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Member Section => Down Range Cafe => Topic started by: Dean Brevit on January 24, 2011, 09:27:57 AM
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Hi All,
Just got done putting together a sport for pocket guns, to me they are the real carry guns and thought it would make for good practice, when you consider most are never shot (maybe half dozen rounds when you first get it), better to find out on the range what works and what does not. Please take a look www.pocketcarrycomp.com
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As of yesterday we have 1 life member and 8 annual members, 3 clubs in other (other than NC) States are pending.
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Good work!
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Sounds like a real Practical Shooting Sport.....
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Thank You guys.
I'll keep everyone posted on how it's going.
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Just caught this thread....sounds like a good thing and I hope the momentum keeps rolling forward for you.
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As a "mousegun" aka pocket gun owner, it really does sound interesting. Good luck. I know of several pocket gun owners that would be interested, myself included.
Here in the swamps of S. Florida, a pocket gun, snub, Kel-Tec, S&W Bodyguard, LCP, etc,... is a very popular choice for T-shirt and shorts carry.
I'll pass the link on.
Thanks.
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rat31465 and twyaht, Thanks for the thumbs up and passing on the link, again Thank You.
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We are getting a good deal of attention from new IDPA shooters, guys and gals that started shooting it within the past 6 to 12 months. Lots of people that don't shoot competition at all but carry a pocket gun and this is the goal.
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Like the concept. Just passed it on to my club. Good luck!
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Thanks, SlickRob
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First I like the practical idea you're going after. Really cool. A couple of thoughts/ideas.
I think I see the safety rational, but I carry my pocket gun.....in my pocket. (With an "Inside the pocket" holster.) Is that going to be allowed? Could I show up with a jacket and the gun inside the holster in the pocket of the jacket?
I have a question on cover. In real scenarios, and I'm thinking around the house, the walls do not provide "hard cover". That is I could easily shoot through a wall or door to stop a "bad guy". For realism sake could there not be some stages where shooting though cover is allowed? Encouraged even. Then they could be countered with a NT behind the target where shooting through presents a high likely hood of hitting the NT.
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I have a question on cover. In real scenarios, and I'm thinking around the house, the walls do not provide "hard cover". That is I could easily shoot through a wall or door to stop a "bad guy". For realism sake could there not be some stages where shooting though cover is allowed? Encouraged even. Then they could be countered with a NT behind the target where shooting through presents a high likely hood of hitting the NT.
Seems risky Alf. You hit a stud and a screw just wrong, or a thousand other weird things and you have a problem. In theory, its good, but in practice? Maybe if the "wall" were made of paper or canvas it would work, but I would be leery about encouraging competitors to shoot through drywall no matter how safe it SHOULD be.
FQ13
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I like the idea very much!
But I don't understand why you would have a match for pocket pistols and then say they have to be in a holster on the belt. Kinda defeats the pupose, don't it? And why not specify a pocket holster, if you're worried about having a gun loose in a pocket.
(As I write this, I have a S&W Airweight in my pocket.)
The rule book is confusing. First it says you can't have strong hand only scenarios, and then it says you can.
In any event, I have already been talking with some of my shooting friends about just such a match. Will be trying it when the weather moderates!
GB
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GrizzleBear,
Thanks for the thumbs up, the strong hand only is regarding distance "no strong hand only past 8 yards"When running a match safety is a big concern, I'm sure you know some people that you would not wish to stand behind or along side while they draw from a pocket, with skill levels all over the map I feel the only safe way to run a match is from a strong side holster.
Regards,
Dean
PS on my range I carry a 642 or an LCR in the pocket, I see many people take CCW classes that put the fear of God in me and they start low ready.
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My Pocket Pistol. A Stainless Bauer .25 Baby Browning copy. It's a nice little gun except for the 486 pound trigger pull! Bill T.
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Hi All,
Just got done putting together a sport for pocket guns, to me they are the real carry guns and thought it would make for good practice, when you consider most are never shot (maybe half dozen rounds when you first get it), better to find out on the range what works and what does not. Please take a look www.pocketcarrycomp.com
Rather than recreate the wheel, wouldn't it make more sense to use IDPA rules and schedule BUG matches?
