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Member Section => Down Range Cafe => Topic started by: twyacht on March 09, 2011, 08:49:43 PM
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http://www.theblaze.com/stories/breaking-wisconsin-senate-passes-union-bill-without-democrats/
Wisc. Senate Passes Collective Bargaining Ban Without Democrats
In a quick turn of events, Republican state senators in Wisconsin have successfully pushed through a provision stripping public employees of their collective bargaining rights by separating it from Gov. Scott Walker’s controversial budget bill.
The stand-alone measure passed Wednesday evening by a vote of 18-1. No Democrats were present.
In effect, the vote renders Democrats attempts to withhold the provision from the budget bill moot.
With the bill’s most controversial provision removed, Republicans hope Democrats will now return to continue the debate of the rest of the budget proposal.
As you’ll recall, all 14 state Senate Democrats fled the state in an attempt to prevent passage of the budget bill. With the collective bargaining provision included in the budget bill, the GOP needed at least one Democrat to be present for a quorum to allow a vote. But with the provision voted on as a stand-alone measure, the GOP successfully passed the policy with no Democrats present.
The collective bargaining provision was put into its own bill hastily created during a joint conference committee Wednesday. Senate Majority Leader Scott Fitzgerald shepherded the bill through the process as Democratic Rep. Peter Barca objected, claiming the committee‘s meeting was in violation of the state’s open meetings law.
At press time, Senate Democrats were reportedly meeting to decide how best to respond to the GOP’s decisive action.
The Senate-passed stand-alone provision now heads to the state Assembly for approval.
As the Senate voted Wednesday evening, demonstrators gathered at the state capitol building erupted in a roar of protest. Spectators in the Senate gallery screamed “You are cowards.”
Senate GOP leader Fitzgerald issued his own statement:
“Enough is enough.“ ”The people of Wisconsin elected us to do a job. They elected us to stand up to the broken status quo, stop the constant expansion of government, balance the budget, create jobs and improve the economy. The longer the Democrats keep up this childish stunt, the longer the majority can’t act on our agenda. [...]
“We have confirmed with the Legislative Fiscal Bureau, the Legislative Council and the Legislative Reference Bureau that every item in tonight’s bill follows the letter of the law.
“The people of Wisconsin elected us to come to Madison and do a job. Just because the Senate Democrats won’t do theirs, doesn‘t mean we won’t do ours.”
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I'm sure the Libs, and their union thugs won't take this sitting down....By stripping out the fiduciary portions of the bill, they didn't need a quorum, and showed testicular fortitude, and passed it in 30 minutes.
We'll see how "civilized" these union thugs will be. I believe they are still cleaning the Wi, State House Bldg.
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What I want to know is why it's taken so long for the Republican senators to figure this out.
Or maybe they were saving this as a last resort.
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The louder the dems bitch and moan, the better I like it, and the better it is for the country! Bill T.
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What I want to know is why it's taken so long for the Republican senators to figure this out.
Or maybe they were saving this as a last resort.
This was definitely a "nuclear" option - did you see the unions' reactions? Priceless!!! And very well played IMHO.
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My union friends are bemoaning this. Everything they are saying, like sneaky, underhanded, spineless, actually applies to their position and actions.
I've tried to be non-confrontational (on Facebook) with my union friends. Rather than post direct attacks, I post things like George Meany's quote about there's no place for unions in government, etc.
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My union friends are bemoaning this. Everything they are saying, like sneaky, underhanded, spineless, actually applies to their position and actions.
Keep sticking it to 'em Alf. The madder they get, the dumber they sound. Any pro boxer will tell you that you can't fight well when you're full of hate. They're consumed by it since their libtard vision for the country has fallen apart. And it's getting worse by the day for them. Bill T.
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Most of you guys are lucky to be so far away. Apparently Minneapolis/St. Paul, and most of the teachers in our fine blue state were annexed into Wisconsin and have been raped by the Republicans - Well actually it is just the anit-christ, Gov. Walker.
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M58, would you come and drag all your fine teachers back to your wonderful state...take the rest of the idiots with you. Be interesting to see if the run away Dims come back from Ill. to work on the budget now. After all they said they wouldn't come back while collective bargaining was part of the bill; ok geniuses you got your wish so pick up your pacifiers and get back to work.
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http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/03/10/police-remove-protesters-wisconsin-capitol/
The Wisconsin State Assembly passed the bill stripping collective bargaining from state workers. They, (Republicans), have effectively busted the union out of Wisconsin. Watch the dominoes start falling. Illinois, California, New York, and many other libtard states will start doing much the same. It just keeps getting worse and worse every passing day for the liberal democrats. Bill T.
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http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/03/10/police-remove-protesters-wisconsin-capitol/
The Wisconsin State Assembly passed the bill stripping collective bargaining from state workers. They, (Republicans), have effectively busted the union out of Wisconsin. Watch the dominoes start falling. Illinois, California, New York, and many other libtard states will start doing much the same. It just keeps getting worse and worse every passing day for the liberal democrats. Bill T.
Those three and Mass will be the last to go. They have been to far in the bag for to long. Also, it takes a Rep. majority, and in those 4 states that will not happen.
To many drones getting patronage jobs or other forms of welfare
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Those three and Mass will be the last to go. They have been to far in the bag for to long. Also, it takes a Rep. majority, and in those 4 states that will not happen.
