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Member Section => Down Range Cafe => Topic started by: twyacht on March 29, 2011, 08:18:09 PM
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http://www.theblaze.com/stories/snuff-go-daddy-ceo-under-fire-for-hunting-african-elephant-that-later-fed-hungry-villagers/
Even though, these young bulls destroyed crops, threatened starvation and livelihoods for the locals, OBTW, FED HUNDREDS OF LOCALS, PETA, dubbed this hunt a snuff film
Video At Link.
The Hunting Video That One Animal Rights Activist Called ‘Snuff’
On a trip to Zimbabwe earlier this month, Go Daddy CEO Bob Parsons hunted and shot an elephant. He released a video of the excursion and, predictably, animal rights activists are up in arms. One likened his video to “snuff film.” Snuff is a genre of film, by the way, in which people are killed for sport. Usually, snuff is pornographic–we’re talking hard core–and the woman is the one to die. Do you think that Parsons’ hunting video is comparable to snuff?
In the video, Parsons explains that hunting problem elephants is rewarding: “Of everything I do, this is the most rewarding. This video shows one typical night and day.”
Parsons calls them “problem elephants” because they’ve been trampling on and ruining the crops that local farms need for subsistence. And that’s no small thing. Consider: the day following the hunt, villagers gathered around the elephant and butchered it for meat. As the day went on, more and more villagers rushed to the elephant, clawing at it ravenously for food. Even though the elephant was huge, Parsons notes in the video, there still wasn’t enough meat to go around for all.
And yet, the animal rights activists are more concerned with the dead elephant than with scores–maybe hundreds–of hungry African villagers. Here they are, fighting to get a hold of the last bits of meat:
Laura Goldman, an animal rights activists, called Parsons’ hunting video “a gruesome, 4-minute elephant snuff film.” She’s also circulating a petition that says ”Tell Go Daddy’s CEO: Real Men Don’t Kill Elephants.”
“Elephants face enough threats, such as habitat loss, poaching and drought, to be ambushed and killed by hunters,” another activist said. “There are better ways to alleviate human-elephant conflicts without inflicting harm to elephants.”
What about alleviating human conflicts–like poverty and hunger?
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Judging by the video alone,....seems the locals were grateful.
Where's Ernest Hemingway when you need him?
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PETA is another irrelevant bunch of assholes given an exaggerated sense of self worth by attention on an otherwise slow news day.
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These are the kind of people you pray lay down in front of a bunch of vehicles in "protest" while the drivers gas it. Bill T.
"WHAT'S GOING ON?!!!"...................He just ran over a bunch of a$$holes! Bill T.
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These are the kind of people you pray lay down in front of a bunch of vehicles in "protest" while the drivers gas it. Bill T.
"WHAT'S GOING ON?!!!"...................He just ran over a bunch of a$$holes! Bill T.
That just sent a warm and fuzzy feeling run through me hmmm pity they werent PETA but hey close enough.
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That just sent a warm and fuzzy feeling run through me hmmm pity they werent PETA but hey close enough.
Couldn't have said it better myself. I hope this doesn't raise the driver's insurance premium.
FQ13
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+ 110% ;D
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These are the kind of people you pray lay down in front of a bunch of vehicles in "protest" while the drivers gas it. Bill T.
"WHAT'S GOING ON?!!!"...................He just ran over a bunch of a$$holes! Bill T.
Surprised he didn't blow a tire on the pinheads.
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Ya' gotta admit one thing here. Sympathy is something we don't hand out much of !! ;D Bill T.
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If they want "sympathy" they should go to the dictionary, it's right between "shit" and "syphilis".
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I thought Go Daddy was about hunting beaver ;D
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I thought Go Daddy was about hunting beaver ;D
I'm too old to hunt beaver, but if it gets close enough ........ :o
well i'm just say'n
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I'm too old to hunt beaver, but if it gets close enough ........ :o
well i'm just say'n
Reminds me.......
An 80-year-old man went to his doctor for his annual check-up. The doctor asks him how he's feeling.
The 80-year-old says, "I've never felt better. I now have a 20 year-old bride who is pregnant with my child. What do you think about that?"
The doctor considers his question for a minute and then begins. "I have an older friend, much like you, who is an avid trophy hunter and never misses a season. One day, when he was going out hunting, he was in a bit of a hurry and accidentally picked up his walking cane instead of his gun. When he got to the creek, he saw a prime beaver sitting beside the stream of water. He raised his cane and went 'bang, bang'. Suddenly, two shots rang out and the beaver fell over dead. What do you think of that?"
