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Member Section => Down Range Cafe => Topic started by: Teresa Heilevang on March 07, 2011, 01:57:22 PM
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The ATF has a very political agenda in mind, and that is to take away your gun rights---even if it means allowing gun sales to criminals so they can present "evidence" to the administration that the Second Amendment should be restricted or abolished!
On December 14, 2010, Customs and Border Protection Agent Brian Terry was shot as he tried to capture heavily armed "bandits" targeting illegal immigrants trying to get across the border near Rio Rico, Arizona. He died the next morning.
It was a tragic incident that occurs frequently on our southern border, made all the more tragic because THE SEMI-AUTOMATIC RIFLE THAT WAS USED TO KILL AGENT TERRY WAS BOUGHT BY A CRIMINAL AND SMUGGLED INTO MEXICO UNDER THE WATCHFUL EYE OF THE FEDERAL BUREAU OF ALCOHOL, TOBACCO AND FIREARMS (ATF).
"The gun used to kill Agent Brian Terry has been sourced, not to Mexico, but to a gun store in Phoenix that was actually part---and cooperating---with a federal investigation into arms trafficking. However, U.S. agents did not stop the sale or the transfer of that gun to the cartels that killed Terry." - William Lajeunesse, Fox News broadcast (February 22, 2011).
Senator Charles Grassley (R-IA) is now demanding answers on ATF's "Project Gunrunner." Hundreds of guns were allowed to be purchased along the border by alleged straw buyers, while ATF conducted its investigation and DID NOTHING. The ATF looked the other way while these guns slipped into Mexico into the hands of drug cartels, and then they blamed gun laws in the United States for the transactions.
Anti-gun activists, led by the Obama administration, are doing all they can to make the connection between law-abiding citizens and deranged criminals---even standing by while known drug dealers purchase guns on our soil and take them back to Mexico... and then use them to take the lives of our brave border agents!
The ATF is under threat of a 13% budget cut. They claim cuts will hurt their efforts to prevent firearms trafficking on the Mexican border---but the death of Agent Terry exposed how corrupt and inadequate this initiative has been.
What lengths will the ATF go to in order to keep their funding?
James Cavanaugh, a retired ATF official says losing 13% of their budget "would really handicap the ATF. It's a small agency and it's a lean machine. With ATF, it would be an amputation."
I say we amputate!
ATF's own agents say that sometime in late 2009 or early 2010, the Phoenix office of ATF began to implement a policy of "walking" semi-automatic rifles south of the border. One agent says, "The agency was not only looking the other way but actually facilitating trafficking, threatening and punishing agents who voiced objections, covering up trace information, the truth about the gun that killed BPA Terry, what I.C.E. knew, it goes on and on."
The accusations against ATF and DOJ officials include:
1. They intentionally allowed perhaps as many as 3,000 firearms to "walk" across the U.S. border into Mexico.
2. They instructed U.S. gun dealers to proceed with questionable and illegal sales of firearms to suspected gunrunners.
3. They intentionally withheld information about U.S.-sanctioned gun smuggling from the Mexican government.
4. One of the guns ATF allowed or helped to be smuggled into Mexico was involved in the death of CBP Agent Brian Terry.
For two years, we've been hearing from Holder and others in the Obama administration about a so-called 'iron pipeline' of American guns across the border, and federal officials have been working to strip you of your rights.
Wouldn't it be ironic to learn that while the Obama administration was blaming our gun rights for the drug war violence in Mexico, its own gun sting operation was a major source of illicit firearms?
Obama nominated anti-gun zealot Andrew Traver to head up the ATF prior to Congressional recess last year, and reappointed him in the 112th Congress---but the Senate Judiciary Committee has yet to hold hearings. Rumors are that this Gunrunner issue is causing problems, because the ATF doesn't want questions about this case to come up.
What does the ATF not want us to know?
This is a cover-up at the highest levels of our government.
The Second Amendment guarantees us the right to bear arms. There is no language in the Constitution that allows for restricting this freedom.
But the Obama administration and Members of Congress are still trying to take away that freedom, especially in the wake of the Tucson shootings.
I agree with Senator Grassley, who tells Attorney General Eric Holder.... it's time to "come clean."
This tyranny can not prevail on our watch!
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I have actually said the same thing about the more sinister purposes behind this total cluster. That all the while Napolitano and Holder have been railing about our gun laws and all of the weapons coming from the U.S. they were quietly promoting it. That way they could point to this and say: "see we told you so". Unfortunately it seems to have blown up in their face.
http://www.downrange.tv/forum/index.php?topic=15701.msg201779#msg201779
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Reno = Waco and Ruby Ridge.
