The Down Range Forum
Member Section => Handguns => Topic started by: BAC on January 15, 2011, 08:01:44 PM
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I went to Gun World in Harrisville, PA (big shout out) today to bring the original grips for the Beretta 92 I have on consignment. When I got there they told me it was sold last week. The selection at the shop is very bare right now, with only a G19 w/stainless slide in stock. I wanted all black, so I took my check and left. After depositing the check I headed for the closest Gander Mountain. They had Glocks, but their prices were way high. I continued south to Washington, PA and Ace Sporting Goods (another big shout out), which has the largest selection of guns in western PA. I walked up to one of the many counters and encountered this:
(http://i416.photobucket.com/albums/pp244/bchiaravalle/P1155792.jpg)
(http://i416.photobucket.com/albums/pp244/bchiaravalle/P1155795.jpg)
(http://i416.photobucket.com/albums/pp244/bchiaravalle/P1155803.jpg)
(http://i416.photobucket.com/albums/pp244/bchiaravalle/P1155796.jpg)
(http://i416.photobucket.com/albums/pp244/bchiaravalle/P1155798.jpg)
(http://i416.photobucket.com/albums/pp244/bchiaravalle/P1155797.jpg)
(http://i416.photobucket.com/albums/pp244/bchiaravalle/P1155805.jpg)
Sorry, but the Glock will have to wait. ;D
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Wow, with ambi-safety to boot, front serrations, Trijicon sights, nice trigger. Good call. When in doubt, with the plastic fantastic, nothing beats a well made, out of the box Springfield 1911A1.
Beautiful grips. I'm a sucker for the wood. Great excuse to get more 47D Wilson Combat mags.
Very Nice.
Congratulations!
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No appologies necessary....I'm a 1911 fan(atic). LOL
Richard
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OK, so 47d Wilson Combat mags. Anything else I should get? It's my first 1911. Since it's a Springfield, it came with a holster. Of course it's right-handed and I'm not.
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Wow, with ambi-safety to boot, front serrations, Trijicon sights, nice trigger. Good call. When in doubt, with the plastic fantastic, nothing beats a well made, out of the box Springfield 1911A1.
Beautiful grips. I'm a sucker for the wood. Great excuse to get more 47D Wilson Combat mags.
Very Nice.
Congratulations!
Thanks!
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The only things I changed on my 1911 were the thumb safety, you already have an extended one and since you're a lefty you have use for the Ambi one, and the grips, I used Pachmyer signature's (wrap around rubber with rosewood inserts). I would change the GI sights on mine, but yours comes with Trijicons so I would say you re good to go.
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Beeee-U-tee-full 1911 there!!!
Love the black guns with wood panels.....stirs me a bit.... ;D
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Nice very nice. I have the SA loaded myself and its awesome.
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Anything else I should get? It's my first 1911.
Why yes,......yes there is,.... ::)
http://www.ammoengine.com/find/ammo/.45_ACP
http://www.ammoengine.com/find/store_frame/3828941?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.luckygunner.com%2Fm-b-i-45-acp-ammo-for-sale-45acp230fmjmbi-1000
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Congrats on your first 1911. Ya done good.
It looks like the only thing you really need is ammo and range time.
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And magazines, more magazines! ;D
Nice 1911, gorgeous in fact. Glad you were able to spit the kool aid out without swallowing any!!!! ;) ;D ;D ;D
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Congrats on your first 1911. Ya done good.
It looks like the only thing you really need is ammo and range time.
Ammo I can do. Range time is a bit trickier. Thanks for all the kind words, y'all. ;D
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Ammo I can do. Range time is a bit trickier. Thanks for all the kind words, y'all. ;D
Congrats, BAC. My first auto pistol was a Colt Gov. Model 70 and I still think the 1911 is the most striking and good looking sidearm out there.
Looks like it has everything really needed.
Two options some folks consider are an arched mainspring housing, which is purely a comfort/fit issue, and the other is getting the grip safety pinned, which is done by folks who worry about their weapon being disabled should then not manage to get a firm grip before they need to make a shot. Others worry more about the the gun firing when not intended.
