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Member Section => Down Range Cafe => Topic started by: twyacht on February 13, 2011, 06:08:36 PM
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I have posted a few of these, and always pull for the bull. Well, at the end, the bull did not go down quietly....
Disclaimer for the softies,....this is real bullfighting....the end game is the bull dies, and is butchered and fed to the village.,.
OBTW, the Matador is French.
Nuff said,... ::)
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/raw-video-bull-tosses-matador-around-the-ring/
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Did you read the comments ?
Not many real Greeny whacko's, but generally condemning that type of bull fighting.
The Portuguese and Greek variations take far more guts , and the bull lives. But Spain is a blood thirsty culture and it's more PC than throwing Christians to the lions, or burning Jews at the stake.
And the hard death makes the steaks tough, and funny tasting.
Got to give the Matador credit though he kept his focus and used the sword well. The bull was going down while the Matador was going up ;D
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Lungs full of blood, brain barely functioning and still a deadly animal, by any standards.
Literally, a last gasp lunge.
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I'm always torn by this. On the one hand I admire the tradition and the courage, and its going to end up on the table anyway. On the other hand, I am a big fan of the clean quick kill. I guess on balance, having read too much Hemmingway in my youth I would pay to go see one if it were the real deal in Spain and not some low rent Mexican BS. I'm not entirely sure I would leave the event happy though. :-\
FQ13
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Been there, Done that. In Portugal and Greece they do hand stands on the bulls back, they are unarmed. It sometimes get bloody, but the Bull always walks away. The Matador ? Mostly, not always. ;D
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FQ, if it's any solace, from my experience bovine critters are some of the dumbest animals on the planet, right up there with domesticated turkeys. A bull is just a raging set of testicles.
Who am I to say what a Spaniard can do on his weekend. Penelope Cruz is taken!
;D
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I thought this indecent from last year was a much better comeuppance.
***Not for the squeamish.***
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/international/gored_matador_gets_spain_and_suffering_uKtLPXB9Snnc3d4BRNZPUN (http://www.nypost.com/p/news/international/gored_matador_gets_spain_and_suffering_uKtLPXB9Snnc3d4BRNZPUN)
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You mess with the bull you get the horns. Way to go bull.
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Did you read the comments ?
Not many real Greeny whacko's, but generally condemning that type of bull fighting.
The Portuguese and Greek variations take far more guts , and the bull lives. But Spain is a blood thirsty culture and it's more PC than throwing Christians to the lions, or burning Jews at the stake.
And the hard death makes the steaks tough, and funny tasting.
Got to give the Matador credit though he kept his focus and used the sword well. The bull was going down while the Matador was going up ;D
I've heard it is from the combo of lactic acid build-up in the muscle tissue from the exertion and adrenalin from fear........but I'm not sure.
**Edit: Found this info on game animals as it might apply to domestic as well (I do know a domestic hog's meat tastes different if it is spooked or jumpy before slaughter).
Reducing stress during slaughter is a major factor in controlling meat quality. An animal that senses a threat or unusual situation will react with an increased flow of adrenaline which in turn creates a rapid increase in lactic acid within the muscles. This acidic condition causes the meat to become tough, strongly flavored, and reduces the shelf life of the meat.
http://www.brokenarrowranch.com/Chefs/WhyBuy.htm
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Everything you posted is true Peg. The type of animal and how its killed make a huge difference in table quality. Its why I prefer to shoot does and spikes to begin with. Deer season coincides with the rut in most places and the hormones from the glands of mature bulls/bucks (depending on elk or deer) effect the flavor of the meat. You don't have this problem with does and spikes. Likewise, a stressed animal will build up lactic acid and this will ruin the meat. Its why the 15 minute rule is a very good idea. Whether you use bow or gun, take your shot and wait 15 minutes before following the deer or pig. It will hopefully have expired by then. If you race up to it, odds are it will get a burst of adrenaline, run for the next county, and even if you recover it, the meat will not be as good as if the beast just laid down and died. I know this post may not be PC, but hey, its us, who are we kidding. ;) Thing is, one shot, one kill, prefferably at short range, a long wait before the followup and choosing a target based on meat vs antlers will give you better venison or pork chops every time. Just my .02.
FQ13
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Still, got to give the guy high marks for getting the sword in exactly the right spot under the trying circumstances, and I don't think he was actually hurt.
The bull went down like he was pole axed.
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A French matador suffered a broken collar bone after being gored during a bullfight in Medellin, Colombia. With the help of a few other fighters, Castella managed to get up and offer the crowd a bow before being taken to a hospital.
Not a terrible injury compared to what it could have been....and like Tom said, very accurate with the pig, er, bull-sticker. ;D
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As Hemingway wrote in "The Dangerous Summer" "its the spot where the boys wet their knuckles in Madrid". Basically, its where the spine meets the back of the neck, and if you put the sword through the vertebrae you turn 2000 pounds of pissed off bull into steaks and hamburger. If not, you won't enjoy th rest of your day so much. Its also a great metaphor. I've seen Ted Koppel do it in an interview with Dick Cheney about WMDs in Iraq. Koppel was waving the cape, Cheney charges, is winded, and then the followup question is delivered like a rapier to the spine. Boom, thud, game over. It was a truly beautiful moment, politics aside, if you enjoy blood sports. ;D Thing is, its damn hard to hit that sweet spot, and any matador that can, particularly if he's wounded deserves respect. Its also a goal for politicians, being able to deliver the finishing stroke. Here's hoping that the good guys can manage it in 2012. ;D
FQ13
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He puts the sword in at the .06 second mark. He got gored because he missed the sweet spot.
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I am a bit of a hyprocrit when it comes to this type of sport, would love to see a proper real bull fight however I seem to root for the bull more than the dude with the sticker in his hand.
The other link where the guy got a new tongue was rather interesting, damn lucky for him that it didnt go up through the top of his noggin, least he has a story when his grand kids ask why does pa dribble when he eats and spit when he talks.
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He puts the sword in at the .06 second mark. He got gored because he missed the sweet spot.
Most likely got a lung or artery and it took a little bit for the bull to bleed out....time enough to leave a memento.
Still pretty good blade-work on a moving target that size....either way, better him than me.
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I'm always torn by this. On the one hand I admire the tradition and the courage, and its going to end up on the table anyway. On the other hand, I am a big fan of the clean quick kill.
I was taught that you should never play with your food......