To many drones getting patronage jobs or other forms of welfare
True, but the money is gone. When there is nothing left to pay, and the people are pissed who have to see their tax money go to these buffoons, strange things can happen. This gravy train is over. The largest democratic majority cannot create wealth where it does not exist any longer. Simply put, these states are broke and the American taxpayer is tapped out. Bus drivers making $85,000.00 a year and retiring at 45 while the roads, bridges, and schools are falling apart doesn't wash very well. Bill T.
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True, but the money is gone. When there is nothing left to pay, and the people are pissed who have to see their tax money go to these buffoons, strange things can happen. This gravy train is over. The largest democratic majority cannot create wealth where it does not exist any longer. Simply put, these states are broke and the American taxpayer is tapped out. Bus drivers making $85,000.00 a year and retiring at 45 while the roads, bridges, and schools are falling apart doesn't wash very well. Bill T.
Wrong Bill, there's plenty of money, it just isn't worth a sh!t. But there is PLENTY of money.
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Bill,
A few years ago, MA voters were given a ballot question to ELIMINATE the state 5.5% income tax and they voted NO!
These idiots think things are hunky f....k.i.n.g dory here!
Tom is correct, it's sheer lunacy.
A Boston firefighter makes 100K a year, Boston PD and surrounding communities are in the stratosphere. Toll takers on the Mass Pike AVERAGE 30 bucks an hour! A lieutenant on the Turnpike authority cleared 250K with salary and overtime.
It won't change, not in our lifetime...
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A Boston firefighter makes 100K a year, Boston PD and surrounding communities are in the stratosphere. Toll takers on the Mass Pike AVERAGE 30 bucks an hour! A lieutenant on the Turnpike authority cleared 250K with salary and overtime.
It won't change, not in our lifetime...
It will when there is no money left to pay them. They'll be the highest paid unemployed people in the state. Bill T.
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It will when there is no money left to pay them. They'll be the highest paid unemployed people in the state. Bill T.
Boston and surrounding communities have some of the highest earning jobs in America, it's all high tech, bio-med, pharmacological, electronics, etc....one thing about the area, they're ahead of the curve on technology. Maybe not Silicon valley but pretty close.
Besides, even the wealthy are too stupid here to vote out the dickheads!
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Boston and surrounding communities have some of the highest earning jobs in America
And they're already paying some of the highest taxes in the nation. As an example, the house I sold in Illinois back in 1991 now has a property tax rate of over $10,000.00 per year. It was around 2,700 Sq. ft. The house I'm living in now here in the suburbs of Phoenix is a bit over 1,600 sq. ft. and has a yearly tax rate of $1,000.00 per year, or about 90% less for a house a bit over one third less in size. Everything else is equal. This is the kind of thing that cannot continue. They have simply reached the limit with taxation in these liberal, heavily taxed states. They can protest much like I can in front of a Ferrari dealership. It will fall on deaf ears if I don't have the money to buy one. People just don't care anymore about what these people "want". Bill T.
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Besides, even the wealthy are too stupid here to vote out the dickheads!
Many are doing what Rush Limbaugh did in New York. They're simply leaving and taking their wealth with them. When enough of them go they'll be faced with the same thing Wisconsin is now. It's just a matter of time. This is less about politics and more about Accounting 101. Bill T.
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The taxpaying residents simply are unable to sustain union promises of 100% paid benefits and pensions. The politicians that totally enabled this to happen are now feeling the heat.
The Dems, and Union thugs, are having a tantrum right now, cause the ball has been taken away....
The doublespeak from BHO, and countless others that state "We All Need To Tighten Our Belts, And Sacrifice",........well,.....
hello........the SHTF now. Get over it,......
They employed an evil millionares tax in MD last year, projecting those "evil" rich would pay their "fair share",. Guess what happened?
The "evil" rich moved out,....and tax revenue was down.....The failed policies of a failed ideology. Is Detroit not a good enough example?
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All good points Bill, though the property taxes in MA are controlled by what they call Proposition 2.5 where property taxes cannot be raised more than 2.5% without a vote by the population in a special referendum. A 300K home is probably taxed at an average of 14 or 15 mil rate in the cities and 8 to 14 in outlying communities. Do the math!
Anyways, what MA is doing is controlling literally everything. The State controls what utilities, insurance, telephone, gas, cell phones, et al can charge. It is purely a socialist community, without even trying to hide it. It is in the preamble of their constitution.
They don't care what the people want, they will continue along the lines of socialism until hell freezes over. Even the RNC is a joke here, look at Romney, Scott Brown, any number of "so-called" conservatives.
The birthplace of the original tea party is not even a shell of what once existed.
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Bill, It's been known as "Taxachusetts" since the 60's, they will not change .
Do you know the best thing about Whitey Bulger ?
He is the only member of his family not employed by either the Commonwealth of Mass or the City of Boston.
They call it "White mans welfare".
Tim, the reason the Revolution had its roots in Boston was not because Massholes were the most patriotic.
It was because the Colonies Government inflicted the most egregious insults to the Citizens.
The first gun registration in America, (which lead directly to uncompensated confiscation ) occurred in Boston.
The revolution had no real effect there. The British imposed a property requirement as a condition of voting, you had to own more than 100 pounds worth of property in order to vote.
After they threw off British tyranny the State Legislature increased the amount to 200 pounds, thereby taking the vote away from 90% of the men who fought for it . That was why the first armed revolt against the American Govt. took place in Mass as well.
Another thing Bill, you are ignoring the lessons of recent history.
When Communism failed in the USSR the Ruble became worthless, the Army did not get paid. But the politicians did. Pensions would no longer buy anything, but they were still paid at the same rate in money that had no value.