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Question: How are the Springfield magazines? I just found a coupon that came with the 1911. I can get 7 round mags directly from Springfield for $12 and 10 rounders for $17. It's a one-time deal. Any feedback on the Springfield mags is greatly appreciated.
Thanks,
Brian
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I'm not a 1911 guy, but its hard to beat factory mags, and the price seems right. As far as mods? I'd put a few hundred rounds through it before messing with it. It really is a pretty gun (for a rust bucket). ;D
FQ13
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I've never had any problems with factory magazines. I've only had problems with one magazine - I believe it was a Star that came with one of the 1911s I bought second hand. I usually run eight round magazines in my 1911s.
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get em. Mags are mags. Plus I'm sure Springfield wouldn't endorse crappy mags.
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That the best looking Glock I ever saw. ;D
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Great looking. Makes me want to run out and get one. Good thing we're iced in.
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Great looking. Makes me want to run out and get one. Good thing we're iced in.
Still ?
Geeze, we got between 14 and 22 inches here Weds. day and streets and sidewalks were usable Thursday, bare on friday.
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Thanks for the input. Think I'll pick up a few of the Springfield magazines.
Yesterday I was hit with the irony of selling my Beretta 92 and buying a 1911. Guess I'm going backwards, huh?
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Thanks for the input. Think I'll pick up a few of the Springfield magazines.
Yesterday I was hit with the irony of selling my Beretta 92 and buying a 1911. Guess I'm going backwards, huh?
No,no and hell no! Maybe its just me, because guns are personal things. But, if I were given my choiceof which one to carry into combat between the 1911, the Glock and the Beretta; the Beretta would be a very distant third. IMHO, the Army should have either stuck with the 1911 or gone Glock, prefferably the latter, but either way a better pistol.YMMV.
FQ13
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Now Tom...they are southerners, ice & snow confuse them. Guy here at work was down over there the weekend for the Packers/Falcons game and he said watching them attempt to manuver through their side streets(most of the main drags were pretty good) was almost as much fun as watching the game. As far as he was concerned the only difficulty he had while driving was avoiding the locals who were "slip, sliding away".
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No,no and hell no! Maybe its just me, because guns are personal things. But, if I were given my choiceof which one to carry into combat between the 1911, the Glock and the Beretta; the Beretta would be a very distant third. IMHO, the Army should have either stuck with the 1911 or gone Glock, prefferably the latter, but either way a better pistol.YMMV.
FQ13
It was kind of a joke. That being said, there was nothing at all wrong with the Beretta. It was extremely accurate and absolutely 100% reliable for me. I would not hesitate to use it to defend my family. But as you said, it's a personal thing and I just wasn't in love with it. In other words, it was time for a change.
Like I posted, I had every intention of going into the store and coming out with a G19, but the Springfield sang to me and I LIKED THE SONG!
Someday I'll get to shoot it.
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Congrats on your Springer, Loaded model it looks like. Have a couple myself. I use McCormack mags (8 and 10 rounders) and have for years. I find them to be reliable and durable.
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Congrats on your Springer, Loaded model it looks like. Have a couple myself. I use McCormack mags (8 and 10 rounders) and have for years. I find them to be reliable and durable.
Yes, it's a loaded model (9109 or something like that). I must confess that I stopped at a range today in Ohio and rented a G26. I'll be getting a Glock one of these days. The place I stopped at was pretty cool. They have a 100 yard indoor rifle range!
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Nice purchase. I have looked at these a few time along with the Para Ordinance and STI.
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Finally stole a few minutes today to try out my new toy.
I'm digging how accurate it is. The trigger pull seems pretty heavy. There is an adjustment screw in the trigger, but I'm not sure what that adjusts. Overtravel? Couldn't find even a mention of it in the instructions.
I had 1 failure to feed on the second magazine, which kind of surprised me. I've never had one on any centerfire handgun I've owned that wasn't made by Bersa >:(. Not that I've owned a lot of them.
I had 2 other minor issues with it that are probably my fault. I noticed on the one that the magazine hanging down a little low. Either I didn't seat it fully, or I accidentally hit the eject with my big, fat fingers. Come to think of it, that could be the cause of the failure to feed?
All-in-all, I really enjoyed it. The recoil didn't seem to be any more that the Beretta 92. I can't really say much more, since I've only put 50 rounds through it, but I'm liking it so far!
