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Member Section => Politics & RKBA => Topic started by: fullautovalmet76 on February 08, 2011, 06:39:42 PM
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I think this might have been covered in another thread so I apologize in advance for posting a duplicate thread; I couldn't find the original.
This will be of interest to FL residents on this board and I encourage you to contact your state representatives to support the legislation. There are some changes I would make but I believe these bills are pointing us in a right direction. Here are the links to the house and senate versions:
House:
HB 517 (copy and paste link)
http://www.myfloridahouse.gov/Sections/Bills/billsdetail.aspx?BillId=45327&SessionIndex=-1&SessionId=66&BillText=firearm&BillNumber=&BillSponsorIndex=0&BillListIndex=0&BillStatuteText=&BillTypeIndex=0&BillReferredIndex=0&HouseChamber=H&BillSearchIndex=0 (http://www.myfloridahouse.gov/Sections/Bills/billsdetail.aspx?BillId=45327&SessionIndex=-1&SessionId=66&BillText=firearm&BillNumber=&BillSponsorIndex=0&BillListIndex=0&BillStatuteText=&BillTypeIndex=0&BillReferredIndex=0&HouseChamber=H&BillSearchIndex=0)
Senate:
SB 234 (copy and paste link)
http://www.myfloridahouse.gov/Sections/Bills/billsdetail.aspx?BillId=44867&SessionIndex=-1&SessionId=66&BillText=firearm&BillNumber=&BillSponsorIndex=0&BillListIndex=0&BillStatuteText=&BillTypeIndex=0&BillReferredIndex=0&HouseChamber=H&BillSearchIndex=0 (http://www.myfloridahouse.gov/Sections/Bills/billsdetail.aspx?BillId=44867&SessionIndex=-1&SessionId=66&BillText=firearm&BillNumber=&BillSponsorIndex=0&BillListIndex=0&BillStatuteText=&BillTypeIndex=0&BillReferredIndex=0&HouseChamber=H&BillSearchIndex=0)
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Here's hoping! ;D
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Thanks FA, these legislative initiatives clarifies and ratifies, the current law, to do a few things, while expanding on others:
NOT allow counties to "modify" current state law regarding waiting periods, based on some Lib counties. (Big in counties like Palm Beach, and Miami/Dade). and others.. Example, Florida State Law is 3 day waiting period for non-CC permit holders.
Palm Beach, instituted a 5 day wait, and a 7 day wait for long guns.
Allow CC, by permitted folks on college campuses, career centers, and schools. Including teachers/faculty/staff.
Allow "open carry" as an option by CC permit holders. (Allowed in 42 other states),...yes there are restricted areas. but it is a step in the right direction.
Allow carry to place of employment, and left in vehicle, on company grounds.
Currently, one can only openly carry on private property or private business, or hunting, camping, fishing, or range trip. 790. 31 (i) (e).
Hopefully, this will uniform the law, avoid a situation like South Carolina, that "blurs" what the law states, and keep it simple.
I hope it passes.
http://open-carry.com/
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You don't have open carry ? WTF ???
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You don't have open carry ? WTF ???
Used to back in the day but,,,,,it would/could scare the tourists and "blue hairs"....
The grasseating Lib position, certainly not mine.
Frankly, I think a beautiful young woman in a bikini, thin belt with small holster and a .38, walking the beach, would be awesome... Just have to adjust for the tan line.... ::)
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Frankly, I think a beautiful young woman in a bikini, thin belt with small holster and a .38, walking the beach, would be awesome... Just have to adjust for the tan line.... ::)
Lose the bikini. ;D
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The main advantage of the bill is to eliminate "printing" and say if your weapon does show from under clothing there is no penalty . We have open here in TN. and I like the fact I don't have to be that careful of "showing" . But we all know a prudent person would not open carry, Especially in FLA. I grew up there, they will take your gun and shoot you with it. :P
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Just got this alert on FaceBook from GunRights Examiner:
LEGISLATIVE ALERT
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE - February 12, 2011
SB 234 - FL Senate Committee on Criminal Justice
Hearing scheduled for 2/22/11
SB 234 is on the agenda of the FL Senate Committee on Criminal Justice on Tuesday, February 22nd at 9:00am. Florida Carry, Inc. urgently requests that you email via the members of the committee in support of Senate Bill 234.
This NRA authored bill comprises several separate initiatives. These include the option for CWFL holders to carry openly; a provision to authorize carry at career centers, colleges, and universities; the right to store a firearm in one's vehicle wherever it may be lawfully parked; the authorization for the Department of Agriculture to take fingerprints; the repeal of Florida’s ban on long gun purchases in most other states. Quite simply put, this is the most comprehensive carry rights bill since shall-issue concealed carry was passed twenty-four years ago.
