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Member Section => Down Range Cafe => Topic started by: Hazcat on December 28, 2010, 09:49:49 AM
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And it is doubtful that anything will be done about it because they are City Employees clearing streets in the middle of a huge weather event.
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dumb and dumber lol
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And it is doubtful that anything will be done about it because they are City Employees clearing streets in the middle of a huge weather event.
According to the local news here in CT, the auto owner will have to pick up the tab to repair their own truck. The City ain't gonna cough up a dime.
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According to the local news here in CT, the auto owner will have to pick up the tab to repair their own truck. The City ain't gonna cough up a dime.
I think the video might change their mind. Soveriegn immunity doesn't cover negligence and misconduct. The ower of the SUV is just going to have to give the claim to his insuror. Those guys don't like paying out and their lawyers are on salary. Get that clip in front of a jury and its game over.
FQ13
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Idiots...I guess 'stopping and re-evaluating' the situation never occurred to them.
Studied under David Farragut, I suppose. :P
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The sad part is those buffoons are probably making in the neighborhood of $35.00 an hour. More if they're on overtime which most all of them are when a major winter storm hits. This country is finished. Those idiot's would be overpaid at minimum wage! And it's such a big mystery why NYC is broke. Bill T.
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I think the video might change their mind. Soveriegn immunity doesn't cover negligence and misconduct. The ower of the SUV is just going to have to give the claim to his insuror. Those guys don't like paying out and their lawyers are on salary. Get that clip in front of a jury and its game over.
FQ13
I'd have to agree. Looking at the video the front end loader was fee at about the 1:30 mark but contiued to rock the back end around then backed up into the SUV. If he'd pulled forward he would have been clear and minimized the damage.
More importantly, how did the loader end up between to objects anyway? Pushing snow from the streets and piling it up in an open spot is one thing. Putting the equipment into a spot you probably won't get it out of safely is another.
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If there was a "Parking Ban" in effect the loader operator would have been
right with in the law .
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Bad situation pretty well sums it up!
Damage caused by snow removal equipment comes under some weird regulation. I know that city, state and county plows here are not liable for hitting unattended cars when clearing the roadways. However, this guy got himself in a situation without hitting the cars.
I put the blame for this one on the tow driver. With all his booms, multiple winches and anchors points there was no reason, except laziness, for him to be pulling. He could have winched this payloader out without damaging anything.
I do give the driver credit for not fighting with the witnesses and calling in a supervisor to handle this. One thing that does need to be remembered by everyone on this is that under that snow is ice. That payloader was helpless trying to get traction, and I would hate to try and operate it in those tight quarters.
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Not to sound like a total prick but it's NYC so who really gives a hoot!
Don't like the situation, move to a reasonably well managed municipality, if there IS one! If I could live in a city for FREE I wouldn't!
There was a parking ban in my little burg, always is in the winter. You get plowed in, your tough luck. Car gets cleaved in half by a loader, same deal. Live with it or move!
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Here's a simple question M58. wouldn't it have been easier to tow the SUV out of the way first? It weighs a 10th of the loader and would have given them maneuvering room? Or, failing that, called the plates in to the PD, since it looked like a city tow truck, and maybe called the driver? I mean, it wasn't like this was a time critical job and next to a house, a car is the average person's most expensive possesion. Just a thought, and obviously something foriegn to these guys. I mean honestly, de-escalation and conflict avoidance aren't just for SD situations.
FQ13 who shockingly did learn something from the quakers. ;)
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Not to sound like a total prick but it's NYC so who really gives a hoot!
If I could live in a city for FREE I wouldn't!
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Statement of the day! ;)
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If there was a "Parking Ban" in effect the loader operator would have been right with in the law .
I'm having a problem with anyone being "within the law" to smash up an expensive vehicle out of total stupidity, ignorance, and outright foolishness. I'm starting to wonder if some of Hitler's ideas weren't so bad??? If Germany had won the war these guys would have been used to fertilize evergreens. Can someone please explain how this would have been a bad thing? ::) Bill T.
