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Member Section => Politics & RKBA => Topic started by: tombogan03884 on March 30, 2011, 11:34:52 AM
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http://www.unionleader.com/article.aspx?articleId=e067aba4-be8c-48af-aa2b-246c9f2ecae0&headline=House+backs+bills+to+limit+federal+authority
CONCORD – The New Hampshire House this morning passed three bills meant to reassert state's rights over federal authority.
It passed a bill, HCR 19, that allows the state to nullify any federal law if feels exceeds Congress' constitutional power, and one that established a bill that puts a legislative committee in charge of reviewing whether local governments should be permitted to apply for federal grants.
The Republican majority voted 242-109 to pass the resolution, which rejects any laws or executive orders that go beyond specific powers outline in the U.S. Constitution.
Democrats argued that the measure resurrects arguments that were settled by the Civil War and said it should be rejected out of hand.
The resolution states the state does not have to follow such laws, saying they are "altogether void, and of no force." It also rejects the authority of federal officials who act to enforce laws the state has deemed unconstitutional.
Noting that 40,000 New Hampshire men served and 4,500 died in the Civil War, Rep. Christopher Serlin, D-Portsmouth, said, and "I don't think it is appropriate for this Legislature to mock the memory of those who died."
Rep. Daniel Itse, R-Fremont, sponsor of the measure, argued, "It is our power and duty to stand between the people of New Hampshire and the government of the United States. Tell the world in general and Washington D.C. in particular that when it comes to the usurpation of rights a power of the people of New Hampshire, not here, not now, not ever."
Rep. Gary Richardson, D-Hopkinton, took the opposite tack, and urged the House "end this foolishness."
Instead, the GOP overwhelmingly approved the measure, which now moves to uncertain fate in the Senate.
The House also passed House Bill 590, which sets up a committee to review all federal grants in aid programs and recommend legislation to repeal or amend the programs.
Rep. Joseph Krasucki, R-Nashua, favored the bill, saying "All these grants in aid have strings attached. Many people feel money from Washington is free. It is not. It's your money and in many cases money that's been kited without backing."
Rep. Robert Theberge, D-Berlin, said the bill infringes on local control.
"My question to you who are selectmen or city councilors, are you willing to relinquish your authority to this committee? What about the right to govern one self at the municipal level?" he asked.
The bill passed on a voice vote.
A third resolution rejecting a security agreement between the U.S., Mexico and Canada, also passed, 213-132.
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Once again, the Dummycraps fail to understand the meaning and intent of The Constitution.
It's nice to see your Republicraps have grown a set.
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Holy Chit!!! Did you have a sit down with the Republicans up there, Tom? Excellent Work!!!
The Feds can threaten military action, but I'd bet half the folks who have been unemployed due to the economy would be heading to NH to join the State Militia.
What they actually can do is cut off all Federal Aid, and it looks like your legislature is preparing for that. The counter is to declare the Federal Income tax invalid and all income earned in the state is not subject to Federal Income Tax.
Then I'd bet they state income tax could be raised by less than half of what the feds were taking and everything the feds did that the state wanted to continue would be paid for and managed better....and with cash left over.
I guess these bills still have to pass the Senate there? And then stand up to legal action in state courts?
Still a fight to be won, but what an example.
Now I need to start planning on how to manage to move there if it all becomes law.
Would be a good idea for all the county Sheriffs to lay in a supply of Deputy badges.
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Can't raise the State income tax, or sales tax, we don't have them. ;D
Senate is R dominated as well with an easy veto over ride ;D
We have other budget fights going on now, state employees union, etc.
Dems have been spending like drunk sailors for years and raising fee's and the "rooms and meals tax, plus adding a tax to camp grounds which hurt tourism last year. New legislature has, or is, repealing all of it.
I'm surprised you can't hear the libs screaming down there. ;D
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drunk sailors
HEY!!!!
being a drunk sailor does not make you a bad person!.... ;D
deepwater
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Right, unlike the libs, when a Sailor runs out of money He will stop spending
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yay my home someday!
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We won't leave a light on for you, but we may put a candle in the window, electricity is expensive ;D
Todays big headline
"State to cut 1400 jobs" (Over the past 6 years dem have been growing the state payroll by 1/3 a year )
Come to find out, 1150 of those jobs have been vacant since the hiring freeze went into effect a year ago, only 250 will actually "lose" their jobs, we've had single companies let more go at once. For example, T/C 400+. when the plant moves to Ma.
