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Member Section => Defense and Tactics => Topic started by: okjoe on January 14, 2011, 08:52:50 PM
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Low-tec do-it-yourself aiming aid 4 fast, automatic, and accurate aiming at close quarters. New video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lLrJBYSYsok
The aiming aid is patented, but individuals are welcome to add one to their personal gun/s at their own risk and expense. I have the patent, so I can say that. US 6023874
Regards,
John Veit
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While I understand the concept and how it works, your technique/technology goes against much of what I've been taught about handling a sidearm. Am I correct that you are using your middle finger to press the trigger? Also, wouldn't this devise limit the ability to easily holster your weapon? I know that with the sherpa holsters that I use it would make it impossible.
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I have to agree with JC on this. It seems like another example of gimmick over training trying to draw in new shooters with (possible) improved accuracy in the short term but at what long term costs. What happens when they have to shoot a weapon that doesn't have a piece of angle iron attached? The most disturbing part to me is using your middle finger to operate the trigger. Unless your index finger was severed in some horrific accident I can't see where teaching this "technique" could ever be a positive. I say spend your money on the range practicing in a tried and true manner but that's just me.
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It also severely limits concealabity
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This comes from a guy thats been banned from a few sites. 5 shot is his handle. Its an absolutely ridiculous way to aim, and now obviously he has created a finger rest. ::) good grief.
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I've shot an entire season with my middle finger due to an "oopsie". Ironically enough, this happened when I was opening one of those zipper pouch first aid kits for a customer and had to a stubborn plastic tie. I think I succesfully demonstrated both the adequacy of the first aid kit and the Gerber Gator I used to open it. :-[ ;D Nevertheless, I damaged my left idex finger to the point of needing two surgeries to fix the nerve damage. The whole season I shot shotguns and rifles with the middle finger (I felt it was rude to the birds). The thing is, after shooting several cases on skeet, doves and ducks, as well as tons of airgun pellets in the backyard, it still never felt right. I guess my point is that if it felt this weigh after 500 plus rounds, I don't see it becoming natural like you'd want in an SD weapon. Maybe if you learned this way it would. Me? I kept automatically trying to figure out what the hell to do with the immobilized trigger finger. Maybe a rest would help, maybe I'm just a slow learner, maybe it was just a function of overcoming years of muscle memory. Still, every time I made a snap shot, I'd still try to use the trigger finger and have to remind myself not to. Ok on ducks. SD? Not so much. I'll pass.
FQ13
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I've shot an entire season with my middle finger due to an "oopsie". Ironically enough, this happened when I was opening one of those zipper pouch first aid kits for a customer and had to a stubborn plastic tie. I think I succesfully demonstrated both the adequacy of the first aid kit and the Gerber Gator I used to open it. :-[ ;D Nevertheless, I damaged my left idex finger to the point of needing two surgeries to fix the nerve damage. The whole season I shot shotguns and rifles with the middle finger (I felt it was rude to the birds). The thing is, after shooting several cases on skeet, doves and ducks, as well as tons of airgun pellets in the backyard, it still never felt right. I guess my point is that if it felt this weigh after 500 plus rounds, I don't see it becoming natural like you'd want in an SD weapon. Maybe if you learned this way it would. Me? I kept automatically trying to figure out what the hell to do with the immobilized trigger finger. Maybe a rest would help, maybe I'm just a slow learner, maybe it was just a function of overcoming years of muscle memory. Still, every time I made a snap shot, I'd still try to use the trigger finger and have to remind myself not to. Ok on ducks. SD? Not so much. I'll pass.
FQ13
Well now you've got the solution, just attach some angle iron to all your guns so you have a place for that pesky limited digit. Now it will sit quietly and you can keep giving everything you shoot the finger. ;D
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It definitely seems to be a solution in search of a problem.
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The more I think about this if you are using a proper grip you should already be doing this. In keeping my finger off the trigger until I've acquired my target I already keep my index finger pointing at my target down the side of my frame. Furthermore my support hand thumb also acts as a de-facto pointing device as well. the only real difference is I'm not attaching something to my pistol and I'm pressing the trigger with the proper finger.
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BAf, you are SPOT ON.
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This gimmick concept has been around for a long time, and with all due respect to the OP who may seriously be trying to advance the safety of others... all the logic is flawed.
Clinical studies have repeatedly proven that the Human integrates with familiar tools as extensions of their body. Every see a MLB batter precisely measure the distance from the tip of his bat to his grip? no, they idex through familiarity. Ever see a pro tennis player look down at his racquet to check the angle of the head while swinging? Nope... again: familiarity through repeated use. In firearms, as the video notes in the opening, too many people overly state the "need" for gauges and guides to align a pistol in defensive shooting. This idea plays into that concept (at a significant cost!).
Please actuate the trigger with your index fingers. Please put as much of your hand on the grip as possible to manage recoil. The recommended "concept" allows neither.
-RJP
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For historical reference, this method was allegedly taught to the British SOE during WWII. It was also recommended for use with the Sidewinder SMG--an unusual SMG that braced against the bicep and could only be fired from below the line of sight (seen here on the cover of an old SOF magazine https://www.nsfsmagazine.com/secure/sofstore/covers/1975-1979/1979%20October.pdf).
From a biomechanical standpoint, it's important to understand that the middle, ring, and little fingers of the hand are all powered by the same muscle group. That's where the real strength of the grip lies. The index finger and thumb are separate, which is why we can naturally grip a pistol firmly, yet still have the ability to operate triggers and thumb safeties independently without compromising our grip. Operating the trigger with the middle finger will compromise your grip and reduce recoil management.
And, yes, sticking angle iron to the frame of your gun is ridiculous.
Stay safe,
Mike
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I have seen this "stuff" come and go throughout the years. Interesting from a training standpoint as I like to try anything new. But some stuff is an abject failure and needs to disappear. Let the cream rise to the top....
I recall a LONG time ago a guy at the Police Academy was pimping this middle finger trigger pulling stuff. Regardless of the data and experience from those who shoot for a living, he was promoting this as a lifesaving technique to shoot your pistola with. Odd duck.
Sometimes logic and sense is lost in these things.
Andy (who uses his middle finger for more important things...)
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I have seen this "stuff" come and go throughout the years. Interesting from a training standpoint as I like to try anything new. But some stuff is an abject failure and needs to disappear. Let the cream rise to the top....
I recall a LONG time ago a guy at the Police Academy was pimping this middle finger trigger pulling stuff. Regardless of the data and experience from those who shoot for a living, he was promoting this as a lifesaving technique to shoot your pistola with. Odd duck.
Sometimes logic and sense is lost in these things.
Andy (who uses his middle finger for more important things...)
To the CORNER with you, young man!
;D
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Oh yeah.. I am in the corner now/still! ....(note middle finger Haz....)
;)