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Bill, you're not naive, but this is the same city where it's well documented that people will step over a dead body rather than check to see if the HUMAN BEING is still breathing. A city where people avoid a person beating the shit out of another in hopes that they don't have to get involved. A city run, by and for, the largest population of sheep on the continent of North America.
Great food, fine entertainment and boatloads of humanity, rabidly waiting to eat their own young!
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Here's a simple question M58. wouldn't it have been easier to tow the SUV out of the way first? It weighs a 10th of the loader and would have given them maneuvering room? Or, failing that, called the plates in to the PD, since it looked like a city tow truck, and maybe called the driver? I mean, it wasn't like this was a time critical job and next to a house, a car is the average person's most expensive possesion. Just a thought, and obviously something foriegn to these guys. I mean honestly, de-escalation and conflict avoidance aren't just for SD situations.
FQ13 who shockingly did learn something from the quakers. ;)
Easiest and most practical thing would have been for the payloader to use the SUV for traction and gone right over the top of it. From the looks of it they needed to get the payloader out before they could have towed the SUV, and the time for all the calls could keep things bogged down forever. I stay with using the winches. It is amazing the control you have with an articulating boom and a winch.
This is the reason that one of the early questions when it comes to purchasing or renting a place to live is "Is there off street parking?" I have no sympathy for someone that leaves their vehicle on the public street when the snow is being moved. That reminds me, who said cleave it in half? I like that one ;D
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That reminds me, who said cleave it in half? I like that one ;D
That would be my verbiage..... ;D
Way back in the day, late sixties or early seventies, one of those big monster highway plows with the "V-shaped" plows split a car in half up near Cadillac, MI. JumboFrank or Blackwolfe might remember. Urban legend has it that there was someone sleeping in the back seat when it got cleaved!
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I towed one back in '78 that got stuck in a two foot drift on a main highway. Through the night the car, a full sized '75 Olds, was completely buried in the drifting snow. About noon the next day a plow trying to bust through found the car and launched it about 25 feet out the other side of the drift. They stories vary among the plow drivers that were there as to whether it burst into flames before it cleared the snow, in mid air, or when it landed on the clear road. Bottom line is that when I got there it was a burned out hulk with lots of wire hanging on bare rims. Nice thing about ice and packed snow is that I didn't worry about the rims. I just drug it three miles to the shop on bare steel.
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I'm having a problem with anyone being "within the law" to smash up an expensive vehicle out of total stupidity, ignorance, and outright foolishness. I'm starting to wonder if some of Hitler's ideas weren't so bad??? If Germany had won the war these guys would have been used to fertilize evergreens. Can someone please explain how this would have been a bad thing? ::) Bill T.
Under a city issued parking ban in any city, the owner of the SUV would have been at fault since his vehicle had no more right to be there than it would have to be on your lawn, (some one else's vehicle, not your own) Therefore, if it doesn't get towed before hand, the loader driver can do as he pleases to get access he needs to clear the road. If that involves trashing an SUV, tough sh!t.
In fact Bill, had Hitler won the war those people you ridicule would most likely be handing you a bar of "Soap" and telling you to enjoy your shower.
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Under a city issued parking ban in any city, the owner of the SUV would have been at fault since his vehicle had no more right to be there than it would have to be on your lawn, (some one else's vehicle, not your own) Therefore, if it doesn't get towed before hand, the loader driver can do as he pleases to get access he needs to clear the road. If that involves trashing an SUV, tough sh!t.
He could trash it, so he did. That almost sounds plausible. If contained an ounce of common sense. Bill T.
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Had to grab the numbers from Wiki
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_City
Area
- Urban 3,352.6 sq mi (8,683.2 km2)
- Metro 6,720 sq mi (17,405 km2)
Population density
- Urban 18,223,567
- Urban density 5,435.7/sq mi (2,098.7/km2)
- Metro 19,006,798
- Metro density 2,828.4/sq mi (1,092/km2)
It comes down to a choice of which is more important, getting the streets open or the personal property of arrogant assholes who think the rules are for every one else. I guarantee that was not the only vehicle in the way and it wasn't the only one trashed, based on the New Yorkers I see around here, while I have no doubt the loader driver is an arrogant prick, the owner of the SUV deserved what he got. In fact, if the loader then went and smashed in the wall of the guys apartment I would not blame him.