My first 7 shots:
(http://i416.photobucket.com/albums/pp244/bchiaravalle/P1311582.jpg)
A decent 5 shot group, for me anyway :):
(http://i416.photobucket.com/albums/pp244/bchiaravalle/P1311584.jpg)
All shots were from 10 yards, off-hand, and it was cold!
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The adjustment screw in the trigger is for overtravel.
Make a mark on one of the mags with a sharpie to differentiate between them and shoot a bunch through it again. If you get a FTF again, note the magazine. Most FTF and tip-up malfunctions are magazine related. Some do come from the way you are holding the gun (limp-wristing can make one jam if you are not familiar with shooting 1911's).
Hitting the magazine release while firing would also cause a FTF. Double check your grip and make sure you are not contacting the button. I had that problem with a Colt .380 1911 (scaled down version) so I had to eventually out a stiffer spring and cut down the height of the button itself.
Most new, regular production run (non-custom) 1911's need to be 'shot in' for a few boxes of ammo to settle the parts down a bit.
Great looking gun.....I think it'll be OK once you get it broke in and get used to it...Congrats again.
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The adjustment screw in the trigger is for overtravel.
Make a mark on one of the mags with a sharpie to differentiate between them and shoot a bunch through it again. If you get a FTF again, note the magazine. Most FTF and tip-up malfunctions are magazine related. Some do come from the way you are holding the gun (limp-wristing can make one jam if you are not familiar with shooting 1911's).
Hitting the magazine release while firing would also cause a FTF. Double check your grip and make sure you are not contacting the button. I had that problem with a Colt .380 1911 (scaled down version) so I had to eventually out a stiffer spring and cut down the height of the button itself.
Most new, regular production run (non-custom) 1911's need to be 'shot in' for a few boxes of ammo to settle the parts down a bit.
Great looking gun.....I think it'll be OK once you get it broke in and get used to it...Congrats again.
Thanks Peg!
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OK, so I took the 1911 to the range again today while the wifey was trying her new revolver. I'm getting frustrated with the failures to feed. I got an FTF at least once every mag full of ammo, and it's happening with both magazines. I was very cautious not to limp wrist the pistol or hit the magazine release. It seems the rounds are getting hung up on the feed ramp.
I've put 100 rounds of WWB through it and it's not getting better. How long should I try to break this thing in before returning it to the dealer to have it looked at (they give a lifetime warranty)? It's doubly annoying because, other than not feeding, I REALLY LOVE THIS THING! The trigger is much better already, the sights are fantastic, and as fast as I can pull the trigger (and rack the slide...grrrr) all 7 rounds hit in the 10 ring from 7 yards. On one mag 6 of the holes were touching and the 7th was about 1/2" away. ;D
P.S. I do have a Dremel, but that's out of the question.
Thoughts?
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Are they wedging against the feed ramp without coming out of the magazine (most likely) or are they getting caught on the lip of the barrel throat (if you can tell)?
If they are getting wedged against the feed ramp of the frame with the cartridge about half to two-thirds out of the mag, it sounds like the magazine lips may be a bit tight.....but normally you only have that problem with a single 'odd' magazine.
Pull the slide off the frame and insert a loaded mag and see how they strip out of the mag with your thumb to see if they hit the ramp at an odd angle.
Any way you can post pics of the feed ramp?
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Are they wedging against the feed ramp without coming out of the magazine (most likely) or are they getting caught on the lip of the barrel throat (if you can tell)?
If they are getting wedged against the feed ramp of the frame with the cartridge about half to two-thirds out of the mag, it sounds like the magazine lips may be a bit tight.....but normally you only have that problem with a single 'odd' magazine.
Pull the slide off the frame and insert a loaded mag and see how they strip out of the mag with your thumb to see if they hit the ramp at an odd angle.
Any way you can post pics of the feed ramp?
This was the best picture of the feed ramp I could get on short notice.
(http://i416.photobucket.com/albums/pp244/bchiaravalle/P2121771.jpg)
I haven't been able to clean it yet. Unfortunately I rubbed my finger against the feed ramp before taking the picture. The lighter spots were actually horizontal lines running up the feed ramp like rungs on a ladder. I thought maybe they were caused by the round not gliding smoothly up the feed ramp? I didn't really see if they were getting hung up on the feed ramp or the barrel throat. I had a camera with me (I always have a camera with me ;D) but didn't think to take a photo of one of the FTFs.
