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Member Section => Down Range Cafe => Topic started by: fightingquaker13 on January 19, 2011, 09:33:32 PM
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I got this of of Drudge. A man wrote "1 down 534 to go" after the Tuscon shoting. He also suggested just tageting pols, not civilians. Next thing, the cops are at his door taking his guns. >:( WTF? Granted this is outside of Boston, but still, WTF? Be afraid Tom, they are coming for you next. :o
FQ13
Here's the link from CBS news
http://boston.cbslocal.com/2011/01/18/arlington-man-loses-gun-license-due-to-blog-about-tucson-shooting/
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I don't agree or condone what he said, but the greater evil here is the government reaction to his post.
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I don't agree or condone what he said, but the greater evil here is the government reaction to his post.
Ageed. Its not like there was a threat or apparently any history of threatening behavior. He wasn't a member of any fringe group. The statement was in poor taste, but perfectly legal. He wsn't even held for questioning much less charged. But boom, rights and property removed. This is beyond unacceptable.
FQ13
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He hasn't been arrested and doesn't face any charges, so why did they confiscate his guns?
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He hasn't been arrested and doesn't face any charges, so why did they confiscate his guns?
Because, as of this writing, it's allowed by law in Massachusetts. They can revoke your LTC on a whim.
If the people of Massachusetts want change, they have to vote for it or take the case to the Supreme Judicial Court of MA, where they WILL lose and then press the SCOTUS to hear the case.
Their firearms laws are a clear as mud.
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Illinois is much the same way. In order to OWN a firearm you must first be in possession of a current, valid, Illinois FOID Card, (Firearm Owners Identification Card). You must apply to the state to get this, and it is totally up to them to issue it. If you let it expire, you are then in illegal possession of a firearm (s), and they can, and have confiscated them based on that alone. It simply gives them a reason to do what they want to do in the first place by skirting around the Second Amendment. The law is still firmly in place in spite of the Brady Law. They put you through a criminal background check before they issue one. Brady does the same everytime you buy a gun. Illinois has no carry law. So with Brady in place there is no need for a FOID Card. No matter, it's still there.
Since this whole Tuscon thing, and all of the political accusations and repercussions from it, politicians and law enforcement are getting paranoid. If you make any kind of statement that they think is threatening, there are going to be consequences, be they legal or not. They are playing off of fear, rhetoric, and everything else. The more liberal the state, the worse this will get. Look at New Orleans under Blanco and Nagan after Katrina. Same deal. Yeah, there were consequences afterward. But then it's too late. Your guns are gone. And if you get them back they'll be damaged and Electro Penciled up with markings everywhere, and there won't be a thing you can do about it.
While it is this guys right to say whatever he wants, it was stupid at this point in time for him to do so publicly. Now as a result his guns are gone, he's out big money, and he's got a mess on his hands that will more than likely cost him still more money to get straightened out. All for what? Testing the waters of his Constitutional rights. Kind of pointless. People are getting crazier by the day. Bill T.
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Did any of you read his blog that day?
Did any of you reads his wit and wisdom to people who commented on his blog?
Tam had linked to it on Sunday but the website is blocked now.
Personally I would not walk a cross the street to piss on him if he was on fire.
Either he is so brillant that his humor is lost on me or he may just be nuttier than the shooter in AZ. If he was just trying to get a rise of The Man, he got his wsh.
I put his in the same catagory as defending a Klan rally. It might be the right thing to do but I feel like taking a shower just thinking about it.
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Did any of you read his blog that day?
Did any of you reads his wit and wisdom to people who commented on his blog?
Tam had linked to it on Sunday but the website is blocked now.
Personally I would not walk a cross the street to piss on him if he was on fire.
Either he is so brillant that his humor is lost on me or he may just be nuttier than the shooter in AZ. If he was just trying to get a rise of The Man, he got his wsh.
I put his in the same catagory as defending a Klan rally. It might be the right thing to do but I feel like taking a shower just thinking about it.
You have me there, I just went off the news story, figuring CBS Boston would spin it as negatively as possible. If there is more to the story I will stand corrected.
FQ13
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You have me there, I just went off the news story, figuring CBS Boston would spin it as negatively as possible. If there is more to the story I will stand corrected.
FQ13
FQ13,
I wish they had left up the website but Live Journal appears to have taken away his soap box.
While I dislike doeing it I'll paraphrase what I saw.
Death to Tyrants
She voted for Obamacare
Obamacare is Tyranny
Death to tyrants
Anyone who voted for Obamacare is a tyrant
Freeman should kill tyrants
Any law I do not like is tyranny.
All government is tyranny.
Death to tyrants. When you shoot them don't hit other folks.
Anyone who disagrees with me is a stupid lapdog or a tool of tyrants.
Call the police you tyrants there is nothing they can do to me.
If you want a piece of me here I am.
If it was suppose to be some Andy Kaufman like skit the punchline never showed up.
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I'd like to see exactly what was said.