That is a sh!t load of area to clear, and with that population density there isn't much room to work.
Here's some other stuff from wiki to show how important getting the streets open is, not just to New Yorkers, but to the whole world.
New York is the most populous city in the United States and the center of the New York metropolitan area, which is one of the most populous metropolitan areas in the world. New York City has a significant impact on global commerce, finance, media, culture, art, fashion, research, education, and entertainment. As host of the United Nations Headquarters, it is also an important center for international affairs.
Some of the city's media conglomerates include Time Warner, the Thomson Reuters Corporation, the News Corporation, the Hearst Corporation, and Viacom. Seven of the world's top eight global advertising agency networks have their headquarters in New York.[104] Three of the "Big Four" record labels' headquarters, are in New York City; Universal Music Group, Sony Music Entertainment and Warner Music Group. One-third of all American independent films are produced in New York.[105]
More than 200 newspapers and 350 consumer magazines have an office in the city[105] and the book-publishing industry employs about 25,000 people.[106]
Two of the three national daily newspapers in the United States are New York papers:The Wall Street Journal and The New York Times which has won the most Pulitzer Prizes for journalism.
Major tabloid newspapers in the city include:
* The New York Daily News and The New York Post, founded in 1801 by Alexander Hamilton.
The city also has a major ethnic press, with 270 newspapers and magazines published in more than 40 languages.[107] El Diario La Prensa is New York's largest Spanish-language daily and the oldest in the nation.[108] The New York Amsterdam News, published in Harlem, is a prominent African American newspaper. The Village Voice is the largest alternative newspaper
The television industry developed in New York and is a significant employer in the city's economy.
The four major American broadcast networks are all headquartered in New York: ABC; CBS; FOX and NBC, Many cable channels are based in the city as well, including; MTV; Fox News; HBO and Comedy Central.
In 2005, there were more than 100 television shows taped in New York City.[109]
New York is also a major center for non-commercial media. The oldest public-access television channel in the United States is the Manhattan Neighborhood Network, founded in 1971.[110] *WNET is the city's major public television station and a primary source of national programming. PBS programming. WNYC, a public radio station owned by the city until 1997, has the largest public radio audience in the United States.[111]
The City of New York operates a public broadcast service, NYCTV, that produces several original Emmy Award-winning shows covering music and culture in city neighborhoods and city government.
New York is a global hub of international business and commerce and is one of three "command centers" for the world economy (along with London and Tokyo).[121] The city is a major center for finance, insurance, real estate, media and the arts in the United States.
New York Stock Exchange on Wall Street, the largest stock exchange in the world by dollar volume
The New York metropolitan area had approximately gross metropolitan product of $1.13 trillion in 2005,[122][123] making it the largest regional economy in the United States and, according to IT Week, the second largest city economy in the world.[124] According to Cinco Dias, New York controlled 40% of the world's finances by the end of 2008, making it the largest financial center in the world.[125][126][127]
Many major corporations are headquartered in New York City, including 42 Fortune 500 companies.[128] New York is also unique among American cities for its large number of foreign corporations. One out of ten private sector jobs in the city is with a foreign company.[129]
Manhattan had 353.7 million square feet (32,860,000 m²) of office space in 2001.[130]
Midtown Manhattan is the largest central business district in the United States. Lower Manhattan is the third largest central business district in the United States, and is home to The New York Stock Exchange, located on Wall Street, and the NASDAQ, representing the world's first and second largest stock exchanges, respectively, when measured by average daily trading volume and overall market capitalization.[131] Financial services account for more than 35% of the city's employment income.[132]
Real estate is a major force in the city's economy, as the total value of all New York City property was $802.4 billion in 2006.[133] The Time Warner Center is the property with the highest-listed market value in the city, at $1.1 billion in 2006.[133] New York City is home to some of the nation's—and the world's—most valuable real estate. 450 Park Avenue was sold on July 2, 2007 for $510 million, about $1,589 per square foot ($17,104/m²), breaking the barely month-old record for an American office building of $1,476 per square foot ($15,887/m²) set in the June 2007 sale of 660 Madison Avenue.[134]
The city's television and film industry is the second largest in the country after Hollywood.[135] Creative industries such as new media, advertising, fashion, design and architecture account for a growing share of employment, with New York City possessing a strong competitive advantage in these industries.[136]
High-tech industries like biotechnology, software development, game design, and internet services are also growing, bolstered by the city's position at the terminus of several transatlantic fiber optic trunk lines.[137] Other important sectors include medical research and technology, non-profit institutions, and universities.
