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Member Section => Politics & RKBA => Topic started by: Hazcat on March 04, 2008, 11:17:41 AM
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http://www.senate.mo.gov/08info/pdf-bill/intro/SB1200.pdf
Same crap as in other states that have (mostly) shot this bill down (no pun intended). I understand it is being pushed in AZ and HI as well!
The VPC and Helmki need to be stopped! >:(
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Below is a couple of good articles on the subject. I read somewhere that besides the usual suspects (VPC and the like), the only other person championing these bills is the CEO of the company that has begun developing the techniques to do the stamping. Of course he will SELL same technology to the ammo manufacturers, at considerable expense, "for the common good."
Here it took a concentrated effort by organizations AND concerned citizens to stop it. I think I read that that type law was introduced in 14 states this year. If they were to start passing it would only be a matter of time before it went federal.
http://www.snubnose.info/wordpress/news/a-new-trojan-horse-encoded-ammunition/
http://jerrythegeek.blogspot.com/search/label/Encoded%20Ammunition
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A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong
enough to take everything you have.
-Thomas Jefferson
As a 3 time loser to Eminent Domain suits, it's true! If they get your bullets, they can get your bathroom.
Mac.
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Hazcat,
Thanks for the Heads up. I am a Missouri resident and after reading the bill immediately e-mailed my State Senator (a cadidate supported by the NRA) expressing my opposition. My comments to my senator are below. BTW The senator who introduced this bill, Joan Bray, can be contacted at
http://www.senate.mo.gov/07info/members/mem24.htm
Dear Senator Ridgeway,
I am writing to state my opposition to Senate Bill 1200 introduced by Senator Joan Bray. As a responsible member of the populous, I have spent a great deal of time researching this topic. As yet it has proven to be highly fallible and an extremely ineffective crime fighting tool. The excessive cost to firearms owners and the economic damage to Missouri businesses like Sierra Bullets, Starline Brass and Midway USA, make this an irresponsible piece of legislation. Having held respect for Senator Bray I find it a great disappointment that she would pursue something of this unfortunate nature.
Respectfully yours,
Charles P. King Sr.
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CharlieFarmer,
No problem on the heads up. This is how we keep this crap from spreading. Info is Ammo.
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Request for help. In NC, a bill requires the sponsor to provide a basis of need along with the proposed legislation. What will it accomplish, and why do we need it? Anybody have any of that on your bills? Planning ahead. Thanks, Mac.
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Check out the 1st &"3rd update sections of this post: http://dustinsgunblog.blogspot.com/2008/02/unbelievable-attempt-at-ammunition-ban.html
It has links to the folks who provided a template. I listened to a Cam Edwards interview of one of the two guys behind the legislation that will charge a per round licensing fee via a patent they've already applied for. Interestingly they have no idea how to implement the requirements in the manufacturing process - the guy stated that he would "leave that up to the ammunition experts" although ammunition manufacturers have already looked into it & said it would be cost prohibitive if not impossible - the likely result is States with such legislation would have few if any vendors who would bother producing conforming ammo, even if they were able to find a way to be successful at great cost.
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Check out the 1st &"3rd update sections of this post: http://dustinsgunblog.blogspot.com/2008/02/unbelievable-attempt-at-ammunition-ban.html
It has links to the folks who provided a template. I listened to a Cam Edwards interview of one of the two guys behind the legislation that will charge a per round licensing fee via a patent they've already applied for. Interestingly they have no idea how to implement the requirements in the manufacturing process - the guy stated that he would "leave that up to the ammunition experts" although ammunition manufacturers have already looked into it & said it would be cost prohibitive if not impossible - the likely result is States with such legislation would have few if any vendors who would bother producing conforming ammo, even if they were able to find a way to be successful at great cost.
Which is exactly what they a 'shooting' for. The ba$tards!
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Fortunately, while Sen. Joan Bray introduces this sort of nonsense every year her track record on actually getting any of it passed is pretty low. My Senator assures me, as others' Senators have assured them, that this bill stands little chance of getting out of committee and even less chance of getting a floor vote, let alone passing.
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As I said in Marshal's NAS report thread on problems with the coding science, the verbiage calls for a penalty for possession of ammo legally purchased. No grandfather language. That is a "taking" by the government, of private property, requiring ponderous civil procedures relating to compensation for the owner's $$ loss. The lawyer-heavy Legislatures/Congress know that, and should be loath to commit resources in a legal quagmire. They have to know the lawsuits and appeals would vapor lock the courts of any State and would end up in a Federal District to resolve. Would take YEARS.
It's basicly the same procedure that ATF went through when the Secretary of the Treasury ruled that Streetsweeper shotguns were suddenly Destructive Devices and subject to NFA rules. Under Federal civil law, they had to allow about a 7 year amnesty and tax exempt registration BEFORE the criminal statute could be enforced. It was t "taking".That's my view anyway. Thanks for the lead Swifteagle.
Mac.
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it was brought up in Illinois the other day, it didn't even make it out of committee.
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WOW, an ANTI gun bill that Chicago's mayor didn't fight for? Will wonders never cease ?