Thanks for the help, Peg!
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OK, so I took the 1911 to the range again today while the wifey was trying her new revolver. I'm getting frustrated with the failures to feed. I got an FTF at least once every mag full of ammo, and it's happening with both magazines. I was very cautious not to limp wrist the pistol or hit the magazine release. It seems the rounds are getting hung up on the feed ramp.
I've put 100 rounds of WWB through it and it's not getting better. How long should I try to break this thing in before returning it to the dealer to have it looked at (they give a lifetime warranty)? It's doubly annoying because, other than not feeding, I REALLY LOVE THIS THING! The trigger is much better already, the sights are fantastic, and as fast as I can pull the trigger (and rack the slide...grrrr) all 7 rounds hit in the 10 ring from 7 yards. On one mag 6 of the holes were touching and the 7th was about 1/2" away. ;D
P.S. I do have a Dremel, but that's out of the question.
Thoughts?
You know bac, thats an easily fixed problem. I had that happen with my G19, (the pistol you originally set out to buy), oh, wait I didn't, it feeds perfectly. ;D My advice, either get the dealer to take care of it for you if it does have a lifetime warranty (no sense messing around with something the factory will fix for free), or alternatively sell that rust bucket and get the Glock you intended to buy in the first place. It may be ugly and have no "soul", but it will always go bang and you'll never have to post an embarrasing question like "How do I make my brand new pistol shoot reliably?". ;D
FQ13 who thinks about cleaning his Glock, remembers that I did it last year and that should be good enough, and smiles at what I see to be the ultimate answer to the Glock versus 1911 argument contained in your question. ;)
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That's a fairly rough ramp.
Looks like a little copper on the middle area (arrow in my copy of your pic).
Here are a couple of pics of my 20 year old Colt with a 19 year old polish on it. Sorry for the low quality, but the light and flash made it hard to get the right angle to catch the surface just right. All I used was red jewelers rouge and a cotton buffing wheel on a Dremel tool.
And pay no attention to FQ.... ;D ....it is true the Glocks are mostly good to go right out of the box, but every 1911 I've ever owned was too. The polishing on mine was just 'added insurance'. Maybe yours was just a little rougher than normal. The last 1911 I bought was a Springfield Loaded Match and it was pretty smooth out of the box and scary accurate with WWB. It has not been touched and loads everything I put in the mags.
And for the record, I polished the ramp on my Glock 27 also. :P
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You know bac, thats an easily fixed problem. I had that happen with my G19, (the pistol you originally set out to buy), oh, wait I didn't, it feeds perfectly. ;D My advice, either get the dealer to take care of it for you if it does have a lifetime warranty (no sense messing around with something the factory will fix for free), or alternatively sell that rust bucket and get the Glock you intended to buy in the first place. It may be ugly and have no "soul", but it will always go bang and you'll never have to post an embarrasing question like "How do I make my brand new pistol shoot reliably?". ;D
FQ13 who thinks about cleaning his Glock, remembers that I did it last year and that should be good enough, and smiles at what I see to be the ultimate answer to the Glock versus 1911 argument contained in your question. ;)
Ummm...SHUT UP! You're not helping.
If I do get a Glock (I'm hoping for a 23 now), I'm not going to turn into a pompous a%#, am I? 'Cause if that's the case, I'll get an XD. ;)
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Ummm...SHUT UP! You're not helping.
If I do get a Glock (I'm hoping for a 23 now), I'm not going to turn into a pompous a%#, am I? 'Cause if that's the case, I'll get an XD. ;)
Turning into a pompous ass is a small price to pay for owning a Glock. It is, after all, perfection. Says so right on the box, and who are we to argue with Gaston? ;D Seriously, I think that you can easily fix your issues by just sending it back to the factory, its probably a mag issue or maybe a problem with polishing the feed ramp. Either way they should be able to fix it and you might even get a free hat ;). Equally seriously, buy the damn Glock next time. Its the AK of pistols, you just can't screw it up. Excuse me for being a pompous ass ;D, but I'll be a pompous ass that puts my money where my mouth is. Ten bucks to the first guy who posts about a failure to feed from a well maintained Glock using factory ammo. Somehow, I think I'll keep that ten bucks in my wallet. If not, I'll cheerfully pay. I don't welsh on a bet.I wish you well with getting this fixed, and I really doubt it will take too much effort. Honestly, just a few millimeters off can cause this sort of problem. A "fluff and buff" should fix it.
