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Member Section => Defense and Tactics => Topic started by: CGinWI on January 09, 2011, 12:46:13 PM
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Hello,
I'll start by saying I live in WI where we don't have CCW. Yet !!
I'm looking at a Ruger LCP for carry when we do get CCW.
My question is, I've always carried a pocket clip style knife in my
right jeans pocket, I'm thinking thats going to be a problem with a LCP
in the same pocket. Should I switch where I put my knife ? or carry the LCP
in my left pocket ? or Carry in the right pocket and not worry about the LCP being there ?
I use my knife alot through out the day and don't plan on moving the gun ?
What do you guys think ?
I'm I thinking to much about ?
CG
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I carry a Kel Tec, which is basically the same pistol in my right front pocket. The knife has to move. In cargo pants the knife goes in the right cargo pocket, in jeans it goes in the back pocket with the blade against the seam to prevent accidental opening.
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I use my knife a lot to and it is clipped in my right front pocket My Taraus goes in my back pocket in a blackhawk inside-the-pocket holster.
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My lcp is in a leather pocket holster with a print pad in the right front pocket and my knife is clipped at the very rear of the same pocket. In normal daily carry and practice I have had no problem with them both in the same pocket. I can even remove the holstered gun frome either dress slacks or jeans without removing the knife first.
My bigger issue is that I carry two magazines and a surefire in the left front pocket. I need to find a better way to carry either the magazines or the light. It is too bulky with them all in the same pocket.
I chose the placement for the following reasons:
Right pocket - gun or knife in strong hand for fight. I will use one or the other, but not both at the same time;
Left pocket - magazines will be used at the same time as the gun, and the light will be used at the same time as either the gun or the knife;
Right hip - IWB holster with Government 1911
Right rear pocket - this is where I used to carry the lcp, but I learned from watching a show the downside of small of the back carry and figured I was handicapping myself the same way with a back pocket draw.
Beside the bulk the only down side to the left pocket contents is that for fist reinforcement I need to transfer the light from one hand to the other, but that is minor when I consider the primary needs of all items.
Note: My current knife is a three inch and is carried point down. I prefer point up, but I need to save the pennies to buy the nice Spyderco that I am drooling over. I actually also need to get to a Spyderco booth somewhere to handle a few models and pick the one I want.
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Note: My current knife is a three inch and is carried point down. I prefer point up, but I need to save the pennies to buy the nice Spyderco that I am drooling over. I actually also need to get to a Spyderco booth somewhere to handle a few models and pick the one I want.
M58 see you at the NRA Convention in Pittsburgh. You can try out all sorts of knives there. That's the best place to shop IMHO.
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M58 see you at the NRA Convention in Pittsburgh. You can try out all sorts of knives there. That's the best place to shop IMHO.
I'd love to, but job change has not been good financially, and with all the travel that goes with it I'm always in the wrong place :'( My next two trips out of state are Vegas in March and Manitoba May 1st to 7th. I had hoped for SHOT, but once again it got preempted by business as well.
I love the internet for basic research, but online shopping has destroyed the dealerships that used to have and even know about tools like this.
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I also have the P3AT Kel-Tec .380, sometimes, I carry it in my back pocket, strong side, and my clip knife can remain. Others, I pocket carry the pistol, and switch the knife to the right side.
Depends on attire, however, the trick is to rotate options. My KT also has an inside belt clip attachment that works in similar fashion as a pocket knife, but in an IWB set up.
There is no particular right/wrong setup. I moved the knife, or moved my wallet. Keep the pistol on your strong side, whether front pocket or back, and you should find a happy medium between.
Hope WI gets CC soon, it's been a long time coming. I miss those Pulaski and Oconto girls... ::)
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http://www.keltecweapons.com/product/belt-clip-fits-p-32-or-p-3at/
Ruger does not seem to offer this for the LCP.
The Kel Tec version MAY fit.
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I carry the LCP in front right pocket in a Desantis pocket holster. My Kershaw knife is in the back right pocket, next to the wallet, blade against the seam.
OK, I USED to carry that way, until I got stupid and let my CCW lapse. >:( Have the new paperwork, will be sending it in soon.
