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Member Section => Down Range Cafe => Topic started by: Hazcat on December 01, 2010, 07:43:14 AM
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Written by Ernesto on November 30, 2010
The domain seizures by the United States authorities in recent days and upcoming legislation that could make similar takeovers even easier in the future, have inspired a group of enthusiasts to come up with a new, decentralized and BitTorrent-powered DNS system. This system will exchange DNS information through peer-to-peer transfers and will work with a new .p2p domain extension.
dot-p2pIn a direct response to the domain seizures by US authorities during the last few days, a group of established enthusiasts have started working on a DNS system that can’t be touched by any governmental institution.
Ironically, considering the seizure of the Torrent-Finder meta-search engine domain, the new DNS system will be partly powered by BitTorrent.
In recent months, global anti-piracy efforts have increasingly focused on seizing domains of allegedly infringing sites. In the United States the proposed COICA bill is explicitly aimed at increasing the government’s censorship powers, but seizing a domain name is already quite easy, as illustrated by ICE and Department of Justice actions last weekend and earlier this year.
For governments it is apparently quite easy to take over the DNS entries of domains, not least because several top level domains are managed by US-based corporations such as VeriSign, who work closely together with the US Department of Commerce. According to some, this setup is a threat to the open internet.
To limit the power governments have over domain names, a group of enthusiasts has started working on a revolutionary system that can not be influenced by a government institution, or taken down by pulling the plug on a central server. Instead, it is distributed by the people, with help from a BitTorrent-based application that people install on their computer.
According to the project’s website, the goal is to “create an application that runs as a service and hooks into the hosts DNS system to catch all requests to the .p2p TLD while passing all other request cleanly through. Requests for the .p2p TLD will be redirected to a locally hosted DNS database.”
“By creating a .p2p TLD that is totally decentralized and that does not rely on ICANN or any ISP’s DNS service, and by having this application mimic force-encrypted BitTorrent traffic, there will be a way to start combating DNS level based censoring like the new US proposals as well as those systems in use in countries around the world including China and Iran amongst others.”
The Dot-P2P project was literally started a few days ago, but already the developers are making great progress. It is expected that a beta version of the client can be released relatively shortly, a team member assured TorrentFreak.
The project has been embraced by many familiar names in the P2P-community. Former Pirate Bay spokesman Peter Sunde is among them, and the people from EZTV have been promoting it as well.
“For me it’s mostly to scare back. To show that if they try anything, we have weapons of making it harder for them to abuse it. If they then back down, we win,” Peter Sunde told TorrentFreak in a comment.
Although the initiators of the project are still debating on various technical issues on how the system should function, it seems that the administrative part has been thought out. The .p2p domain registration will be handled by OpenNIC, an alternative community based DNS network. OpenNIC also maintains the .geek, .free, .null and several other top level domains.
On the other hand, there are also voices that are for distributed domain registration, which would keep the system entirely decentralized.
The domain registrations will be totally free, but registrants will have to show that they own a similar domain with a different extension first, to prevent scammers from taking over a brand.
The new P2P-based DNS system will require users to run an application on their own computer before they can access the domains, but there are also plans to create a separate root-server (like OpenNIC) as a complimentary service. It’s worth noting that the DNS changes will only affect the new .p2p domains, it will not interfere with access to any other domains.
It will be interesting to see in what direction this project goes and how widely it will be adopted. There are already talks of getting Internet Service Providers to accept the .p2p extension as well, but even if this doesn’t happen the system can always be accessed through the BitTorrent-powered application and supporting DNS servers.
If anything, this shows that no matter what legislation or legal actions are taken, technology stays always one step ahead. The more aggressive law enforcement gets, the more creative and motivated adopters of the Open Internet will respond.
http://torrentfreak.com/bittorrent-based-dns-to-counter-us-domain-seizures-101130/
SIGN ME UP!
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Huh?? There were more acronyms in that piece than the Government has collected. Boy do I feel old -- I read it and really have no idea what it said. Other than another bit of Government wanting to control every thing, and some guys are fighting back, I guess. :P :-[ :-\
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DNS servers control domains (.com, .net, etc.). The government already has shut some down and the FCC wants full control! These guys are working magic to make a domain (.p2p) that will be beyond government control.
