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Member Section => Down Range Cafe => Topic started by: twyacht on January 22, 2011, 05:46:34 AM
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Friday, January 21, 2011
Astroturfing By ThinkProgress
Reporters from ThinkProgress, which is the lefty website for the Center for American Progress Action Fund, attended the SHOT Show this week. They were trolling for people who would say that standard capacity magazines were not needed for self-defense. As might be expected in an edited video, they found the answers they wanted. I imagine this clip will be shown to Congressional staffers and wavering Representatives in an effort to pass HR 308.
You have to wonder how many of the people answering the question realized that they were being used. It points out just how tricky it can be dealing with the press and advocacy groups.
ThinkProgress attended the SHOT Show convention in Las Vegas this week — “the largest and most comprehensive trade show for all professionals involved with the shooting sports and hunting industries” — and asked many attendees if they thought these types of clips are necessary for self-defense. Most we talked to concurred, “Not really”:
TP: Do you think that for self defense purposes it matters whether you have 10 or 15 rounds in your magazine?
ATTENDEE 1: Probably not. No probably not. Honestly. [...]
ATTENDEE 2: It takes one shot to kill. … Anything more than one shot is excessive. I mean if someone is breaking in to your house at a panic you’re might going to shoot him once. You’re not going to empty your load on him while they’re lying on your kitchen floor. [...]
TP: If someone were to use a gun for self protection purposes, would they need 10, 30 rounds?
ATTENDEE 3: No, I hope not. I don’t know why. If ten rounds of ammunition can’t do the job you probably shouldn’t own a gun. I don’t want to live next to that guy.
VIDEO AT LINK!!!
Nice... >:(
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Number one you can bet your ass that they did'nt air the people that disagreed with them and number 2 these were not gun people,what were they doing at the shot show? My guess is they were plants that were put there for their own agenda.
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Personally, IF we could get something in return like the 1986 closing of MG registry ended or maybe national reciprocity or national open carry I would give up the EXTENDED mags, not STANDARD mags (whatever the gun was made for). The mag law would ONLY apply to handguns.
Just a thought.
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Personally, IF we could get something in return like the 1986 closing of MG registry ended or maybe national reciprocity or national open carry I would give up the EXTENDED mags, not STANDARD mags (whatever the gun was made for). The mag law would ONLY apply to handguns.
Just a thought.
Doesnt work that way mate, take my word for it!
10rnds now max for all semi auto pistols in aus. That came in 2003 nine years after the first steal back.
Watch ya six, dont even go down that train of thought, thats the first step to gun bans.
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Personally, IF we could get something in return like the 1986 closing of MG registry ended or maybe national reciprocity or national open carry I would give up the EXTENDED mags, not STANDARD mags (whatever the gun was made for). The mag law would ONLY apply to handguns.
Just a thought.
Compromises got us into this mess.
Shrugging off the gummint's illegal actions helped.
No Compromises!!!!!!
No shrugs!!!!!
The gummint takes no more rights away, no more liberties, no more freedoms. Period.
WTF, Haz? ? ?
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Compromises got us into this mess.
No Compromises!!!!!!
Ditto!
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I knew this would start a s-storm but I thought I'd throw it out there anyway.
Please notice I did say extended and standard. If yer glock was made to hold 20 rounds then that is a standard mag.
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I knew this would start a s-storm but I thought I'd throw it out there anyway.
Please notice I did say extended and standard. If yer glock was made to hold 20 rounds then that is a standard mag.
CLIP!!!
Fricken smart ass cat >:(
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I'll throw this out there for comments.
When Romney re-adopted the AWB in 2004 for the state of MA, they didn't completely outlaw extended mags or as they call them, Hi Capacity, but rather accepted those that were already here from 1994. They COULD have managed to ban ALL extended capacity above and beyond 10 rounders which would have taken even more equipment out of the hands of the law abiding citizens in the state.
My daughters Sig carries 13 round mags as standard but it was a 16 year old gun when she bought it. If she loses a mag or damages one, she can't replace it legally unless she finds one at a gun show that pre-dates the AWB date of 1994. Imagine her predicament if that happened. At some point, her "cute little pistol" becomes a paperweight.....
No, compromises are not the answer. Education and discussion outside the purview of the media at an early stage in life, in other words, get back to the days when common sense prevailed and stupidity and ignorance took a back seat.
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Someone needs to develope a belt-fed handgun, that way we don't need to worry about capacity of the weapon but of the indivudal. ;D
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Timothy,
Once again I said that 'standard' capacity was NOT part of the deal. Guns that take a 17 round mag are fine and so are the mags. I'm talking about extended mags (don't fit flush with the gun).
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Timothy,
Once again I said that 'standard' capacity was NOT part of the deal. Guns that take a 17 round mag are fine and so are the mags. I'm talking about extended mags (don't fit flush with the gun).