The 80-year-old said, "I'd say somebody else pumped a couple of rounds into that beaver."
The doctor replied, "My point exactly."
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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^ ;D
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These are the kind of people you pray lay down in front of a bunch of vehicles in "protest" while the drivers gas it. Bill T.
"WHAT'S GOING ON?!!!"...................He just ran over a bunch of a$$holes! Bill T.
"None of them meant to be roadkill." WTF!!! I wouldn't say laid down, they jumped and dove down in the roadway! Brings up the filter I run everything I do through - Don't do anything that would cause Audrey to carve "What did he think would happen?" on my headstone.
Idiots!
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Meanwhile, back at the elephant hunt:
These animals have over populated, they are destroying crops that the villagers depend on for food and the little cash they get, they have also commonly trample homes and kill people on the streets (or what they call streets in those villages), the people are starving, and the villages have no outside cash income. Americans and Europeans with money will pay to go there and hunt. They pump money into the government, they hire guides and provide jobs, they kill dangerous and destructive animals, and the meat feeds the villagers for a long time.
If these idiot protesters would pull their heads out of their rear ends they would see how the "evil rich and wealthy" are using the funds the do gooders want to take away in a type of recreation that provides long lasting good and needs for the poor and starving around the world.
Makes me want to do business with Go Daddy!
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as M58 mentioned, often these areas have people litterly living on the land and what ever aid thier govment gives them. A hunter spending 6 figures( and a elephant hunt is going to be 6 figures) split up among the local population, will drasticly improve thier quality of life. not to mention the conservation factor, both in $$$ and in changing attitudes of the local populations. it is also my understanding the meat is not wasted.
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That's exactly the point. When I was in grad school we had to do three concentrations. My third was in comparative politics where I specialized in Africa (largely because I could study countries that spoke English :-[ ;).) Anyway, it was a good call, because the head prof was a Nigerian that loved to torture the liberals that took African Studies "to save the oppressed". He made Tom look like an soft hearted amateur. ;D "An endangered species? If I am hungry, it is endangered. If its the last one? Well, I'll invite the neighbor's over. Unless it pays, it gets eaten. If some rich white fool want's to pay me to kill it, it will live till he get's there, but not one day longer". Watching the hippies's jaws drop was worth the hassle of being his TA. Plus he always bought the beer. ;D
FQ13
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That's exactly the point. When I was in grad school we had to do three concentrations. My third was in comparative politics where I specialized in Africa (largely because I could study countries that spoke English :-[ ;).) Anyway, it was a good call, because the head prof was a Nigerian that loved to torture the liberals that took African Studies "to save the oppressed". He made Tom look like an soft hearted amateur. ;D "An endangered species? If I am hungry, it is endangered. If its the last one? Well, I'll invite the neighbor's over. Unless it pays, it gets eaten. If some rich white fool want's to pay me to kill it, it will live till he get's there, but not one day longer". Watching the hippies's jaws drop was worth the hassle of being his TA. Plus he always bought the beer. ;D
FQ13
It's called be a "Realist", it is based on the scientific principle of looking at the results of other peoples experiments and drawing logical conclusions.
Since you have been exposed to it you should practice it more often.
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It's called be a "Realist", it is based on the scientific principle of looking at the results of other peoples experiments and drawing logical conclusions.
Since you have been exposed to it you should practice it more often.
Tom, I'm more of a realist (in FP terms) than you are. I have views that would make Kissenger blush. The bottom line is this in FP: "What do I gain if I intervene"? "What do I lose by doing so"? And this above all: "What's the worst that can happen if I intervene and it doesn't work"? Unless you have good answers to all three questions, you stay the hell home.
FQ13
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Where you miss the boat is by thinking that does not apply to all Govt. decisions.
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as M58 mentioned, often these areas have people litterly living on the land and what ever aid thier govment gives them. A hunter spending 6 figures( and a elephant hunt is going to be 6 figures) split up among the local population, will drasticly improve thier quality of life. not to mention the conservation factor, both in $$$ and in changing attitudes of the local populations. it is also my understanding the meat is not wasted.
Watched a new show on Discovery the other night about taxidermy......... There was a ROF (rich old f**cker) that paid $18,000.00 for an elephant head....along with $5,000.00 for a whole-body African lion mount.
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There is a guy that lives up the hill not to far from me, He is a world class guy. most of his work goes to big name museums, but he does put price sheets, to the higher end gun shows and the safri clubs. his full elphant mount is 100k. I think its 3-5 for just a deer head. Like I said he is a world class guy.