Florida is one of only seven states where open carry of firearms is generally forbidden, excepting under certain circumstances. Arguments against open carry generally consist of concerns regarding the fearful reactions of the general population. Some have suggested that an open carrier becomes an instant target, having his firearm snatched by a criminal in line at a convenience store. The facts simply do not support those allegations. In states where open carry is lawfully practiced, citizens have become accustomed to the understanding that a holstered weapon is a danger to no one. There have been no wholesale attacks on open carriers, nor have open carriers been shot with their own weapons. Police officers are not fearful of open carriers as they know that a 5-year FBI crime study has shown that criminals do not open carry, nor do they carry in holsters. Criminals shun attention, something that the open carrying of a firearm invariably draws to some extent. Not a single state that has legalized open carry in recent years has repealed the right.
In 1987, open carry was outlawed primarily because of the predictions of wild west shootouts, blood in the streets, gun battles over parking spaces, and normally law abiding people indiscriminately becoming homicidal maniacs. The main opponent of open carry was Janet Reno, then assistant state attorney. She was able to rally support from a vocal group of police administrators with the doom and gloom scenarios. Amazingly enough, the exact same arguments were heard against "shall-issue" concealed carry. Twenty-four years later, and none of the rampant bloodshed predictions about concealed carry have come true.
With regard to carry on colleges and universities, it is not coincidence that most of the mass shootings in the U.S. occur on the campuses of educational institutions. To believe that a potential assailant would be dissuaded from committing mass murder simply because there is a law forbidding him to bring a firearm on campus is pure folly. Rape, robbery, assault, and murder have all occurred on campuses across the country.
College and university administrators continue to deny the reality that by prohibiting students, faculty, staff, and visitors from defending themselves promotes an unsafe environment. Often ignored by opponents is the fact that only concealed weapons/firearms license holders would be permitted to carry on campus, and the minimum age requirement to have a license is 21. Those students under 21 would not be permitted to carry on campus. Once again, the potential criminals do not care about minimum age or having a license. After all, there are no barriers to access on most campuses. Florida Carry, Inc. supports SB 234, and encourages all gun owners/carriers to join us in contacting the senators on the Florida Senate Criminal Justice Committee. Please tell them 24 years is enough.
We urgently need you to email the committee members NOW!
Include “Support SB 234” in the Subject Line
E-mail Helper (feel free to cut, paste, and edit to suit)
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TO:
evers.greg.web@flsenate.gov
dean.charles.web@flsenate.gov
dockery.paula.web@flsenate.gov
margolis.gwen.web@flsenate.gov
smith.chris.web@flsenate.gov
SUBJECT:
Support SB 234 – Support the Second Amendment
Dear Senator,
This e-mail is to express my support for Senate Bill 234, Firearms. As a member of the Florida Senate Committee on Criminal Justice, you will be hearing this bill on Tuesday, February 22nd. I respectfully ask that you wholeheartedly support this bill.
The predictions of doom and gloom that preceded the adoption of "shall-issue" concealed carry have been proven to be fiction. For twenty-four years, Florida concealed weapons/firearms license holders have proven themselves to be responsible to the extreme. Since 1987, only 168 of nearly two-million licenses have been revoked due to misuse of firearms. It is time to recognize that responsibility by giving those licensees the option to carry their firearms in the manor that is most appropriate to their situation, openly or concealed. In the 43 states that permit some form of general open carry, not a single state has repealed that right.
It is also time to recognize that criminals have discovered a target-rich environment at colleges and universities. Rapes, robberies, assaults, and other violent crimes continually occur at and near campuses on students, faculty, and staff alike. Concealed weapons/firearms license holders should not have to relinquish the ability to defend themselves because of a mistaken belief that criminals obey campus restrictions.
Please support SB 234.
Respectfully yours,
<your name>
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Here's hoping it passes. This seems like a well thought out proposal. It draws ridicule from the antis who assume that folks will walk around on the street like "Two Gun Pete" ready to draw on their neighbor. The fact is that it just protects CCW holders against brandishing charges should their weapon be exposed. Only a jackass is going to walk around western gunfighter style with his piece in plain sight, as we all know that that is just borrowing trouble. If this passes though, I can trade my uncomfortable IWB in on an OWB belt holster and use a navy blaser to conceal it (a big plus as "business casual" makes carrying a PITA. You are basically stuck with pocket carry or pretending that you're25 and wearing your shirt untucked. ::)). I am also all in favor of carry on college campuses. As long as schools have the right to say no guns in dorm rooms, it makes a great deal of sense and will make the campus safer for everyone.