I understand your point Haz.....
My long winded point was...."If you give a mouse a cookie, he'll want a glass of milk!".
We can't deal with these people, they're self serving at best and will take, take, take, and take some more. I can post the "List of Approved Firearms" roster from MA if you'd like.....they just keep on taking up here...Hell, even CT isn't what it was a mere 15 years ago!
Respectfully submitted by a frustrated, displaced Midwesterner...
T
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As can be seen in the video below, if magazines had lower capacity there would be plenty of time in between magazine changes for law enforcement to take down the criminal. Please note that this was written in a sarcastic font.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iLniuMpgM1I&playnext=1&list=PL3619BEF09B43B868&index=10
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It's time to stock up on 150 round mags. http://www.armatac.com/products.html
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Personally, IF we could get something in return like the 1986 closing of MG registry ended or maybe national reciprocity or national open carry I would give up the EXTENDED mags, not STANDARD mags (whatever the gun was made for). The mag law would ONLY apply to handguns.
Just a thought.
This from the guy who was bitching about Shooting sports and manufacturers spending money in Ca. ?
There is no compromise on Constitutionally recognized Civil Rights.
As PathFinder pointed out, compromise is what got us where we are today.
My compromise position is "repeal all firearms regulations passed since 1934 and I will not pursue a treason charge against the Anti's"
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Why do people feel obligated to talk on camera to strangers?
At one point in my life I was sent to a course on how to talk to the press. The fact was what ever you said was going to end up as an eight second sound bite chosen by the editor. He or she will pick what they want to hear, not what you ment to say.
So if somebody sticks a camera in my face I smile and say, No habla senor.
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Why do people feel obligated to talk on camera to strangers?
People like to talk. They all want their voice to be heard. One thing I learned in industrial theatre is that during presentations/meetings, people seldom ask questions because they have questions. They ask questions because they want to be to be noticed, to be heard, to talk. Since that time, I don't ask a lot of questions when I attend meetings (except maybe, "when's the bar open" and "where's the bathroom").
Go back and look at the video about "Don't talk to the police".
(Yes that principle applies here as well.)
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Compromises got us into this mess.
Shrugging off the gummint's illegal actions helped.
No Compromises!!!!!!
No shrugs!!!!!
The gummint takes no more rights away, no more liberties, no more freedoms. Period.
WTF, Haz? ? ?
This gets my vote!!!
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There must be NO, NONE, NADA compromises when it comes to the rights of the American Citizen.
That stupidity was tried before and a near terminal case of mission creep ensued.
Do not fall for that BS ever again.
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I’ll join the NRA when the NRA soundly condemns and works tirelessly to abolish the Gun Control Act of 1968. [As you know] NRA lawyers actually helped to write this piece of totalitarian legislation … a near carbon copy of the Nazi German gun laws of the 1930s.
In an acerbic letter just 11 days before his death, Zelman wrote “An Open Letter to All American Politicians and Bureaucrats,” noting acidly,
You have done absolutely nothing effective or meaningful to stop [the erosion of our Second Amendment rights]. A preponderance of the blame can be laid directly at your feet. Why? Because many of you are, unequivocally, deceivers and liars.
How can I call you liars? Upon your election or appointment here’s what you promised us: I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take his obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter. So help me God.
Your oath of office is a contract, both verbal and signed. If you are in breach of that contract you are now both a liar and a criminal….
Mr. Zelman, RIP. Compromise is not the answer. Didn't see the compromising in the "keep and bear" & "shall not be infringed" part either.
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I'll throw this out there for comments.
When Romney re-adopted the AWB in 2004 for the state of MA, they didn't completely outlaw extended mags or as they call them, Hi Capacity, but rather accepted those that were already here from 1994. They COULD have managed to ban ALL extended capacity above and beyond 10 rounders which would have taken even more equipment out of the hands of the law abiding citizens in the state.
My daughters Sig carries 13 round mags as standard but it was a 16 year old gun when she bought it. If she loses a mag or damages one, she can't replace it legally unless she finds one at a gun show that pre-dates the AWB date of 1994. Imagine her predicament if that happened. At some point, her "cute little pistol" becomes a paperweight.....
No, compromises are not the answer. Education and discussion outside the purview of the media at an early stage in life, in other words, get back to the days when common sense prevailed and stupidity and ignorance took a back seat.
It doesn't actually become a paperweight, she would just have to sell or trade it to someone who still lives in [Free] America. Unfortunately with all the willingness to compromise our rights out there [Free] America is shrinking every day. The fact that AZ has some of the best gun laws (a total oxymoron since there really isn't such a thing as a "good" gun law) and they are now in the crosshairs things will get worse for all of us before they get better.
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No compromise, "Thou shall not infringe"
CD
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Sounds to me like, when only outlaws have guns, a lot of us will be outlaws.
Good !