Manufacturing accounts for a large but declining share of employment. Garments, chemicals, metal products, processed foods, and furniture are some of the principal products.[138] The food-processing industry is the most stable major manufacturing sector in the city.[139] Food making is a $5 billion industry that employs more than 19,000 residents. Chocolate is New York City's leading specialty-food export, with $234 million worth of exports each year.[139]
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It comes down to a choice of which is more important, getting the streets open or the personal property of arrogant assholes who think the rules are for every one else........In fact, if the loader then went and smashed in the wall of the guys apartment I would not blame him.
So we now have you to determine everyone in New York City with a vehicle buried in snow, and unable to be moved, is nothing more than a "arrogant prick". I don't care if the snow is 6' deep, and the street 8' wide. Or for that matter how populous the city is, or how many "record labels" headquarter there, or Kosher deli's there are per sq. mile, or what the average temperature is in the month of December, or any other meaningless blather you want to put forth in an effort to defend total ignorance and stupidity.
A blind man could see from a 3rd floor window, the front tire of that loader overlapped the front of that vehicle by well over a foot. Stupidity has no defense, period. Legal or otherwise. It was so obvious the worst practicing attorney in New York State could most likely make a successful argument in open court it was done deliberate. You don't even know who owns that vehicle. With what do you base that he or she is an "arrogant asshole"? Perhaps they were stranded at an airport thousands of miles away like tens of thousands of others who travel to see family over the holidays, and couldn't get to their car to move it if they so wanted. It doesn't matter because it changes nothing when idiot's set out to prove just how low their I.Q. is.
The fact you would even defend these stupid buffoons, along with what they did brings a lot into question. Where were these people supposed to put their cars if in fact they could move them anywhere? I've seen stupid city ordinances, along with the idiot city managers who tried to enforce them, get thrown out of office because of it. (Chicago....Bilandic / Byrne 1979). All done in the voting booth by these same people who you like to refer to as "arrogant assholes". These same people pay the taxes that provide these morons with their overpriced salary.
This is the same city that won't trust it's citizenry to carry a handgun, but they'll trust a clown like that with a 20 ton front loader. Having lived in and around the city of Chicago for almost 40 Winters, I don't need a geography lesson, or education on urban snow removal, or the difficulty faced when it happens. As they say, welcome to life in the big city. In 1967, and again in 1979 people went weeks before many of Chicago's streets could be cleared, and cars moved. When you stick millions of people in a very concentrated area, then dump 20+ inches of snow on it overnight, it tends to pose a bit more of a problem than it does for farmer Brown getting to his mailbox. None of it allows for fools to prove their stupidity at the expense of others. Your position reflects you have other issues. Perhaps I was a little over optimistic when I suggested "evergreen food". Trail Mix for the seagulls at the landfill might be a better application. Bill T.
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I've had so many assholes cars towed over the years...
The last one blocked me into a drive way. Called the cops, they had a tow truck come hook it up. right as he was putting the lights on. this lady comes out. "I was only there a few mins " The officer says:" this guy called almost a hour ago, and why do you have a yoga mat with you?" there was a yoga place right around the coner.
Long story short, not only did she get a nice fat ticket, she also got charged, for the tow truck. she was damn lucky she came out when she did. other wise it would have been $$$$$$$ in impound fees. The officer told me after she left, if she had not lied about being there for so long he would have let her go with just a warning.
