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Member Section => Politics & RKBA => Topic started by: twyacht on January 21, 2011, 03:57:18 AM
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http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2011/01/house_passes_obamacare_repeal.html
Missed it in the MSM...Gee.... :-\
January 20, 2011
House passes Obamacare repeal: on to the Senate
Rick Moran
The House passed a measure that repeals Obamacare with a 245-189 vote. This represents a far larger margin of victory than proponents of health care reform got when they passed it in the first place.
Is this really a "symbolic" victory? We'll see. Even if the senate doesn't act on the bill, the statement has been made. This is important because even the Supreme Court is not immune to politics. A likely 5-4 vote on the constitutionality of the individual mandate is going to need all the political push it can get to convince wavering justices that the real will of the people is to rid us of this monstrosity.
Meanwhile, Mitch McConnell us assuring the GOP House members that he will get a vote in the senate on repeal:
Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) said he would "assure" a Senate vote on legislation to undo Democrats' healthcare reform law, despite Senate Democrats' opposition to holding such a vote.
"I want to congratulate our colleagues in the House on this important first step. I hope the Senate will soon follow suit with a vote of its own," McConnell said in a video release following the successful 245-189 vote in the House to repeal the healthcare law.
"The Democratic leadership in the Senate doesn't want to vote on this bill," McConnell added. "But I assure you, we will."
Those assurances are a bold move by McConnell, who leads a larger Republican conference in the Senate, but still one that's in the minority. Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) has wide discretion in setting the Senate's calendar, and he's indicated little interest in bringing up repeal for a vote.
Reid's been locked in a battle with House Majority Leader Eric Cantor (R-Va.) over the issue of bringing up Republicans' newly-passed bill in the Senate. Cantor's argued that if Reid is so confident that such legislation wouldn't pass the Senate, he should bring it up for a vote anyway.
Cantor has a point. Put your money where you mouth is, Harry. Of course, Reid is reluctant to bring repeal to a vote because there are 23 Democratic senators up for re-election who will have to go back to the home folks and explain why they didn't vote to get rid of this white elephant while there was still time.
That is going to be a very hard sell come 2012.
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Can't have those Senators, actually get on the record defending what the majority of the country didn't enjoy getting rammed down our throats.
In case you were wondering:
* Kent Conrad of North Dakota. Blue Senator, Red State. Up for re-election in 2012.
* Claire McCaskill of Missouri. Blue Senator, Red State. Up for re-election in 2012.
* Ben Nelson of Nebraska. Blue Senator, Red State. Up for re-election in 2012.
* Bill Nelson of Florida. Blue Senator, Red State. Up for re-election in 2012.
* Jon Tester of Montana. Blue Senator, Red State. Up for re-election in 2012.
* Jim Webb of Virginia. Blue Senator, Red State. Up for re-election in 2012.
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BTW, Conrad
has seen the writing on the wall has decided his lengthy tenure means it's time for him to retire, so he will not be running in 2012. It is public.
The seat will go pubbie, but it will likely be a soft pubbie.
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That's all well and good, but the Republicans are pissing me off now.
Health care bill, now they're working on abortion funding....they JUST DON"T GET IT.
They all got swept into office because a lot of people don't have JOBS. JOBS JOBS JOBS JOBS JOBS!!!!
As soon as the election pressure is over they slip right back into their "Screw the Democrats" mode.
The Dems are asshats, but have you ever LISTENED to Mitch McConnel speak? What a pompous, self inflated jack-wagon (thanks for that one, Gunnie!).
I don't think there's a one of them that's worth the bus ticket home.
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I'm hoping Tester and Webb make it. They are both good guys who "get it". Tester is a rancher and has gone to bat for the 2A early and often. It was him and his Mt. colleague Baucus, also a Dem, that allowed sales of military brass to continue. Webb is a thoughtful statesman and the best friend the military has had in the Senate is a long time. And by friend, I mean someone who is willing to say no when its the right thing to do. He was a Marine grunt in Nam with a Navy Cross and Secretary of the Navy under Reagan and made it a habit of irritating the "perfumed princes" of the pentagon. He knows both sides of it. Read one of his books if you think he doesn't understand what's going on. "Fields of Fire" is a classic for reason, its one of the best books on Vietnam out there. His non-fiction works on the Scots-Irish in America show a real understanding of the working man. This guy understands the real America. I would submit that they are both worth a hundred McConnell/Boehner clones. I have a soft spot for blue dogs because I think the 2A needs supporters in both parties if we want our rights to be protected. These two guys? I would vote
early and often (edited per JCs request ;)) cheerfully for both of them, Webb in particular, regardless of party just because I think the perspective they bring, regardless of an issue by issue rating is very valuable.
