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Member Section => Down Range Cafe => Topic started by: MikeBjerum on March 16, 2011, 07:47:31 PM
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Tonight you can view one of the major differences between any of Michael Bane's productions and Jim Scoutten's productions. In keeping with the law that been passed in 46 of 50 states, "Michael Bane is not allowed to own a Dremel," I saw more Dremel work on a 1911 in five minutes of Sighting in With Shooting USA than you will see in all the years combined of Shooting Gallery.
Sighting in went to Les Baer Customs, and every other person down the 1911 assembly line was massaging something with a Dremel. I could almost hear Bane screaming "Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo" the entire time - especially when they went after the feed ramp ;D
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Probably had the same look as with the Zombie Hoard,...
(http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm182/twyacht/8876_NpAdvMainFea.jpg)
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Good point Mike.
I have a question for anyone though. After looking at Les Baer, Wilson Combat, Kimber, etc.....who is buying these guns at these prices?
Cheapest 1911 in Baer's price list is nearly 1700 bucks! Wilson isn't much different if not higher. While I like quality as much as the next person, heck I make my living making the best parts I can with the tools with which to accomplish that task, I can't see spending that much money for a handgun.
I CAN afford to but never would.
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Good point Timothy, there will always be the top shelf market that is willing to pay $2000 for a pistol, while "we" look at a Springfield 1911A1, or another "cheaper" brand of the same thing, that still works.
I would get one if the bling was available, however, I'll drag my S&W 1911 through the mud, dirt, sand and swamp if needed without hesitation....I wonder if the "money gun buyers" would do the same.
In their designer camo BDU's I'm sure,.... ;D
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I have a question for anyone though. After looking at Les Baer, Wilson Combat, Kimber, etc.....who is buying these guns at these prices? Cheapest 1911 in Baer's price list is nearly 1700 bucks! Wilson isn't much different if not higher. I CAN afford to but never would.
When I purchased my 2 Springfield 1911's and my H&K USP a few months back I gave serious thought to a Les Baer or a Wilson Combat. I even looked at a Ed Brown and a Nighthawk. All of these guns were very nice, but I'm sorry, I just could not see it. I mean $3,000.00 for a top shelf Nighthawk or Ed Brown is just too much out of the ball park.
My Springfield Trophy Match was $1,300.00 and my "Loaded" 1911 was an even grand. Toss in the H&K USP for another $859.00 and the grand total came to $3,159.00. The nicest Ed Brown I looked at was $3,000.00 and change. Same with a Nighthawk. 3 nice pistols, or one? I didn't even think about it.
I carefully compared the Springfield Trophy Match to both the Ed Brown and the Nighthawk, and I'm sorry I could not see that much difference. Same when you compare the top shelf Les Baer. The slide on the Baer was so tight I could hardly move it! I'm told this is "normal" on these guns and they are shipped that way on purpose. They require a "break in" of at least 300 rounds of stiff hardball to "wear in" properly. I grabbed both Springfield's and was gone! I'm sure the money was there if you look hard enough. I just couldn't see it. Bill T.
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http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=220449802
This was one of the Nighthawk's I looked at. It's still there although it appears they've dropped the price a few hundred bucks. Still no takers. Bill T.
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http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=220449802
This was one of the Nighthawk's I looked at. It's still there although it appears they've dropped the price a few hundred bucks. Still no takers. Bill T.
WOW it looks like a.......
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1911 to me! ;)
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I'm about a month behind on watching shows. But I was just thinking, as I posted in another section, why the Dremel is okay to work on reloading tools, but I'd never want to use it on a gun.
Then here comes the "big boys" to prove me wrong. It could be that what's important is the tool/tip your using out there on the end of the Dremel. I guess one rough grinding wheel isn't really appropriate for every job. (Eh, Bane?)
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Actually Dremels and air powered die grinders are perfect for the sort of small work inside tight places that gunsmithing requires. There is nothing wrong with it and you will not find any metal working shop that doesn't have several of one or both.
It's just MB should not touch either, probably no bench grinders, files, stones, or sand paper either.
I understand his Sweetie locks up her emery boards. ;D
That is why he sends out to have some one with the talent perform what he wants done.
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I agree with BILLT. I would rather buy a couple a great guns than one over price safe queen. Last year I bought my G29 and XD45 4inch. The XD came with a promotion that you get 3 free mags and a mag holder. That makes 2 mags that come with the gun and 3 free make 5. How many mags come with Nighthawk?
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How many mags come with Nighthawk?
You know I'm not really sure, but I want to say it was 2. The price point really hits home on these high end, (I won't say overpriced), 1911's when you really start examining what else your hard earned money will buy. Just look at the high end rifles that can be had for $3,000.00. You could almost buy a nice PAIR of Winchester 1886's in .45-70. 2 Weatherby Mark V DeLuxe's could be had for little more than 3K. There are really nice high end AR-15's, ACR's, SCAR's, not to mention high end bolt action sniper type rifles that could be had as well. A Sako TRG in .338 Lapua with enough left over toward some nice glass and mounts for example. You could even pick up a nice Armalite AR-50, .50 BMG in the $2,700.00 range.
If you were to stick with 1911's the sky is the limit for 3K. I've seen any and all of the Rock Island Armory guns go in the $400.00 range. I know they are no where near a Ed Brown or a Nighthawk in quality, but with that said they're not 3K either. For example, here are 3, new Rock Island Armory guns he had right in the case near or next to the Nighthawk.
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=219801644
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=219806534
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=219366500
All 3 would only set you back $1,379.85, less than half what the Nighthawk runs. Or you could double up on all of them and buy an even half dozen for $2,759.70 and still get out cheaper than one Nighthawk. I know the Nighthawk is the far better gun, but 6 times better? In this economy, regardless of how much money you have, it will buy you a lot more for your firearms dollar. These guns are simply priced too high for what you are getting. I'm sure that is the reason they are still in the case months after I looked at them. And like many others, I had the cash in my pocket at the time to walk out the door with it. Bill T.