I've also had guy park behind me in home depot lots so I could not get out... we had his truck towed to another home depot. I bet he was pissed.
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I've had so many assholes cars towed over the years...
Legitimately towing them with the owners knowledge is one thing. Destroying them either deliberately, or out of stupidity is another. Bill T.
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It is amazing the control you have with an articulating boom and a winch.
They more then successfully proved otherwise. Bill T.
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They more then successfully proved otherwise. Bill T.
No, the the tow driver proved what can happen when you are too lazy to set the booms and use the winches.
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Here are a couple quotes from New York City (NYC) officials to make your head spin:
1. NYC says it costs one million dollars per inch of snow to clean up. This storm dropped twenty inches, so it will use $20 million of the $22 million 2011 snow removal budget to clear;
2. This is the first major storm of 2010.
I can understand the media spinning things by bringing next year's figures into this year's issues, but why are city officials using these numbers? Did they have too much money left over, so they used it for a Christmas party?
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Large eastern seaboard and Midwestern cities are always going to get Winter blizzards and snow storms. Always have, and always will. They are a large, expensive inconvenience. People will complain, work will be lost, and money will be spent that was not put aside. Life will go on. Today we prepare less, and complain more. All while service gets worse and worse.
You never heard of people being kept captive in commercial aircraft for 8 and 10 hours on the tarmac, not being allowed to deplane because they weren't assigned to a gate. It's insanity, and it's been happening for several years now with zero progress being made to rectify it. Why? Simply because people are becoming more and more inept at their jobs. It used to be to get a job with the city, or the Federal government it was because of who you knew. Now it appears to be based on how little you know. The morons on that video are a shining example of that. Bill T.
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Large eastern seaboard and Midwestern cities are always going to get Winter blizzards and snow storms. Always have, and always will. They are a large, expensive inconvenience. People will complain, work will be lost, and money will be spent that was not put aside. Life will go on. Today we prepare less, and complain more. All while service gets worse and worse.
You never heard of people being kept captive in commercial aircraft for 8 and 10 hours on the tarmac, not being allowed to deplane because they weren't assigned to a gate. It's insanity, and it's been happening for several years now with zero progress being made to rectify it. Why? Simply because people are becoming more and more inept at their jobs. It used to be to get a job with the city, or the Federal government it was because of who you knew. Now it appears to be based on how little you know. The morons on that video are a shining example of that. Bill T.
That....... and the fact that the sheeple put up with it.
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That....... and the fact that the sheeple put up with it.
Very true. Today no one takes charge. Everyone just goes along with it. Don't rock the boat. Don't make waves, you might get in trouble. As a result nothing happens. When some guy takes action, like this veteran airline pilot who shot cell phone video blowing a ton of holes through the TSA airport "security system" in San Francisco, armed Federal agents showed up at his house with a warrant to harass him, and took his firearm. This is your reward when you point out the idiot's within the system, along with the crappy job they're doing. I don't doubt the kid who shot this video of the tow truck buffoons will meet with some type of "resistance" because of his actions. This is quickly boiling to a head, and it will get ugly when it finally does boil over and make a mess. Bill T.
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So we now have you to determine everyone in New York City with a vehicle buried in snow, and unable to be moved, is nothing more than a "arrogant prick". I don't care if the snow is 6' deep, and the street 8' wide. Or for that matter how populous the city is, or how many "record labels" headquarter there, or Kosher deli's there are per sq. mile, or what the average temperature is in the month of December, or any other meaningless blather you want to put forth in an effort to defend total ignorance and stupidity.
A blind man could see from a 3rd floor window, the front tire of that loader overlapped the front of that vehicle by well over a foot. Stupidity has no defense, period. Legal or otherwise. It was so obvious the worst practicing attorney in New York State could most likely make a successful argument in open court it was done deliberate. You don't even know who owns that vehicle. With what do you base that he or she is an "arrogant asshole"? Perhaps they were stranded at an airport thousands of miles away like tens of thousands of others who travel to see family over the holidays, and couldn't get to their car to move it if they so wanted. It doesn't matter because it changes nothing when idiot's set out to prove just how low their I.Q. is.