FQ13.
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I've also seen that 27 states have filed court cases pushing to have "Obamacare" declared unconstitutional. The more states that file, the greater influence that will have on all the courts.
I've also heard that the Republicans are pushing to make major cuts in Government spending, rolling back to 2008 levels. This is a good start and it can't be bad.
The best thing the Government can do to get more jobs is to do nothing to try to manage the economy. to force the creation of new jobs, and to do everything it can to reduce taxes and unnecessary paperwork and restrictions on business. Taking the Fed out behind the barn and shooting it would be a nice touch also.
If you want Consumer Protection, take a page for China's book. Prove those responsible knowingly made decisions that lead to a death and you shoot them. Few businessmen are going to find a favorable risk analysis outcome if that penalty is sure and swift.
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FQ, I will agree and disagree with you on Baucus and Tester. Baucus voted FOR the AWB, and we tried very unsuccessfully to get him out of there. He finally turned a bit back to our side, but he is still not a big supporter. Tester being new, is another story. Despite what he has done recently trying to portray himself, he is not a 2A supporter. Sure, hunting with single shots is ok in his book, but past that he goes mushy. We are trying to get him out of his seat come 2012. I also suspect that Baucus will retire since he is not in good graces here since he authored the obamacare monstrosity.
Baucus did do well on the brass fiasco, and that may have a lot to do with the being the chairman of an important committee..
-Bidah
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I'm hoping Tester and Webb make it. They are both good guys who "get it". Tester is a rancher and has gone to bat for the 2A early and often. It was him and his Mt. colleague Baucus, also a Dem, that allowed sales of military brass to continue. Webb is a thoughtful statesman and the best friend the military has had in the Senate is a long time. And by friend, I mean someone who is willing to say no when its the right thing to do. He was a Marine grunt in Nam with a Navy Cross and Secretary of the Navy under Reagan and made it a habit of irritating the "perfumed princes" of the pentagon. He knows both sides of it. Read one of his books if you think he doesn't understand what's going on. "Fields of Fire" is a classic for reason, its one of the best books on Vietnam out there. His non-fiction works on the Scots-Irish in America show a real understanding of the working man. This guy understands the real America. I would submit that they are both worth a hundred McConnell/Boehner clones. I have a soft spot for blue dogs because I think the 2A needs supporters in both parties if we want our rights to be protected. These two guys? I would vote early and often for both of them, Webb in particular, regardless of party just because I think the perspective they bring, regardless of an issue by issue rating is very valuable.
FQ13.
Not to hijack the thread, but would someone explain to me where this STUPID phrase came from? I can only assume it's from reality tv. What MORON in American politics thought it would be a good idea to instill the idea that you get to vote more than once? My guess is John Q JackA$$ (D) Washington D.C. >:(
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Not to hijack the thread, but would someone explain to me where this STUPID phrase came from? I can only assume it's from reality tv. What MORON in American politics thought it would be a good idea to instill the idea that you get to vote more than once? My guess is John Q JackA$$ (D) Washington D.C. >:(
Its a long standing Florida tradition. Actually, pretty much across the deep South and places like Chicago, New Orleans and New Jersey (party doesn't enter into it, except for "the icumbent party'). :P Ignore the phrase. Mea culpa, I will edit and not mock political corruption (too much). ;D
FQ13
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Its a long standing Florida tradition. Actually, pretty much across the deep South and places like Chicago, New Orleans and New Jersey. :P Ignore the phrase. Mea culpa, I will edit and not mock political corruption (too much). ;D
FQ13
Thanks for solving the mystery. I always wondered how a state could screw up every election that I can remember. Doing it once so bad that we had to sue to get the results. ::)
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Not to hijack the thread, but would someone explain to me where this STUPID phrase came from? I can only assume it's from reality tv. What MORON in American politics thought it would be a good idea to instill the idea that you get to vote more than once? My guess is John Q JackA$$ (D) Washington D.C. >:(
Source of "Vote Early and Often"
The cynical phrases "Vote early -- and often" and "Vote early -- and vote often" are variously attributed to three different Chicagoans: Al Capone, the famous gangster; Richard J. Daley, mayor from 1955 to 1976; and William Hale Thompson, mayor from 1915-1923 and 1931-1935. All three were notorious for their corruption and their manipulation of the democratic process. It is most likely that Thompson invented the phrase, and Capone and Daley later repeated it.