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I carry a G-26 either IWB or in the right frot pocket. Believe it or not, you don't notice it. Even in "relaxed fit" jeans,it prints as something, but not "gun". In dockers it dissapears, an LCP wil do an even better job. The Spyderco delica is in the LH pocket with the cell and keys (led light on the chain). With a spyderco, or other one handed opener, the LH opening is effortless with very little practice, just do it for a while while watching TV.
Good luck.
FQ13
PS M58 ebay the knife. I got my delica for $27 from kysurpls.com, an ebay store (you have to find them from ebay, not google).
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I carry the LCP in front right pocket in a Desantis pocket holster. My Kershaw knife is in the back right pocket, next to the wallet, blade against the seam.
OK, I USED to carry that way, until I got stupid and let my CCW lapse. >:( Have the new paperwork, will be sending it in soon.
(http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm182/twyacht/Homer_Simpson_DOH.jpg)
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While carrying the Ruger LCP in Desantis A8 holster it is always on my right side while my Smith and Wesson SWAT automatic knife is in my left front pocket. This is a rare occurrence cause I usually have my Glock 30SF on my right side. ;D
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I carry a LCP with Crimson Trace Lasergrips in a CT pocket holster. I used to carry my knife clipped to my right (strong side) pocket, but now that I carry the LCP, the knife is in the left pocket. Yes, its hard to get used to the knife not being where I have carried it forever, but I cant afford Murphys law kicking in and keeping me from being able to draw my firearm, due to the knife being a obstruction. You arent overthinking, visualizing these problems to work though, beforehand, makes you more prepared.
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Another factor I found carrying my Kel - Tec the same way is that even if the knife doesn't get in the way of accessing the pistol there is a chance of snagging it on the draw.
Worst case, you get hung up, best case, you possibly lose a decent knife.
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You can get a Clipdraw for the LCP.
http://www.clipdraw.com/store/index.php?rn=395&action=show_detail
If you do carry using the Clipdraw, you will need to wipe down and oil a bit more often due to body moisture.
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That looks nifty Solus. Anyone ever used it?
FQ13
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That looks nifty Solus. Anyone ever used it?
FQ13
I have one on one of my LCP's set up for right hand carry. I installed it so the minimum gun would show. This may have been a mistake since it makes for a slower draw.
I have one for my second LCP and will set it up for left hand use and will allow a bit more to show. More showing will not be a problem. It will still be so little that a bit of a loose tuck on a shirt will cover it.
I will remove the tape and reapply on the right hand one.
I have found it is not extremely useful with the carry options I use.
I have always felt that one of the LCP's would be the most likely gun I'd respond with in most SD situations. I carry in a outside jacket or vest pocket 95% of the time and have a hand on one of them most of the time. I could respond faster with an LCP than the IWB Glock 23 or the Glock 21SF in a Smartcarry.
With the Glock 23 in the IWB, it is quicker to present than the LCP in the clipdraw since I am not as likely to have a hand on the LCP.
However, I do like having that option to give the LCP more usefulness as a BUG in the off hand carry.
P.S. I used a Clipdraw with the Glock 23 for a short time. Removed it because it just did not seem safe outside a holster with the Glock's Safe Action Trigger system.
You can get a Trigger Safety for the Glock at the Clipdraw site
http://www.clipdraw.com/store/index.php?rn=396&action=show_detail
but it seems easier to me to just use an IWB holster.
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I'm leery of the tape on a heavier gun. Have you tried it on a 1911, or full sized revolver ?
Does it seem secure enough on the LCP ?
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I'm leery of the tape on a heavier gun. Have you tried it on a 1911, or full sized revolver ?
Does it seem secure enough on the LCP ?
Afraid of catching "Plaxicoitis"? ;D Seriously, the absence of a triger safety doesn't worry me. The solution to that is easy. I don't see anything to snag it from an uhosltered IWB carry as long as the booger hook is where it should be, eg, far from the trigger. Thanks for the report, I will look at it a bit more. The G-26 is a bit heavier than the LCP, about 24 oz loaded, but still not all that heavy. This might be a nice option. Do you use a De Santis by any chance? I was wondering if you could fit it into one clip and all.
FQ13
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You quoted the wrong post FQ ;D
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I'm leery of the tape on a heavier gun. Have you tried it on a 1911, or full sized revolver ?
Does it seem secure enough on the LCP ?