The fact you would even defend these stupid buffoons, along with what they did brings a lot into question. Where were these people supposed to put their cars if in fact they could move them anywhere? I've seen stupid city ordinances, along with the idiot city managers who tried to enforce them, get thrown out of office because of it. (Chicago....Bilandic / Byrne 1979). All done in the voting booth by these same people who you like to refer to as "arrogant assholes". These same people pay the taxes that provide these morons with their overpriced salary.
This is the same city that won't trust it's citizenry to carry a handgun, but they'll trust a clown like that with a 20 ton front loader. Having lived in and around the city of Chicago for almost 40 Winters, I don't need a geography lesson, or education on urban snow removal, or the difficulty faced when it happens. As they say, welcome to life in the big city. In 1967, and again in 1979 people went weeks before many of Chicago's streets could be cleared, and cars moved. When you stick millions of people in a very concentrated area, then dump 20+ inches of snow on it overnight, it tends to pose a bit more of a problem than it does for farmer Brown getting to his mailbox. None of it allows for fools to prove their stupidity at the expense of others. Your position reflects you have other issues. Perhaps I was a little over optimistic when I suggested "evergreen food". Trail Mix for the seagulls at the landfill might be a better application. Bill T.
Not at all Bill, they are all arrogant pricks, regardless of where their vehicles are.
The rest of your post just illustrates your ignorance of reality in the North.
Snow happens every winter, I've laid out the facts, including the numbers involved and economic aspects, if that isn't good enough for you it also raises several questions.
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The rest of your post just illustrates your ignorance of reality in the North.
Yeah, what would I know, I was only born and raised there, and lived 38 years of my life there. ::) Bill T.
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A city run, by and for, the largest population of sheep on the continent of North America.
Great food, fine entertainment and boatloads of humanity, rabidly waiting to eat their own young!
I repeat....it's NYC....Who cares...... and I agree with Tom, I've never met anyone from NYC that wasn't an asshole and we get a bunch of them in this part of the world.
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Legitimately towing them with the owners knowledge is one thing. Destroying them either deliberately, or out of stupidity is another. Bill T.
I never said it was legitimately towed... ;)
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I never said it was legitimately towed... ;)
Or with the owners knowledge, ;D
I only had one vehicle towed, I called a company from 2 towns over to do it ;D
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Posted without comment. ::)
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20101230/ap_on_bi_ge/us_winter_weather
Across New York, complaints have mounted about unplowed streets, stuck ambulances and outer-borough neighborhoods neglected by the Bloomberg administration.
"When he says New York, he means Manhattan," said Hayden Hunt of Brooklyn, a borough of 2.6 million people where many streets were not cleared for days. "He's the man in charge. ... It's foolishness, come on."
Bloomberg, a third-term Republican-turned-independent who is occasionally mentioned as a long-shot presidential candidate, spent the first day after the storm on the defensive, testily dismissing complaints and insisting the cleanup of the 2-foot snowfall was going fine. But he later adopted a more conciliatory tone.
On Wednesday, as stories began to surface about people who may have suffered serious medical problems while waiting for ambulances, the mayor was his most apologetic, without actually apologizing.
"We did not do as good a job as we wanted to do or as the city has a right to expect, and there's no question — we are an administration that has been built on accountability," he said. "When it works, it works and we take credit, and when it doesn't work, we stand up there and say, `OK, we did it. We'll try to find out what went wrong.'"
The city sanitation commissioner promised that every last street would be plowed by Thursday morning.
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Having our own blizzard here, 30-40 mph winds with snow. Expected to run until noon Saturday (<yawn>). Both Interstates are closed. We did lose power for 4 hours, but it's back and all is OK. I'll fire up the snow blower when the storm passes, and we will be on about our business Saturday afternoon latest.
The best part of Nanny's comments was calling his Streets and San people "professionals". I wonder where they went for their advanced degrees in garbage hauling, snow removal, and SUV trashing! ;D
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Posted without comment. ::)
On Wednesday, as stories began to surface about people who may have suffered serious medical problems while waiting for ambulances, the mayor was his most apologetic, without actually apologizing.