The quote has been around a long time and most folks aware of Chicago politics recognize it and it's roots and understand it's non-literal intent.
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Source of "Vote Early and Often
The quote has been around a long time and most folks aware of Chicago politics recognize it and it's roots and understand it's non-literal intent.
Thanks, now I know why I never got it. I'm not sleazy enough to understand Chicago politics.
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Ah... I was going to say Chicago and JC beat me to it. There's no crappier politics than the hole BHO crawled out of.
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Source of "Vote Early and Often"
The cynical phrases "Vote early -- and often" and "Vote early -- and vote often" are variously attributed to three different Chicagoans: Al Capone, the famous gangster; Richard J. Daley, mayor from 1955 to 1976; and William Hale Thompson, mayor from 1915-1923 and 1931-1935. All three were notorious for their corruption and their manipulation of the democratic process. It is most likely that Thompson invented the phrase, and Capone and Daley later repeated it.
The quote has been around a long time and most folks aware of Chicago politics recognize it and it's roots and understand it's non-literal intent.
What'chu talkin' 'bout, Willis? ? ? In Chicago, the intent is still very real, and still most literal. Vans collect the willing and drive them from precinct to precinct where they are moto-voter registered and vote. Also, the dead do come alive and vote as well. If Chicago had a US Prosecutor worth his salt, all sorts of zombie votes could be found. But Daley is given a pass on just about everything these days. Too bad. He is one guy I would love to see stammering along doing the perp walk.
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What'chu talkin' 'bout, Willis? ? ? In Chicago, the intent is still very real, and still most literal. Vans collect the willing and drive them from precinct to precinct where they are moto-voter registered and vote. Also, the dead do come alive and vote as well. If Chicago had a US Prosecutor worth his salt, all sorts of zombie votes could be found. But Daley is given a pass on just about everything these days. Too bad. He is one guy I would love to see stammering along doing the perp walk.
They'd have to build a new cell in the "political VIP wing" at Joliet. One governor, another on the way and hopefully a mayor. Its as bad as the Palm Beach County Commision with three convictions. :P
FQ13
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Darn, Pathfinder beat me to it ;D
Thompson, Capone, and Daley were dead serious when they used the phrase.
FQ, I'm not sure, but I think your count of Ill. VIP convicts is low by at least 1 Gov. Blagoiyavich is going, the one before him went, I think the one before him went as well.
Were there any busted in yesterday's big Mafia sweep ?
On topic, I have to say that making the socialists publicly defend Obummercare is a good way to keep their arrogance alive in the minds of the voters, however considering their short attention span I think they should have waited till next year.
Another good idea would be to make next year about immigration. Be kind of awkward for the Dems to kiss up to unemployed Americans on one hand while defending illegals waving Mexican flags and chanting "f*ck America" on the other.
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Was born in Chicago, lived there a couple of years after that till mom and dad moved to Hamilton, OH...known as Little Chicago at the time.
Most of my relatives live there and they all seemed to love Mayor Daley Sr.. Have to say the city is better run than Detroit.
Haven't been back to visit in 15 years, so I don't know if they love Mayor Daley Jr. as much.
Do they still have a Voter Registration Office and Polling Place at every cemetery in the city?
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Was born in Chicago, lived there a couple of years after that till mom and dad moved to Hamilton, OH...known as Little Chicago at the time.
Most of my relatives live there and they all seemed to love Mayor Daley Sr.. Have to say the city is better run than Detroit.
Haven't been back to visit in 15 years, so I don't know if they love Mayor Daley Jr. as much.
Do they still have a Voter Registration Office and Polling Place at every cemetery in the city?
That isn't saying much.
The same could be said for Mogadishu or Port Au Prince. ::)
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That isn't saying much.
The same could be said for Mogadishu or Port Au Prince. ::)
Good point, look at Mogadishu today, they have a thriving piracy business. My guess is that their unemployment rate is less than Detroit. :P
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I bet their drop out rate is lower as well.