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bbbean,
"rather than recreate the wheel" why did we not stop at the 1911 or the Ford model A both work fine and get the job done.
In IDPA BUG, stages can only be 5 rds, no draw, no reload, no divisions, no classes, etc. Guns that fit in IDPA BUG 3" 625, Sig 228/239 etc. The most carried guns are pocket guns not small service guns. Not knocking IDPA I've shot it for 12 years, I hold two matches per month and in IDPA BUG I see people game it by the choice of gun they use, they run a Glock 30 with down loads for match and carry a J-frame when they leave. I feel IDPA (at many places) is taking a path away from it's purpose and intent.
Just my take on things, not picking a fight.
Regards,
Dean
IDPA #A06452
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I don't shoot IDPA and don't know the rules but how does a P228 or P229 qualify as a "bug"? My daughter has a P228, holds 13 +1 and can hardly be considered a sub compact. It's a full size frame with a slightly shorter barrel.
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PCCA got a blog spot today, not real sure what blog is.
http://gunmart.blogspot.com/
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Another blog picked up on PCCA today
http://www.saysuncle.com/2011/02/02/pocket-carry-competition-association/
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First PCCA match is at Caswell Ranch (North Carolina), Feb 19th start time is noon.
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I hear pocket guns will be the topic of a show tonight (not the sport,yet). Anyone know what one my TV is on the fritz.
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I hear pocket guns will be the topic of a show tonight (not the sport,yet). Anyone know what one my TV is on the fritz.
Shooting Gallery - 6:00 PM and 8:00 PM central time
Got home early in the show and was replying to emails during the show, but what I saw was good.
I have a short meeting soon, but should make the late showing.
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Thanks M58
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We held the first PCCA match, I think a good day was had by all. See what people are saying at Link below.
http://www.carolinashootersforum.com/showthread.php?t=93125
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This coming Tuesday night were going to try this in the IDPA meet
From: Northwest MO Defensive Pistol Club <admin@nwmodpc.com>
Subject: March 1 Match
Date: Saturday, February 26, 2011, 11:21 PM
Hello all!
This coming Tuesday, we will have a BUG stage. Bring out your favorite pocket pistol, mouse gun or noisy cricket!
If you don't have a Back Up Gun, or would like to try something different, we'll have several you can use: a Ruger LCP in .380, Taurus PT Slim 9mm, Officers 1911 in .45 and a .38/.357 snubby. If you'd like to use one of those, please just bring ammo for it - 20-25 rounds should be plenty.
This is just for one stage - the rest will be shot in your normal division.
Hope to see you Tuesday!
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rojawe,
Hope you have a good time with it, also be great if your club would become part of the PCCA family.
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What was said after the first match.
http://spydersmom.wordpress.com/2011/02/27/pocket-carry-competition-match/
http://bullcitydefense.com/2011/02/26/pocket-carry-and-being-last-place/
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Rojawe,
So, how did your side stage go ?, you need to hold a match with 6 to 8 stages to get into it.
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PCCA will hold it's first major match July 16th 2011, name of the match "PCCA open Championship" this match will be open to all, member or none member. Only members will be able to win a gun and get an official trophy, none members will be listed as unclassified and will get a framed cert.
Next year this will be the PCCA National Championship.(membership required)
Target Barn will be the official target supplier, targets will be available April.
July was picked in part because of the heat, what better time for the pocket gun, shorts, light shirt etc.
Match info (price,round count etc) will be posted this week here and on the web site.
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Match apps can be found at www.caswellranch.com
20 stages, $60 match fee.
Mr Bane please come on down.
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Rule change on gun size (new divisions), go to www.pocketcarrycomp.com to see on line rule book.
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Got my new PCCA gun today, Sig P290FE, cool little gun.
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Next PCCA match will have low and no light stages, bad stuff happens at night so a few matches this year will have stages set this way, do you carry a flashlight, have night sights on your little gun, laser set correct ? Something to think on.
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Official PCCA targets came in today (at Caswell Ranch) a couple of PD's also picked the target for training and quals.
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The Ruger SP101 with 2.25" barrel has become the main revolver used in PCCA, next is the S&W mod 640.
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The Ruger SP101 with 2.25" barrel has become the main revolver used in PCCA, next is the S&W mod 640.
Winner, winner... You know the rest.