannered chaperon? ;)
Does she bring her own pole?
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*inserts youtube video of blond falling on her face while pole dancing.*
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Don't you need a blond female mild mannered chaperon? ;)
I've got one, thanks. But you can come, too!
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LOL~~~ It sounds like fun.. I'm sure I will get to meet some of you on the floor.. but sometimes it is nice to be able to do something afterwards.. But NRA..Shot Sohow is hateful when it comes to us being able to keep a schedule.. We have a great plan when we walk in the door.. 15 minutes later it has been blown all to hell and we are winging it.. So I never know what is on the agenda from one minute to the next.
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LOL~~~ It sounds like fun.. I'm sure I will get to meet some of you on the floor.. but sometimes it is nice to be able to do something afterwards.. But NRA..Shot Sohow is hateful when it comes to us being able to keep a schedule.. We have a great plan when we walk in the door.. 15 minutes later it has been blown all to hell and we are winging it.. So I never know what is on the agenda from one minute to the next.
A normal day for you in other words ;D
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LOL~~~ It sounds like fun.. I'm sure I will get to meet some of you on the floor.. but sometimes it is nice to be able to do something afterwards.. But NRA..Shot Sohow is hateful when it comes to us being able to keep a schedule.. We have a great plan when we walk in the door.. 15 minutes later it has been blown all to hell and we are winging it.. So I never know what is on the agenda from one minute to the next.
We're not even sure we're having the party yet. If we were, though, what kind of adult beverages would we need to procure for the evening?
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We're not even sure we're having the party yet. If we were, though, what kind of adult beverages would we need to procure for the evening?
All of them? ;D
FQ13
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All of them? ;D
FQ13
Somebody's invitation is slipping awayyyyyyyyyyy. ;D
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the 3 js should cover it.
jack, johnny and jose.
;D
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the 3 js should cover it.
jack, johnny and jose.
;D
Wow! I would think that with your taste in avatars you would have better taste in liquor...... ::) ;D
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Somebody's invitation is slipping awayyyyyyyyyyy. ;D
Is Jefferies on RT 8 in Richland still there?
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General rule of thumb? Acceptable beer (Bud for a crowd, micro brews if its small, or just grab a keg), Bourban, vodka and rum (in the iguana lattitudes) and tequila if you don't like your furniture that much. ;D
FQ13
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General rule of thumb? Acceptable beer (Bud for a crowd, micro brews if its small, or just grab a keg), Bourban, vodka and rum (in the iguana lattitudes) and tequila if you don't like your furniture that much. ;D
FQ13
Philistine! Barbarian!
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Philistine! Barbarian!
Beat me to it..... ;D
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Bombay Sapphire Gin orTanqueray Gin and some olives... ;D
You can have your beer and Jack~~
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I SAID a crowd. I'm not buying Guiness or Anchor Steam for 50. ;)
FQ13
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Philistine! Barbarian!
For kegs number 3 & 4 nobody knows the difference ... except the banker ;D
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Wow! I would think that with your taste in avatars you would have better taste in liquor...... ::) ;D
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Gotta agree with that...
Jack AIN'T Bourbon, Johnny is BLENDED and Jose is towards the bottom of the barrel where Tequila is concerned...
;)
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Wow! I would think that with your taste in avatars you would have better taste in liquor...... ::) ;D
I never said which johnny... ;) Yes it is bleneded, The good single malts are for sipping not partying.
I don't drink takillya anymore. I learned not to trust that stuff years ago.
Jack is just a staple, not the best, and I like. my fav is diping fig newtons in it. Long story, don't ask.
Now if we could find some cyclone... its a takillya spiked rum with citrus. its deadly. Then again I have several great recipes for diffrent LPR( liquid pantie remover) and jello shots, but I think the group might be a little too old for that type of thing.
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My local packy has a bottle (fifth or 750ml) of JW Blue for about 200 bucks....tad steep for me!
I can get a fifth of 12 year old MaCallan or Glenfiddich for under 50.....heck....I bought some 15 year Glenfiddich for 44 bucks a couple of months ago.....nice spicy little sipping whiskey..
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It ain't a party unless the Hazaritas are flowing and the blond is frolicking nekkid in a hotel fountain. ;D
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It ain't a party unless the Hazaritas are flowing and the blond is frolicking nekkid in a hotel fountain. ;D
Don't we have a couple of blonds? ;D
Hey I haven't been in the corner for awhile, my chair misses me.....
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Don't we have a couple of blonds? ;D
Hey I haven't been in the corner for awhile, my chair misses me.....
Probably. But only one with a history of nekkid fountain frolicking. ;D
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Wild Turkey, Rare Breed if you please. :D
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Probably. But only one with a history of nekkid fountain frolicking. ;D
My "history" needs to stay just that... History! I don't need to create more history.. haha
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Wild Turkey, Rare Breed if you please. :D
ok funny wild turkey story. when I was working for a industrial painter, we had to paint these cilos out in the middle of no where.
There are about 15 of us in this little tiny red neck bar in walks this wild turkey rep. He is talking to the owner... one of the locals walks up and makes a bet that he can make a turkey call out of a condom. THe rep expects the bet. the guy does it, sounds just like a turkey. Man the wild turkey flowed that place that night...
I've not had wild turkey since and I don't want too.
:o
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My "history" needs to stay just that... History! I don't need to create more history.. haha
I don't know...from what I understand of the educational systems these days, history morphs....so you never know how the story is gonna be told.
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Thread drift, but we're so good at it,....IMHO, the only good Bourbon, comes from Kentucky, and has a cork....The rest is just whiskey.