The Clipdraw doesn't use tape on proper pistols like the Glock. ;D ;D
They send a replacement end plate for the slide with two hex screw attachments. They made it reversible for FQ too.
I've not used it on my 1911 since it is the Upstairs House Gun.
The tape has held up fine on the LCP. The hex screws have needed tightening a few times but you notice the looseness long before it falls off.
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Afraid of catching "Plaxicoitis"? ;D Seriously, the absence of a triger safety doesn't worry me. The solution to that is easy. I don't see anything to snag it from an uhosltered IWB carry as long as the booger hook is where it should be, eg, far from the trigger. Thanks for the report, I will look at it a bit more. The G-26 is a bit heavier than the LCP, about 24 oz loaded, but still not all that heavy. This might be a nice option. Do you use a De Santis by any chance? I was wondering if you could fit it into one clip and all.
FQ13
What worried me with the G23 was that you needed to do some manipulation of the clipdraw to get it over your pants and belt...even more to get it between your pants and belt. This was not a big deal standing up, but if you had to leave it in your car, it was much more cumbersome and, to me, risky to do seated.
I use a Crimson Trace laser on the LCP I have the Clipdraw installed and I use the model of DeSantis that is tailored for the laser. I holster it with the Clipdraw inside the holster with no problems. Should you decide to remove the Cllipdraw, you might have stretched your holster a bit and made the fit looser. Just an observation, nothing I have experienced.
I have a laser and Clipdraw for my second LCP but have not installed them and use the standard DeSantis holster for it.
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I'm personally not comfortable with having anything else in or clipped to my pocket when using a pocket holster. I have 2 different holsters I use, depending on pants. I use a leather Desantis model with small or normal pockets then I have a synthetic model, I don't remember the brand, that also has a spare mag pouch built in. This one works better for cargo or square bottomed pants pockets or larger pockets where the smaller one moves around too much. I'm a lefty so whatever choice I use is in my left front pocket. My knife is always in the back left pocket. I've carried a knife in the same place for about 30 years, long before pocket carry of a pistol. I had to start carrying my wallet in my right front instead of the left once I started pocket carry. I'm thinking of moving the pistol to the right front since it's rarely the only pistol I'm carrying. I've also got a nice little pocket organizer that holds my flashlight, a mag for my main pistol and my LCP and my phone. It fits nicely in a cargo pocket if I don't want anything on my belt for whatever reason.
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I have wondered about the clips. Glad to see something in reference to it. I would rather prefer a holster for the firearm. I had a friend who had a clip on a KelTec. Ugly as hell but he liked it.
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I have a Kahr CW9, a XD9 Subcompact and a LCP for carry, I almost always carry the LCP. You can actually use your change pocket in your jeans and cargo pants/shorts to holster it. It will slide in very easy but is snug enough that you are not worried it will fall out. It is perfect! just deep enough to get it all the way to the back of trigger gaurd. Very easy to pull, just slide your thumb in and grab. You may even have room for your knife in the main pocket. ;)
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I carry my LCP in a "under the belt" holster. Clipped to my pants material and not to my belt if I happen to be wearing a belt. It allows the gun to stay /move in more comftorble position when going from sitting / standing a lot. I put it behind my right front pant pocket. Comfy enough that I sometimes have to think. Did I wear it today? And if a teeny bulge of is visible through the shorts / jeans / whatever, it's right where key's or anything else in the pant pocket would be. NO WAY anyones figuring out what it is. Almost the whole gun fits down in the "Uncle Mike's" holster. To draw it I hook my finger on the magazine lip to start pulling it out, then I can get the rest of my hand on it. It's faster than behind the back for me. And short of putting it between your butt cheeks... I don't think there's a more "concealed" way to carry when wearing light summer cloths. ;D
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I carry my LCP in a Sam Andrews Pocket Holster to which I've added a piece of contoured kydex that breaks up the grip outline, and pivots forward when you insert you hand on the grip... since retirement, I carry any time I leave the house, and have moved my Benchmade Axis Lock to the weak side
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I carry the ruger lcp and most of the time I carry in the right front pocket in a pocket holster.I have moved my knife to the left front pocket so it wont interfere with drawing the pistol .
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I carry a small flashlight clipped to the left front pocket so when I carry the LCP in my right front pocket the knife goes to the right rear pocket and even somtimes when I holster carry something bigger.
FWIW
Richard