FQ13
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The "step" between your fed ramp and chamber looks much more pronounced than on the picture Peg posted of his.
Look close at the 2 pictures, you will see that the mouth of Peg's chamber is beveled while yours is at a square angle.
Have a competent smith polish the ramp and chamber mouth and you should be good to go.
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I'm going to call Springfield Armory on Monday.
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I'm going to call Springfield Armory on Monday.
That would be the best first step, IMHO.
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Well I took the 1911 into Ace Sporting goods tonight on my way to Columbus. I was thinking they could send it back to Springfield Armory for me. The guy I spoke to had their gunsmith take a look at it. It turns out there was a broken part on the pistol. See if you can find what's missing in the photo below:
(http://i416.photobucket.com/albums/pp244/bchiaravalle/P1155803.jpg)
The end of the part that holds the slide stop in place (sorry I don't know the proper name for it) was broken off.
He replaced the part and shot a couple mags of ammo through it without a hiccup. I was in and out in 20 minutes! I'm really liking this place. Will let you know after I get to a range if that fixed it.
P.S. That reminded me of the time I was at a range that had a Glock 19 rental gun with a broken slide stop. The slide locked open after every round fired. But Glocks never break! They're perfect. ;)
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It would be very easy to overlook that plunger. I'm glad it was something that simple.
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Damn, BAC....glad the problem was found and is an easy fix. :D :D
And now I'm really mad that I didn't think of that........and not because it stands out or anything, but because of an experience 20 years ago at a gun show. I missed a chance at a Colt Gold Cup for $300 because of the same problem (guy didn't know what he had and just wanted to dump the "piece of junk" !!!!) but wouldn't take a personal check.
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Damn, BAC....glad the problem was found and is an easy fix. :D :D
And now I'm really mad that I didn't think of that........and not because it stands out or anything, but because of an experience 20 years ago at a gun show. I missed a chance at a Colt Gold Cup for $300 because of the same problem (guy didn't know what he had and just wanted to dump the "piece of junk" !!!!) but wouldn't take a personal check.
Ouch. A Gold Cup for $300? Bummer about the check.
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Ouch. A Gold Cup for $300? Bummer about the check.
I don't guess I can blame the guy really. I probably wouldn't have taken a check from a total stranger either. The guy didn't know much about guns, but he had a Remington 700 in 30-06 and the Gold Cup. He said a guy owed him $700 for some construction work that he did and then couldn't pay for it after the work was done, so he gave him the guns in exchange. Crappy thing is, I had the cash earlier but had bought a bunch of other stuff and was down to around $100 cash.
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OK, this is probably my last post on the subject. I went to a range today and was able to shoot 50 rounds of really expensive cheap reloaded range ammo. No problems, no issues, just a lot of fun! I believe it's fixed.
Here's the obligatory picture of my target:
(http://i416.photobucket.com/albums/pp244/bchiaravalle/2011-02-16170524.jpg)
That was the last 22 rounds from 7 yards. The room key is for reference, and to prove that I did in fact stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night (and tonight, and tomorrow night). I am in love! :)
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AAAHH, so THAT"S how it's done, never practice , just stay at a Holiday Inn Express the night before range day ! ;D
Nice group. ;D
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AAAHH, so THAT"S how it's done, never practice , just stay at a Holiday Inn Express the night before range day ! ;D
Nice group. ;D
Works for me. ;D and thanks!
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It's obviously still broken! You missed the room key completely... ;D
Send it to me, I'll check it out for ya...
Horrible group, really horrible.....tighten it up a bit, will ya!
;)
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When did Holiday Inn get shooting ranges? I may use them more now. ;D
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When did Holiday Inn get shooting ranges? I may use them more now. ;D
In some cities they are the shooting ranges.