Woodford Reserve,...comes to mind,...on the rocks...Sippin' not shots, as it was intended.
plus it makes great Bourbon Balls, and Egg Nog,...(for the Holidays),..... ::)
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Is Jefferies on RT 8 in Richland still there?
Since I don't know what that is...I'm going to have to pass. Next question, please. :)
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Thread drift, but we're so good at it,....IMHO, the only good Bourbon, comes from Kentucky, and has a cork....The rest is just whiskey.
Woodford Reserve,...comes to mind,...on the rocks...Sippin' not shots, as it was intended.
plus it makes great Bourbon Balls, and Egg Nog,...(for the Holidays),..... ::)
You said "Boubon Balls." ;D :o ;D :o
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Since I don't know what that is...I'm going to have to pass. Next question, please. :)
OK, have you realized the dangers of thinking out loud when it comes to booze, guns and this crew ;D
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Thread drift, but we're so good at it,....IMHO, the only good Bourbon, comes from Kentucky, and has a cork....The rest is just whiskey.
Woodford Reserve,...comes to mind,...on the rocks...Sippin' not shots, as it was intended.
plus it makes great Bourbon Balls, and Egg Nog,...(for the Holidays),..... ::)
Thread drift ... Hell, this is thread abandonment!
Do you think even ellis can remember what this started as ;D
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Thread drift ... Hell, this is thread abandonment!
Do you think even ellis can remember what this started as ;D
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OK, have you realized the dangers of thinking out loud when it comes to booze, guns and this crew ;D
Yes. Now let me see, you people want Jack, Johnny, Jose, Bud, some microbrews, bourban, vodka, rum, tequilla, Bombay Sapphire, Tanqueray, Guiness, Anchor Steam, cyclone, JW Blue, McCallan, Glenfiddich, hazaritas, Wild Turkey Rare Breed, Woodford Reserve, and some olives. Does that about sum it up?
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Thread drift ... Hell, this is thread abandonment!
Do you think even ellis can remember what this started as ;D
A booze convention in CounterClockWise, Pennsylvania?
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I'm restocking the corner as we post,.....HOWEVER, NO JAEGER BOMBS TILL NEW YEARS EVE!!!!!! The stain from last year still won't come up.... ::)
Let it be known, that DRTV has expensive tastes,....Haz will have to work overtime, with the home brew, to keep up,... ;)
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How about some "Rebel Yell"... :o
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How about some "Rebel Yell"... :o
I'll drink to that.
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Since I don't know what that is...I'm going to have to pass. Next question, please. :)
It's a beer distributor. Used to throw a great party on the fourth every year.
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What about a 20 gal. tub with some fruit chopped up and half full of punch then every one dumps in a fifth of thier favorite what ever. AKA a Hairy Buffalo. ;D
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It's a beer distributor. Used to throw a great party on the fourth every year.
I see. I'll have to see if they're still in business.
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Bombay Sapphire Gin orTanqueray Gin and some olives... ;D
You can have your beer and Jack~~
Ohhh, never mind.
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What about a 20 gal. tub with some fruit chopped up and half full of punch then every one dumps in a fifth of thier favorite what ever. AKA a Hairy Buffalo. ;D
We used to call it the Purple Jesus.
Take 1 garbage can
add grape Kool aid and water
add ice
add several bottles of everclear
add chooped and squeezed oranges etc
add 15 or so teenagers
(then add the mayhem guy from the Allstate commercials :-[ 8))
Ahhh, youth! :-[
FQ13 ;D
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Since it's teenagers, does the GC need to bee clean?
Sorry!
Richard
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Since it's teenagers, does the GC need to bee clean?
Sorry!
Richard
Nah ... Alcohol is a disinfectant ;D
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So...who is planning on going to the convention? I just made hotel reservations downtown for the wife and myself. We wanted to have a party for DRTV friends, but we live too far away to expect any of you to come. I lucked out and found a room for us on Saturday night, so if anyone wants to meet at a bar or restaurant Saturday after the show that would be outstanding.
As an fyi, I don't really know any places that are good in downtown Pgh. Yes, I live 30 miles away, but I spend more time in NYC than Pittsburgh. I do, however, have friends that can recommend some places. ;D
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BAC, trying to talk the wife into going. We Live in Ravenna, Ohio...just East of Kent. It's about a 2 hour drive so we probably will stay overnight. Hope to see the 3 M's there.
Richard
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Planning on going which means I need to start looking for a place to stay.
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Thanks to Big Sis and the TSA I have no reasonable way to get there and back in a timely manner. It will be the first one I missed in four years, my next one will be Houston.
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Planning on going which means I need to start looking for a place to stay.
We were able to get a room at the Cambria Suites by the Consol Energy Center. It just opened and was the only downtown hotel that showed any availability. I just Google-mapped it and it's a .7 mile walk from the convention center.
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Remember, there are plenty of hotel/motel around the Youngstown area which isn't more than about an 1-1/2 hour drive.
Check with the AAA travel guide and you should find accommodations all along route 80...even the Cleveland area is only about 100 miles away.. If I go, I'll being staying with friends in Lorain, west of Cleveland.
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Remember, there are plenty of hotel/motel around the Youngstown area which isn't more than about an 1-1/2 hour drive.
Check with the AAA travel guide and you should find accommodations all along route 80...even the Cleveland area is only about 100 miles away.. If I go, I'll being staying with friends in Lorain, west of Cleveland.
There are plenty of hotels available outside the city, the ones downtown are pretty much booked.