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This seems like the cyber version of the Soviet era "Samizdat" or "self publishing" that dissedents used to spread their writings.
In order to get around the communist censorship, (and avoid a trip to Siberia ) the writer would give a copy of his work to person A who would read it and make a copy, that person would then pass on both copies to people who would do the same etc.
It drove the KGB crazy ;D
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This seems like the cyber version of the Soviet era "Samizdat" or "self publishing" that dissedents used to spread their writings.
In order to get around the communist censorship, (and avoid a trip to Siberia ) the writer would give a copy of his work to person A who would read it and make a copy, that person would then pass on both copies to people who would do the same etc.
It drove the KGB crazy ;D
It's a LOT like that, I think.
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I didn't read the whole thing because I have a short attention span, but I think I got the gist of it. They can't control P2P or bittorrent so that's how the new DNS will work. Right?
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I didn't read the whole thing because I have a short attention span, but I think I got the gist of it. They can't control P2P or bittorrent so that's how the new DNS will work. Right?
Basically, yes.
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I understand "point and click". Bit's and Torrents, and all that stuff might as well be ancient Greek to me.
I do not understand how this gets around the Gov.
Why can't they just shut down servers that carry this info ? They did that to one or two music sharing sites a few years ago.
I understand how it worked with printed data, I don't understand how it transfers to Gov controllable communications.
Can't they just shut down the offending ISP ?
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To shut down the ISP they would have to shut down all ISPs (verizon, comcast, brighthouse, etc). The DNS servers will be local and replicated everywhere (like torrents) so they can't be traced or controlled. The only way to stop them would be to shut down the entire internet (and that ain't gonna happen).
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I understand "point and click". Bit's and Torrents, and all that stuff might as well be ancient Greek to me.
I do not understand how this gets around the Gov.
Why can't they just shut down servers that carry this info ? They did that to one or two music sharing sites a few years ago.
I understand how it worked with printed data, I don't understand how it transfers to Gov controllable communications.
Can't they just shut down the offending ISP ?
DNS translates a URL like www.downrange.tv into a specific public IP address like 110.34.7.210. Every computer attached to the internet has a public IP address, or a private one that usually starts with a "10", such as 10.198.42.1. Private IP addresses are used when people sign up for Qwest or Verizon interset service - you get a 10. number inside of their public IP addresses. The internet provider then translates the traffic directed to the public IP to your private IP.
What the gummint does is to redirect the DNS hosts so that www.downrange.tv points instead to an IP address they own. IIRC there are only a couple dozen of these WWW DNS host servers in the world, so easy to subvert. Generally it is thought that is how the Chinese stole 18 minutes of internet traffic last April.
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I used to have a buddy who was former Navy, He often said if he ever needed a gun a Marine would give him one.
I'm the same way with this "geek stuff", If I need to understand it one of you guys will get me a message with small simple words ;D
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I'm the same way with this "geek stuff", If I need to understand it one of you guys will get me a message with small simple words ;D
As usual I am with Tom on this stuff. That's why I like having a computer engineer for my son-in-law and an electronics wiz for a son. Heck, my grandkids are better at this than I am by far.
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Huh?? There were more acronyms in that piece than the Government has collected. Boy do I feel old -- I read it and really have no idea what it said. Other than another bit of Government wanting to control every thing, and some guys are fighting back, I guess. :P :-[ :-\
Acronymic Obfuscation
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As usual I am with Tom on this stuff. That's why I like having a computer engineer for my son-in-law and an electronics wiz for a son. Heck, my grandkids are better at this than I am by far.
You should have them write a Geezer/Geek dictionary, like the Spanish/ English ones.
They would probably get rich, I know I'd buy one ;D
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I worked in the industry and the acronym I liked best was PCM-CIA which was the designation for those cards that went in the slot in the side of your laptop.
