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Member Section => Handguns => Topic started by: Gunmart on January 17, 2011, 03:56:09 PM
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See it here:
http://gunmart.blogspot.com/2011/01/taurus-raging-judge.html
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Wouldn't that be considered a SBS, AOW, or a DD?
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I don't see it any other way, unless the barrel is rifled. But I can't think of why. No commercial bullets of this caliber are available.
Brian
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I thought you couldn't get a handgun in any caliber larger than .50. ???
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I thought you couldn't get a handgun in any caliber larger than .50. ???
nope. anything bigger then .700" is a destructive device. shot guns get around this as they have thier own rules.
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That would make it either an undersize shot gun or an oversize pistol . You probably will not see it in stores with out a Supreme Court case just like TC/A had over the 45/410.
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60+ ounces, unloaded? Heck of a hog leg. Ammo is pretty steep...
What's next? A semi auto version? ???
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Why not 20 ga?? or 12 :o ::)
It has to be a rifled barrel, but I don't know what the minimum twist rate is. 1 in 900" would be as good a smooth.
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60+ ounces, unloaded? Heck of a hog leg. Ammo is pretty steep...
What's next? A semi auto version? ???
the smith x frame with a the 10" barrel weighs about 100 oz empty with a scope.
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a 28 gauge PISTOL? Why? Do they even MAKE slugs and buckshot in 28 Ga? Now a 12 or 20 ga model I wouldn't mind. ;)
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What is the diameter of a 28 ga ? That may be the answer to why. It may be just under the limit.
12 or 20 Ga. are too large a diameter for practical purposes. The diameter of the cylinder would be to large . Also, the recoil would be unmanageable.
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the bore on 28 ga is .550" 20 is .615" 16 is is .662" 12 is .729" 10 is .775"
Its been awhile, but I'm pretty sure those are correct. 67 ga, should be .411", but over then years it some how became .410"
remember the ga was deteremed by the number of pure lead balls that could be cast from 1 lb of lead. so 12 ga for example you can pore 12 balls of bore diamerter of pure lead. In the olden days they actually did it, now we use constants.
It should be noted that, the bore is measured 9" from the breach face. shot guns barrels are tapered. you litterly roll them on a mandrill.
<<<< knows his shot gun stuff.
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Revolving handcannon. ;D
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… and the S&W "Governor":
(http://gunnuts.files.wordpress.com/2011/01/20110117-105525.jpg)
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Only shot for upland game on the 28 ga. Paraklese Techologies make some good 12/20/16/410 defensive ammo but no 28.
http://www.paraklesetechnologies.com
CD
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a 28 gauge PISTOL? Why? Do they even MAKE slugs and buckshot in 28 Ga? Now a 12 or 20 ga model I wouldn't mind. ;)
Only if you can afford the gunbearer, 'cause I ain't carrying it. On the other hand, an O/U in 20 gauge would be just the ticket. Sounds like a sawed off to me, but if all you have to do to be legal is rifle it and market some BS .61 caliber pistol cartridge to go with it....... ;D. Who cares if the pistol round cost's $200 a box?No one's going to buy it and you don't care. Just make and market a few cases to keep ATf happy (happyish?). Sell it with a 4 5/8" barrel with an undermounted rail. Yes please!
FQ13
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Zombies - my universal reason for all purchases for anything "over-powered." Why buy the Raging Judge? Zombies.
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(http://i812.photobucket.com/albums/zz50/billt460/SerbuSuperShorty.jpg)
Just go with one of these and be done with it. Bill T.
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Thats a sweet mini pump. I'll take two of those please. ;D
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Thats a sweet mini pump. I'll take two of those please. ;D
2 will set you back $1,450 including shipping. http://www.serbu.com/top/superShorty.php They used to make a 20 gauge too IIRC.
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2 will set you back $1,450 including shipping. http://www.serbu.com/top/superShorty.php They used to make a 20 gauge too IIRC.
20 sounds like a much better idea. At across the room distance with buck, there is little difference (you just lose a few pellets, 2 I think) and recoil s much more manageble.