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No offense, but didn't we settle this in 1865? I don't have enough info to make a judgement here. One thing I would look at is the power of cities and counties vs the state in the NH Constitution. Does the state have the authority to stop them taking federal grants? I know nothing of NH, but county powers vary from state to state.Can a private enterprise be forbidden from taking them? As far as Nullification? Well, Andy Jackson pretty much made the Federal Position clear on that when he threatened to hang Calhoun from the tallest tree in South Carolina. Are you sure this is a good idea? What if Ill. and NJ. follow suit with the 2A? What is your take then? Personally, I'm pretty happy with the US Constitution with its Bill of Rights being the controlling document.
FQ13
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Gee, am I the only one surprised that FQ is paraphrasing the liberal asshat ?
But to answer your somewhat,under the circumstances, stupid question, I would, based on the number of states that have already passed such legislation have to say NO.
Does anybody else visualize baby seals when they read FQ's posts ?
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Never thought Andrew Jackson was a liberal asshat, I guess you learn something new every day. ;D But Tom, you are basically backing up those cities and states that say "Screw the feds, Heller doesn't apply here". You can't have it both ways man.
FQ13
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Never thought Andrew Jackson was a liberal asshat, I guess you learn something new every day. ;D But Tom, you are basically backing up those cities and states that say "Screw the feds, Heller doesn't apply here". You can't have it both ways man.
FQ13
No, FQ, it is not trying to have it both ways.
This bill is to nullify any action that the Feds are not authorized to take under the Constitution. Obama Care (and the slew of other actions under consideration), AND violation of citizens 2A rights are both not authorized under the Constitution.
This opens up the question of what interpretation of the Constitution is valid.
That would seem to be the one ruled valid by the SCOTUS.
Those appointments are more critical than who gets elected to any other specific office.
I agree with them about the recent 2A rulings, but not with the Eminent Domain ruling of a few years ago.
Giving any level of government the ability to seize private property so that it can be used to produce a greater tax revenue is so counter to the founding principles of this nation that is sickens me. Of course, If I was 'god' there would be so little taxation that the ruling would be meaningless anyway.
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Never thought Andrew Jackson was a liberal asshat, I guess you learn something new every day. ;D But Tom, you are basically backing up those cities and states that say "Screw the feds, Heller doesn't apply here". You can't have it both ways man.
FQ13
From the original article : (5th full line, check for yourself )
"Democrats argued that the measure resurrects arguments that were settled by the Civil War and said it should be rejected out of hand."
Yes, you repeated what the asshats said almost verbatim.
From FQ's post :
" But Tom, you are basically backing up those cities and states that say "Screw the feds, Heller doesn't apply here"."
Typical over educated under thought BS.
No. FQ, it is saying that Heller is irrelevant because the they understand the definition of "Shall not be infringed".
You know, that whole Constitution thing ?
Any body got a good club for sale ? ::)
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well done
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Any body got a good club for sale ? ::)
No, but in this case you can borrow mine, free of charge!!
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Giving any level of government the ability to seize private property so that it can be used to produce a greater tax revenue is so counter to the founding principles of this nation that is sickens me. Of course, If I was 'god' there would be so little taxation that the ruling would be meaningless anyway.
If you're talking about the New London vs.....whoever...it was a stupid decision and it went nowhere. The company that the ED was granted for has left the building. All of this BS was for nothing. General Dynamics ended up buying the property in New London for pennies on the dollar of what it was worth and today, the property sits vacant.
New London never made a dime.....
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Here's a memo to the peanut gallery. "Anybody got a good club for sale"? Consider this. If NH sets up a comittee to consider which laws are Constitiounal, what is to keep Illinios or New Jersey from doing the same? And if they decide the 2A is about a "well regulated militia"? What are you going to say then? Sorry. This Southern Boy has had a belly full of states rights. I'll put my money on the Bill of Rights.
FQ13 who says be careful what you wish for. Maybe its because I come from the most corrupt statate in the Union, but I'd rather put my money on tthe US supreme Court than the Florida Legislature.
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It won't make any difference they act that way any way.
So I take it you think the Dredd Scot decision was sound ?
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If you're talking about the New London vs.....whoever...it was a stupid decision and it went nowhere. The company that the ED was granted for has left the building. All of this BS was for nothing. General Dynamics ended up buying the property in New London for pennies on the dollar of what it was worth and today, the property sits vacant.
New London never made a dime.....
First part of that statement is true. The second part is absolutely false - the Kelo decision has been used countless times since then to justify cities and counties taking private land in other states. It is now the law, even though the asshats in CT failed to follow up.
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I meant in that instance it didn't have the desired effect that New London was hoping for Path. I agree that it has been used repeatedly in all the wrong ways.
A side note....anyone traveling through CT would be well advised to avoid New London entirely. It's a shithole! I work about a mile north of that town.