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Member Section => Handguns => Topic started by: kf on December 05, 2010, 07:03:06 PM
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I had the opportunity to rewatch Michael Bane last night on pocket pistols..
I carry a SW 442 as a small pocket gun. Last year, I bought my wife the Ruger LCP; which she loves and carries..
now the ballistic question plays..
should I stick with my SW 442, or get a twin to the LCP?
Thanks
Be safe.
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The LCP is MUCH easier to carry concealed, I have carried my Kel-Tec P-32 in my sock on occasion, though it is usually in my right front pocket.
I have not tried it but I doubt you could do that with any snubby Revolver.
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I'm also thinking about a LCP, But after the wife found out what I paid for the Kimber she bought me for Christmas ;) it will have to wait untill spring. :-\
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There is always Kel-Tec, a little bit less expensive and a lot longer track record, for basically the same pistol.
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Actually, you'd need two. One as your primary and the second as your "New York Reload".
FWIW
Richard
PS: You could always sell the 442 to help finance your 2 LCP's
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I seriously hate the kel-tec trigger. But its a good little gun, and at about $250 a pop? Its hard to go wrong for a pocket gun.
FQ13
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You can pick up LCP's all day long for $200-$250 now and I trust them way more than any Kel-Tec. I've owned at least 3 Kel-Tecs and they all had major and different issues, not even getting into the horrible triggers. Sure they've got good customer service and will keep working on them until they're right but i'd rather just have something they got right in the first place. I've got 2 LCP's now and had 2 others that I've given to family, the trigger is way better and I can't make the things jam. I've mixed 6 different types of ammo in 1 magazine, stripped every bit of lube off of them and overlubed them to the point that they had so much pocket lint and crud stuck to them they looked like they were coated with flocking and I can't coax any type of FTF out of them. I always laugh when someone says Ruger copied Kel-Tec, they way look a little alike but Ruger figured out how to make them work from the factory.
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You can pick up LCP's all day long for $200-$250 now and I trust them way more than any Kel-Tec. I've owned at least 3 Kel-Tecs and they all had major and different issues, not even getting into the horrible triggers. Sure they've got good customer service and will keep working on them until they're right but i'd rather just have something they got right in the first place. I've got 2 LCP's now and had 2 others that I've given to family, the trigger is way better and I can't make the things jam. I've mixed 6 different types of ammo in 1 magazine, stripped every bit of lube off of them and overlubed them to the point that they had so much pocket lint and crud stuck to them they looked like they were coated with flocking and I can't coax any type of FTF out of them. I always laugh when someone says Ruger copied Kel-Tec, they way look a little alike but Ruger figured out how to make them work from the factory.
If you can get LCP's for $200 all day long, I'll take 3 of them and pay your FFL $50 to ship them to me! Dealer in my part of the world is $243.
Pecos
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Don't I wish! $275+ around here!
Richard
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LCP's are around $275-300 in my area. Co-worker has one, the trigger isn't that much better than my Kel-Tec's. I did a fluff & buff on mine via goldenloki, at KTOG, and have had no issues.
It took Ruger a lot of "magic" not to get sued for copying the KT. One was a slide stop. Which is a plus.
Pocket pistols, are not shot like a larger pistol. YMMV, but combat accuracy is easily achieved with some practice regardless, even with a NAA 22 Mag, or Bond derringer..
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Watch gunbroker, I had a friend pick one up for $187 yesterday. I paid $219 for the last one I bought. It was close enough to pick up so no shipping or transfer charges which is usually higher than the sales tax for most of my deals. Under $300 I'd rather have it be a local deal.
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If you can get LCP's for $200 all day long, I'll take 3 of them and pay your FFL $50 to ship them to me! Dealer in my part of the world is $243.
Pecos
looked at one yesterday for 340.00 and a used P3AT was 275.00 thieves, no wonder the internet is putting local shops out of business.
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looked at one yesterday for 340.00 and a used P3AT was 275.00 thieves, no wonder the internet is putting local shops out of business.
To be fair, the local gun shop has overhead the online dealers don't, then factor in the auction aspect, a pool of potential customers immensely larger than the local guy can hope for and the much higher volume of sales, there is no possible way the local guy can compete and stay in business. :-\
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To be fair, the local gun shop has overhead the online dealers don't, then factor in the auction aspect, a pool of potential customers immensely larger than the local guy can hope for and the much higher volume of sales, there is no possible way the local guy can compete and stay in business. :-\
Its sad and true. At the end of the day, it might lead to a very bad situation.Three types of gun shops.
Big box stores like Bass Pro, which puts us at the mercy of whatever corporations want and the customer be damned.
Pawn shops for transfers and used stuff.
The net, for those who know what they're doing, but with no way to fondle before buying, no service after the deal, and caveat emptor when you put your money down.
We lose, all the way around.
My general rule of thumb is to tack on $65 or so to any internet price to cover shipping and transfer fees. If you can get even close to that at a good local dealer, you owe it to yourself to use them.
FQ13
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Its sad and true. At the end of the day, it might lead to a very bad situation.Three types of gun shops.
Big box stores like Bass Pro, which puts us at the mercy of whatever corporations want and the customer be damned.
Pawn shops for transfers and used stuff.
The net, for those who know what they're doing, but with no way to fondle before buying, no service after the deal, and caveat emptor when you put your money down.
We lose, all the way around.
My general rule of thumb is to tack on $65 or so to any internet price to cover shipping and transfer fees. If you can get even close to that at a good local dealer, you owe it to yourself to use them.
FQ13
I totally agree with you on almost everything, I've been on both sides of the deal, I gave up my FFL a few years ago because I couldn't make any money. One thing on transfers though, my average cost with shipping and transfer fee paid is closer to $50 than $65. If I pick up more than 1 item at a time considerably less (I pay $25 for the first and $10 for each additional the same day) I pay an average of $20 in shipping. If I buy a gun online and I pay over $300 I usually come out ahead due to no sales tax. It's a shame it's hurting local shops but my local shops suck. Service is terrible, they act like it's putting them out to get a gun out of the case for you to look at and normally are too busy joking with each other or some buddy who's hanging around their shop. I use their range and buy their range ammo so they make some money off me. About once a year I buy a gun from them anyway, usually something from the used case or something they don't rape me on like a youth combo or similar. I don't at all mind paying a bit of a premium for some good service and support, unfortunately the only shop I've found that I can consistently get this is around 2 hours away. I buy a few guns a year from them too.
I've bought or traded for over 30 guns this year and about 5 have come from shops. I have found I get what I want the best through trades though, I buy fewer and fewer guns and mostly trade now. Not just guns for guns either, I've had some creative trades the last few years. I don't know if it's the economy or what but the barter system is alive and well. Unfortunately that's another thing hurting local shops, they never (and I get why) give a decent amount for trade-ins.