The mnemonic used to remember the letters was People Can't Memorize Computer Industry Acronyms
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I worked in the industry and the acronym I liked best was PCM-CIA which was the designation for those cards that went in the slot in the side of your laptop.
The mnemonic used to remember the letters was People Can't Memorize Computer Industry Acronyms
I went off on a similar tangent in the Kimber thread .
Acronymic Obfuscation
Exactly, and we all do it. ;D
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Acronyms...
Anyone remember this one....I learned it in High School, reinforced in the Military...
"Bad Boys Rape Our Young Girls But Violet Gives Willingly"
BBROYGBVGW.....
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Acronyms...
Anyone remember this one....I learned it in High School, reinforced in the Military...
"Bad Boys Rape Our Young Girls But Violet Gives Willingly"
BBROYGBVGW.....
Hint: You need a VOM to verify....
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I originally learned an even more brash version.
Then learned Baby Bulls Raised On Green Grass Bring Very Good Wages
-Bidah
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I originally learned an even more brash version.
Then learned Baby Bulls Raised On Green Grass Bring Very Good Wages
-Bidah
Good one Bidah........there is a PC version of mine as well.....
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Hint: You need a VOM to verify....
Lost me!
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Lost me!
The original mnemonic/acronym was for the color codes on electronic resistors.
"Black, brown, red, orange, yellow, green, blue, violet, grey, white." (Gold and Silver are used for tolerance purposes.)
A "VOM" or Volt-Ohm-Meter is required to verify the resistance in the circuit.
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I worked in the industry and the acronym I liked best was PCM-CIA which was the designation for those cards that went in the slot in the side of your laptop.
The mnemonic used to remember the letters was People Can't Memorize Computer Industry Acronyms
Don't know what you're talking about........ ;D ;D ;D ;D
http://www.plchardware.com/Products/RA-1784-PCMK-B-UPP.aspx
(http://www.plchardware.com/prodimg/RA-1784-PCMK-B-UPP.jpg)
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Sad thing is, y'all might as well be speaking Farsi. I don't get it, and never will. Yet I know, its where the war for freedom will be fought, to keep the net open. I feel like a caveman with a post grad degree. I can can bring an AR to a gunfight. I can tell you how to put Saul Alynski into action (name your cause, left or right, I can raise a ruckus). I can can tell you how to organize a petition drive or a direct mail campaign.I've worked on campaigns for three parties in congressional races. I know why revolutions suceed and fail, and I can write a to the point letter to the editor or put five in a playing card at 200 yards. But years of study, not being particulary dumb, and understanding the stakes? I still can't decipher my cell phone. Give me a gun fight, a debate, a speech, or a petition drive and I'm your huckleberry. Give me a means to reroute email to a proxy server? I'm someone else's bitch, everytime, all the time. :'( I am an analog guy in a digital world. I've posted this before, but I'll do it again, just because it sums it up. I wish y'all well, just call me when you need a speech written or the shooting starts, because until then? I'm plumb useless. I doubt I'm alone. :-\
FQ13
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Sad thing is, y'all might as well be speaking Farsi. I don't get it, and never will. Yet I know, its where the war for freedom will be fought, to keep the net open. I feel like a caveman with a post grad degree. I can can bring an AR to a gunfight. I can tell you how to put Saul Alynski into action (name your cause, left or right, I can raise a ruckus). I can can tell you how to organize a petition drive or a direct mail campaign.I've worked on campaigns for three parties in congressional races. I know why revolutions suceed and fail, and I can write a to the point letter to the editor or put five in a playing card at 200 yards. But years of study, not being particulary dumb, and understanding the stakes? I still can't decipher my cell phone. Give me a gun fight, a debate, a speech, or a petition drive and I'm your huckleberry. Give me a means to reroute email to a proxy server? I'm someone else's bitch, everytime, all the time. :'( I am an analog guy in a digital world. I've posted this before, but I'll do it again, just because it sums it up. I wish y'all well, just call me when you need a speech written or the shooting starts, because until then? I'm plumb useless. I doubt I'm alone. :-\
FQ13
+10 ;D