FQ13
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NH has 2 bills up now for "Constitutional carry" almost guaranteed to pass since I have to pay to renew my Permit before they can be debated. ::)
Of course the Socialists are already saying it "will be the wild west".
Are they dumbasses or do they think the predominantly white population of NH is more criminally inclined than in Vt (next door), or any of the other states that are adopting this ?
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I too received the Leg. Alert that Peg posted, and I replied. I also included some of those famous quotes from OUR FRAMERS OF THE CONSTITUTION.
"The Constitutions of most of our states (and of the United States) assert that all power is inherent in the people; that they may exercise it by themselves; that it is their right and duty to be at all times armed."
Thomas Jefferson.
"Arms in the hands of citizens (may) be used at individual discretion...in private self defense..."
John Adams, A defense of the Constitutions of the Government of the USA, 471 (1788).
and a zinger:
"Gun Control - A theory espoused by some monumentally stupid people; who claim to believe, against all logic and common sense, that a violent predator who ignores the laws prohibiting them from robbing, raping, kidnapping, torturing and killing their fellow human beings will obey a law telling them that they cannot own a gun."
OldNoob
This needs to pass.
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They "temporarily postponed" S. 234 today. I am contacting the bill's author to find out why and will post when I get more info.
There is an amendement filed:
http://www.flsenate.gov/Session/Bill/2011/0234/Amendment/180224/PDF (http://www.flsenate.gov/Session/Bill/2011/0234/Amendment/180224/PDF)
There is an analysis of the original bill too:
http://www.flsenate.gov/Session/Bill/2011/0234/Analyses/Q1nIOL42A3EbL1k7Ja2OyH0FPng=|7/Public/Bills/0200-0299/0234/Analysis/2011s0234.pre.cj.PDF (http://www.flsenate.gov/Session/Bill/2011/0234/Analyses/Q1nIOL42A3EbL1k7Ja2OyH0FPng=|7/Public/Bills/0200-0299/0234/Analysis/2011s0234.pre.cj.PDF)
Let's keep pushing it!
-FA
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Here's some more news on the proposed OC law:
It appears the Senate version of the bill has made it to the floor but the house version is still in committee. We have to contact house and senate members this week to ensure this law sees the light of day.
The house speaker sent the following memo stating that any bill that has not made it out of committee in either chamber by the end of the week will not be heard this session: http://www.flhouse.gov/Sections/Documents/loaddoc.aspx?DocumentType=Press%20Release&FileName=321
The house bill is number 517 and it is in the house judiciary committee:
http://www.flhouse.gov/Sections/Committees/committeesdetail.aspx?SessionId=66&CommitteeId=2594
Let's contact the committee chair and the members of this committee to demand they allow this bill to move forward for a vote on the floor.
Thanks!
-FA
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I got an email alert on this yesterday also. I didn't go back over this thread to inspect the particulars, but in the email I noticed one of the provisions of the bill is long-gun purchases and transfers for contiguous states.
The email:
Members and friends,
We’re down to the wire. On Wednesday, the Florida Senate will vote on SB 234. This bill includes open carry, vehicle carry, DOACS fingerprint authorization, and long gun/shotgun contiguous state purchase authorization.
Of course, the most contentious element is open carry. This is going to be a squeaker, folks. By now, the Senators should have already made up their minds. Nonetheless, we are requesting one last push to deliver this baby.
Please take a moment and fire up your e-mail clients one more time. Thank you for your continued support, and with any luck, we’ll be seeing you at an open carry picnic sometime in the near future!
Feel free to use the e-mail helper below, and thank you again for your solid support. We’re almost there, and we just need a final push to get this bill to the Governor’s desk for his promised signature.
E-mail Helper (feel free to cut, copy, paste, and edit to suit)
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UBJECT: Vote for Open Carry in SB 234
Dear Senator,
Senate Bill 234 deserves your support, as do the 801,219 active concealed carry licensees who have patiently waited for this bill for over 23 years. Governor Scott has already stated he will sign the bill as a 2nd Amendment supporter and open carry advocate. Florida is one of only seven states that do not permit some form of general open carry. The objections raised by law enforcement and retail associations make no mention that the practice of open carry is successful in 43 states, nor do they acknowledge their dire predictions are the same “blood in the streets” arguments of almost a quarter-century ago. Those predictions have been proven unfounded.
Please help support the law abiding carriers of Florida and vote in favor of SB 234.
Respectfully yours,
<your name>