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Mike Boyce is the best I have seen.
http://www.animalartistry.com/
TAB is correct $100 K for a full size elephant is not out of the norm
$35K for a rhino.
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There is a guy that lives up the hill not to far from me, He is a world class guy. most of his work goes to big name museums, but he does put price sheets, to the higher end gun shows and the safri clubs. his full elphant mount is 100k. I think its 3-5 for just a deer head. Like I said he is a world class guy.
Are you talking about Aaron Armstrong TAB?
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There is a guy that lives up the hill not to far from me, He is a world class guy. most of his work goes to big name museums, but he does put price sheets, to the higher end gun shows and the safri clubs. his full elphant mount is 100k. I think its 3-5 for just a deer head. Like I said he is a world class guy.
That doesn't seem to bad.
After all, have you considered his overhead ?
Just the stuffing material would probably buy a new car. ;D
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Forget the cost of the hunt and mount. How much will it cost to buy a room big enough to put the damn thing in? ;D
FQ13
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Forget the cost of the hunt and mount. How much will it cost to buy a room big enough to put the damn thing in? ;D
FQ13
If you have to ask, you can't afford it.
The guy who owned the WY ranch where i learned to work cows made his $$$$$ in vinyl siding in LA or SF. He was a youngish guy, had a trophy wife, and was an avid hunter. He had a house where he and his wife lived about 5 miles from the road, a nice patio, and to the side of the patio, had a trophy house. The trophy house was 40-50 feet square, 2 stories without a second floor or internal posts. Every square inch of the place was covered in stuffed heads and animals, including a full-size musk ox and buffalo, about 10 elk heads, wart hogs, deer, pronghorn, African antelope of a number of species, etc.
He sold the whole ranch to the WY National Guard a few years back - I always wondered what he did with the stuffed animals.
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Forget the cost of the hunt and mount. How much will it cost to buy a room big enough to put the damn thing in? ;D
FQ13
where I live, lots.
The permit and school fees alone would make most of you vomit.
<3k sqft $47/sqft 3001-4999 sqft $52.80 sqft 5k-9999 sqft $58.30 10000 sqft $63 sqft, Now thats just permit costs and school fees.
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where I live, lots.
The permit and school fees alone would make most of you vomit.
<3k sqft $47/sqft 3001-4999 sqft $52.80 sqft 5k-9999 sqft $58.30 10000 sqft $63 sqft, Now thats just permit costs and school fees.
But what do you pay in property taxes compared to back East?
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In ca thats very tricky to figure out. if your under prop 13 basicly nothing, if not it can be alot. There arelot of other things that can make it very hard to figure out your exact tax rate.
my countys average is $11.21/ thousand, they don't list what it is for homes. Thats every thing from million homes to 1 arce rec propertys and every thing inbetween.
On average, just the tax with out fees or other modifers is 1.25% for the 1st year. As things get reassests that can change drasticly. Thats assuming you buy a house right now.
we pay about 3% with all the other fees that are billed with property tax. that does not inculde things like water, sewer, trash and any other services.
Our services, fees, taxs and home owners are more then our payment.
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Forget the cost of the hunt and mount. How much will it cost to buy a room big enough to put the damn thing in? ;D
FQ13
One of those rare occasions when I agree with FQ.
OK Big boy, You got it, now whachya going do with it ?
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One of those rare occasions when I agree with FQ.
OK Big boy, You got it, now whachya going do with it ?
"I think we're gonna need a bigger toy room." ;D
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One of those rare occasions when I agree with FQ.
OK Big boy, You got it, now whachya going do with it ?
This brings up another Florida tale (and no, I'm not making this up). A guy rents an apartment in the keys. He is found hours later by paramedics after having painfully crawled to his cell phone. The cause of this? A cape Buffalo head fell from the wall and pinned him to his chair, breaking his shoulder. (And again. I'm not making this up.) It reminds me of the "Far Side" cartoon. A guy is walking down a street in a a city. An elephant in a trench coat and fedora holding a gun is waiting in an alley. "Remember me Mr. Smith? Kenya, 1967. An elephant never forgets." ;D
FQ13 Don't think I lie. When you live down here, you don't need to make stuff up. The truth is weird enough. ;D
http://keysnews.com/node/24179
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Like in the movie Roadhouse:
"Did you see anything?"
"A polar bear fell on me."
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I hate PETArds.
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"WHAT'S GOING ON?!!!"...................He just ran over a bunch of a$$holes! Bill T.
+1!
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good on him,
any one that annoys Peta is a good bloke in my book