"We did not do as good a job as we wanted to do or as the city has a right to expect, and there's no question — we are an administration that has been built on accountability," he said. "When it works, it works and we take credit, and when it doesn't work, we stand up there and say, `OK, we did it. We'll try to find out what went wrong.'"
Then there is this......
Newborn Dies In Apartment Lobby 9 Hours After The 911 Call; City Admits 'Dropping The Ball'
NEW YORK - A blizzard baby delivered inside the lobby of a snowbound Brooklyn building died after an emergency call of a woman in labor brought no help for nine excruciating hours.
The baby's mother, a 22-year-old college senior, was recovering Tuesday night at Interfaith Medical Center, where her newborn was pronounced dead at 6:34 p.m. on Monday. That was 10 hours after the first 911 call from the bloody vestibule on Brooklyn Ave. in Crown Heights.
"No one could get to her. Crown Heights was not plowed, and no medical aid came for hours," said the student's mother.
By the time a horde of firefighters and cops finally trooped to her aid through snow-covered blocks, the baby was unconscious and unresponsive, sources said.
Details of the tragedy emerged as the abominable snowstorm continued to wreak havoc across a city still digging out from the wintry blast. Some of the other blizzard horrors include:
- In Queens, a woman tried to reach 911 operators for 20 minutes Monday and then waited for three hours for first responders to arrive. By then, her mom had died, state Sen. Jose Peralta's office said.
Laura Freeman, 41, said her mother, Yvonne Freeman, 75, woke her at 8 a.m. because she was having trouble breathing. When the daughter couldn't get through to 911, she enlisted neighbors and relatives, who also began calling.
One of the callers reached an operator at 8:20 a.m., but responders stymied by snow-clogged streets didn't reach the Corona home until 11:05 a.m., said Peralta, who wants the death investigated.
"The EMS workers walked down the block trudging through snow," Freeman said. "They tried. I could tell by the look on their faces. I really would just like [Mayor] Bloomberg to admit that there were casualties."
http://www.khq.com/Global/story.asp?S=13758243
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I feel for these people but they chose to maintain the status quo and remain victims of circumstances beyond their control.
That city eats its victims like most do but with better press coverage!
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I feel for these people but they chose to maintain the status quo and remain victims of circumstances beyond their control.
That city eats its victims like most do but with better press coverage!
That's why I could never live in a big city......(don't want to live in any city limits, for that matter)...
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That's why I could never live in a big city......(don't want to live in any city limits, for that matter)...
My current town has 5200 residents spread over 55 sq miles. My last about 4900 and the two previous about 10K. Only one had a paid Fire Chief.
All volunteer fire house here right down the street, Town Hall next door to my house and our only constable, a CT State Trooper about 100 feet from my front door.
I feel smothered here, might have to move to the country!
;D ;D ;D
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My current town has 5200 residents spread over 55 sq miles. My last about 4900 and the two previous about 10K. Only one had a paid Fire Chief.
All volunteer fire house here right down the street, Town Hall next door to my house and our only constable, a CT State Trooper about 100 feet from my front door.
I feel smothered here, might have to move to the country!
;D ;D ;D
I live in the "suburbs" (about 1.5 miles out) of a town of around 750 people. ;D
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you know its funny, I like being out in the country, but I hate having to do yard work.
Paving 25 acres gets pretty pricy.
There is a reason why our side yard is all asphalt grindings, and are back yard is covered in black plastic... ;D
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you know its funny, I like being out in the country, but I hate having to do yard work.
Paving 25 acres gets pretty pricy.
There is a reason why our side yard is all asphalt grindings, and are back yard is covered in black plastic... ;D
Hell, we only have about 15 acres to mow............ ;D
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my dad has a half of all grass it takes him 2 hours to mow on a riding lawn mower. I tried to tell him up front...
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Low bush blueberries, Flox, or some other naturally low growing ground cover. Or seed it with wild flower mix, not only does it look nice, but the mix means you have color from Spring through fall.