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It's obviously still broken! You missed the room key completely... ;D
Send it to me, I'll check it out for ya...
Horrible group, really horrible.....tighten it up a bit, will ya!
;)
If it had been a Glock...
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OK, this is probably my last post on the subject. I went to a range today and was able to shoot 50 rounds of really expensive cheap reloaded range ammo. No problems, no issues, just a lot of fun! I believe it's fixed.
Here's the obligatory picture of my target:
(http://i416.photobucket.com/albums/pp244/bchiaravalle/2011-02-16170524.jpg)
That was the last 22 rounds from 7 yards. The room key is for reference, and to prove that I did in fact stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night (and tonight, and tomorrow night). I am in love! :)
Now das what I'm talkin' 'bout, Willis!!!! ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Sweet!!!. Glad you got up and running.
* I did not stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night,...*
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Excellent. Glad to see you back up and running. Now quit picking on Glocks cause you may hurt my feeling. :'(
Nevermind, LOL.
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Well I sent the 1911 in for the 3rd time today. It's still not functioning reliably. I called them yesterday, gave them the repair number from the last time and told them what was happening with it. The guy on the phone told me they didn't have any of that information when the dealer sent it in for me. Apparently they just sent it in for "repair" without any description of the problem. Probably thought they were humoring me since they said there was nothing wrong with it.
Anyway, I had to call them back today because the FEDEX label that they were supposed to email me yesterday never came. Turns out the man I spoke to yesterday spelled my name wrong - my first name, the easy one. He also mis-spelled the name of my town.
All I need now is a job and some money and I can get that Glock. Maybe one in .45ACP to replace the 1911 I payed for but never knew. >:(
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"The guy on the phone told me they didn't have any of that information when the dealer sent it in for me."
Sounds frustratiing. The dealer should have named every malf that he ever heard of, or been VERY specific explaining the problem.
What is the gun doing now?
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Hate to hear that BAC. Hope you will be able to get it all squared away.
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"The guy on the phone told me they didn't have any of that information when the dealer sent it in for me."
Sounds frustratiing. The dealer should have named every malf that he ever heard of, or been VERY specific explaining the problem.
What is the gun doing now?
Same thing it was doing last time. It seems that rounds aren't seating fully and the slide isn't closing all the way.
Like so:
(http://i416.photobucket.com/albums/pp244/bchiaravalle/2011-04-07134214.jpg)
I need to learn more about this stuff, so I'm taking a correspondence course on gunsmithing. Very much like trying to learn surgery over the internet, I know, but it's a start.
I explained everything in great detail at the dealer, and the guy just said to the gunsmith it was an FTF. He (the gunsmith) shot a couple rounds through it and it didn't happen (of course). He was trying to tell me it was the ammunition (happened with every kind I tried) or my technique (I don't limp wrist) causing the problem, but he said he'd look at it. After a couple weeks I called and they had just sent it out to Springfield. Turns out the poor guy had been out with kidney stones pretty much since my visit (ouch).
Anyway, it came back shortly after that, which brings us to this week. It irks me that they just sent it off without any explanation at all. Springfield did replace the plunger tube, but that didn't fix the problem.
I included a letter explaining everything wrong, how frustrated I am, and also that I didn't like the trigger pull. Maybe I'll get a free trigger job out of it. ;)
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I've seen extractors that were too tight cause this a couple of times.....as well as some other tolerance issues with the barrel/slide fit. Hard to tell without holding it.
Man, this one gun is making me red-faced for you, BAC.........sorry for your troubles. :( :(
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I feel your pain Bac. I had a computer like that. WHEN it ran, it ran great (kind of like that group you posted). The key word was WHEN. When I got to know the CompUSA repair guys well enough to ask how that hot date they went on two weeks ago went, I decided to buy a new one. It just wasn't worth it. Gunbroker was made for these problems. Sell the damn thing and buy a Glock, or a Sig or a whatever. Its just proven to be more trouble than its worth.
FQ13 who has owned 3 Glocks over 19 years years and only took one to a gunsmith once, and that was to fix a busted rear sight.
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That's the thing with 1911's it seems. I've owned several but the only one I kept was the Rock Island I have now.
It's the only one I've trusted enough to carry.