Holder = "Operation Gunrunner".
ATF = IDIOCY, all the way around.
Hell of a track record, ya' think? Bill T.
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"I agree with Senator Grassley, who tells Attorney General Eric Holder.... it's time to "come clean."
This tyranny can not prevail on our watch! "
What exactly do you think will happen if the Obummer administration tells Grassley and the few citizens who are actually paying attention to "Get bent, we'll do as we please," or "F*ck you, I won" ?
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"I agree with Senator Grassley, who tells Attorney General Eric Holder.... it's time to "come clean."
This tyranny can not prevail on our watch! "
What exactly do you think will happen if the Obummer administration tells Grassley and the few citizens who are actually paying attention to "Get bent, we'll do as we please," or "F*ck you, I won" ?
Let's see, among other things, Ken Salazar has been found in contempt of court, and a Judge in FL has ruled Obamacare completely unconstitutional, and the .gov keeps running along just fine, thank you. Reminds me of the time Andrew Jackson's actions were ruled unconstitutional, and he simply responded - fine, let them enforce their rulings!
Arragonace ain't new, the depth and breadth of this administration's arrogance is startlingly massive.
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issue is they believe they are doing the right thing ::)
White house is playing Dumb
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20040189-503544.html
White House: No comment on ATF gun-walking controversy
White House press secretary Jay Carney did not shed any light Monday on the allegations uncovered by CBS News that ATF intentionally let thousands of assault rifles and other weapons fall into the hands of Mexico's drug cartels. Insiders call the controversial practice letting guns "walk."
In the wake of our CBS News investigation, Mexico has asked the U.S. for more information. Two AK-47 type variant assault rifles that ATF allegedly let "walk" were found at the murder scene of Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry last December. Here's the excerpt from today's White House briefing:
CBS News chief White House correspondent Chip Reid: "Do you have any comment on the story and on these developments today?"
Carney: "I don't. Obviously, as the president pointed out when he spoke here with President Calderon, we take the issue of the flow of guns south very seriously, as we do the issue of the flow of drugs north. And -- but beyond that, I don't have any comment."
Reid: "Is he aware of this specific allegation..."
Carney: "I don't know."
Reid: "... that hundreds of guns went into Mexico with the knowledge of ATF?"
Carney: "I don't know."
Watch video of Reid's questioning at the White House press briefing above.
Mexico requests info from U.S. on gun-running
ATF memo after CBS report: We need positive press
Agent: I was ordered to let U.S. guns into Mexico
The official line from the White House is “I don’t know” to questions like does President Obama even know ” that hundreds of guns went into Mexico with the knowledge of ATF?”
The White House does acknowledge talking about the issue with Mexican President Calderon….bet that was an interesting conversation….
There is a tradition when presidents visit they bring gifts…wonder if Calderon thought about dumping 100 ATF “walked” Ak47s onto the White House lawn….
More about the ATF Gunrunner scandal:
http://tucsoncitizen.com/view-from-baja-arizona/2011/03/07/white-house-on-atf-gunrunner-scandal-i-dont-know/
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Grassley seems to be the only one fired up about this, and his focus is on Brian Terry, NOT on gun rights. Then again, all he's done is send a few terse letters.
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Hussein and Holder will bury the whole thing. Bill T.
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Hussein and Holder will bury the whole thing. Bill T.
It's up to us to make it another "Zombie issue" like the Pa. Black Panther voter intimidation, It just won't stay buried. ;D
Grassley seems to be the only one fired up about this, and his focus is on Brian Terry, NOT on gun rights. Then again, all he's done is send a few terse letters.
That might be a good idea. People who don't give a crap about gun rights are still likely to be PO'd about one Govt. agency aiding in the murder of agents from another Govt. agency.
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It's up to us to make it another "Zombie issue" like the Pa. Black Panther voter intimidation, It just won't stay buried.
I was going to mention that. No matter how hot of an iron we seem to ram up Holders a$$, he won't budge on prosecuting blacks for anything. I think it's time to push my, "Vote For Whites Because They're Smarter" political campaign! Bill T.
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I was going to mention that. No matter how hot of an iron we seem to ram up Holders a$$, he won't budge on prosecuting blacks for anything. I think it's time to push my, "Vote For Whites Because They're Smarter" political campaign! Bill T.
Playing politics, and winning reelection has become more important that applying the law equally.
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I was going to mention that. No matter how hot of an iron we seem to ram up Holders a$$, he won't budge on prosecuting blacks for anything. I think it's time to push my, "Vote For Whites Because They're Smarter Less racist" political campaign! Bill T.
FIFY ;D