Before I pass judgment on this.
he could have very well steped over the line where free speach ends and other stuff starts...
yelling fire in a theater for example.
then again it could have been a over reaction from the goverment.
the odds are 50/50
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I'd like to see exactly what was said.
Before I pass judgment on this.
he could have very well steped over the line where free speach ends and other stuff starts...
yelling fire in a theater for example.
then again it could have been a over reaction from the goverment.
the odds are 50/50
I agree But I don't have a problem sending someone to see if he was off his meds.
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I'm mixed on that.
I think wellness checks are both good and bad. I've seen them go both ways.
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Here is another point of view on the gentleman
http://borepatch.blogspot.com/2011/01/i-am-tjic.html
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Here is a man that has just learned a valuable lesson: Electronic media is public, and posting on electronic media is a public statement. Don't say stupid stuff in public unless you are willing to be held accountable for it because you will! People in many industries and levels of management or line work have lost their jobs over this type of thing.
Why would they take his guns while investigating - Ask the Cat ;) Standard procedure. Law enforcement has the power to remove weapons from those they are dealing with. In a case like this it is an on going investigation. Given the stand of most on here concerning "Enforce the current laws before enacting more" what would we say if they left the guns in his possession, and he went Tuscon on us?
Big Brother, Old Biddy busy body, town gossip, who knows what spurred the investigation, but the guy was stupid, and he got caught. Is there good in this? Hopefully more people will realize that "You can't shout fire in a crowded theater."
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I'd like to see exactly what was said.
Before I pass judgment on this.
he could have very well steped over the line where free speach ends and other stuff starts...
yelling fire in a theater for example.
then again it could have been a over reaction from the goverment.
the odds are 50/50
I've posted some pretty inflammatory stuff over the years, but I usually lay out my reasoning, and legal or historic precedent to support my thinking.
Mass, like NY, is a political cesspool and always has been, that's why the revolution started there. Not because the colonists were any more "Patriotic" than else where, but because they were the ones most crapped on and the first ones to be subjected to arms seizures.
Like TAB, I would want more information before coming to a conclusion. For example, how this post fits in context with his previous blogs. In light of the Tucson shooting I am of 2 opinions, if he was a nut case case then it's good that he has been rendered potentially, less dangerous. On the other hand, the "Kill Bush" crowds sudden condemnation of "Violent Political rhetoric" leaves me very suspicious.
FQ13,
I wish they had left up the website but Live Journal appears to have taken away his soap box.
While I dislike doeing it I'll paraphrase what I saw.
Death to Tyrants
She voted for Obamacare
Obamacare is Tyranny
Death to tyrants
Anyone who voted for Obamacare is a tyrant
Freeman should kill tyrants
Any law I do not like is tyranny.
All government is tyranny.
Death to tyrants. When you shoot them don't hit other folks.
Anyone who disagrees with me is a stupid lapdog or a tool of tyrants.
Call the police you tyrants there is nothing they can do to me.
If you want a piece of me here I am.
If it was suppose to be some Andy Kaufman like skit the punchline never showed up.
Kind of blew that one though, didn't he ? ;D
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In his blog Corcoran writes, “It is absolutely, absolutely unacceptable to shoot indiscriminately. Target only politicians and their staff and leave regular citizens alone.”
Taking into account his headline the above sentences are a signal of a very credible threat in my opinion. Hopefully he will be cleared, but he pushed his freedom of speech when he obviously was not ready to back it up.
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I heard of it on the radio the other day before it went national. From what I heard, which was a "quote" from the blog, was pretty inflammatory in nature and considering he said it in direct response to the shooting, I'd say he overstepped...
I'm no 1st Amendment scholar but I've toned down my own rhetoric. I prefer to stay somewhat anonymous and I live in an area that's in the middle of the battlefield in spite of the major firearms manufacturing presence in Connecticut.
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Taking into account his headline the above sentences are a signal of a very credible threat in my opinion. Hopefully he will be cleared, but he pushed his freedom of speech when he obviously was not ready to back it up.
unless that was taken way out of context. That would throw up red flags for me if I was in charge of security for some one.
I don't know what else was said or if things were said before. At the very least a comment like that would make me do some digging.
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out of context is such a dangerous thing these days.
Don't know if it was or wasn't, but shouldn't matter for 2A rights.
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out of context is such a dangerous thing these days.
Don't know if it was or wasn't, but shouldn't matter for 2A rights.
I disagree with that.
If you have made a creditable public threat against some one, then you have opened up yourself to law enforcment intervention.
rahter or not thats what happen here is the question.
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In his blog Corcoran writes, “It is absolutely, absolutely unacceptable to shoot indiscriminately. Target only politicians and their staff and leave regular citizens alone.”
I have to ask .As Ratcatcher mentioned, his post is no longer available. What is wrong with that statement ? Is it untrue ? Leaving aside the right or wrong of a politicians stand on any given issue, if they have a citizen PO'd enough to shoot at them does that justify mowing down people who just came to see the Politician ? I think not.
Which makes that statement not threatening, but simple truth.
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Freedom of speech, yes. But this falls into the category of yelling FIRE in a crowded building. Bill T.