FQ13
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20 sounds like a much better idea. At across the room distance with buck, there is little difference (you just lose a few pellets, 2 I think) and recoil s much more manageble.
FQ13
The recoil on these things isn't an issue. Bill T.
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The recoil on these things isn't an issue. Bill T.
Not according to MB. It kicks like a mule. Also, the $1400 doesn't include ATF Tax and 6 months waiting for paperwork.
http://www.downrange.tv/forum/index.php?topic=2305.0
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Also, the $1400 doesn't include ATF Tax and 6 months waiting for paperwork.
They're not $1,400.00. They are $705.00. The ATF Tax Stamp is for a AOW, (Any Other Weapon), and costs only $5. Most are processed in less than 60 days. Bill T.
"12-gauge shotgun which came from the factory with a pistol grip. Because of this, the SUPER-SHORTY is considered an AOW (Any Other Weapon) and can be transferred with a $5 stamp!"
http://www.serbu.com/legacy/shorty.htm
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The $1400 was for the 2 mentioned in the previous post. Correct about the $5 tax. As for 60 days, tell it to Bane who waited longer than that.
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As for 60 days, tell it to Bane who waited longer than that.
That pretty much depends on where you live. Here Joe Arpaio is considered to be the "Chief Law Enforcement Officer" of Maricopa County, not the Phoenix Chief Of Police. Everything ATF related goes through him. Silencers, full auto, SBR, etc. He is pro Second Amendment, and signs off on this stuff quickly. Bill T.
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The more you get the faster they become.
I have a relative thats on his 14th stamp. the 1st took 8 months, the 8th or 9th only took 16 days. from about 5 on its averaged about a month.
Its feds he is waiting on, not the local LEA. that stuff gets signed off the same day they get the paper work.
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Did hear that the ATF has put a stop on the 28ga Judge and the .410 Mare's Leg as they try and figure it all out.
CD
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Did hear that the ATF has put a stop on the 28ga Judge and the .410 Mare's Leg as they try and figure it all out.
CD
I saw something to that effect this morning but I do not remember where and I can't find it now.
If I run across it again I will post a link.
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Did hear that the ATF has put a stop on the 28ga Judge and the .410 Mare's Leg as they try and figure it all out.
CD
Can't really blame them. These guns do make a mockery of the sawed off shotgun ban. Trouble is, the ban is already a mockery. If you are a law abiding citizen and need one (say a convience store clerk) you can't have one. If you are a crook and willing to commit murder and armed robery, you can make one in about 30 seconds for the price of a hacksaw. Of all the idiotic gun restrictions on the books this has got to make the top five. It is unenforceable on its face.
FQ13
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I heard that on one of Jeff Quinn's Shot videos. The mares leg should be easy to get approved. Just rifle the barrel and give the ability to shoot .45 Colt. Works for the Bond derringer, the Judge and the Governor. Mare's leg is Manufactured as a pistol right? So are the .357's, .44's and 45's of the same gun.
I wouldn't mind a 45/410 Mare's leg. ;D
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Via MB on Twitter:
MichaelBane MichaelBane
Late word is ATF has CAPPED the Taurus 28 gauge Raging Judge revolver...
(word is that they capped the SBR Rossi Lever 410 also!)
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No great loss on the Taurus, I mean a 4 plus pound 7" revolver is too big for SD and I see no other use for it. Shame about the Mare's leg though. Still, both SHOULD be legal. There is zero reason to ban them. Just another example of how prohibition of guns or drugs eats away at individual rights. Al Capone is probably laughing.
FQ13
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I could see a VERY good need for the Rossi, hell I wanted one for the truck! (for the zombies, dammit! Just in case the redneck landmines didn't work!)
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If you are a crook and willing to commit murder and armed robery, you can make one in about 30 seconds for the price of a hacksaw. Of all the idiotic gun restrictions on the books this has got to make the top five. It is unenforceable on its face.
FQ13
You think they BUY the hacksaw???