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Title: The Dread Gun
Post by: DonWorsham on March 10, 2008, 01:13:18 PM
Presented in a way that is familiar to gimmicky kitchen appliances, this frightening weapon can fire 120,000 rounds per minute without a human operator. It makes no noise or flash, and can be mounted anywhere and is operated remotely.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=2j6RanjE01U

http://www.military.com/soldiertech/0,14632,Soldiertech_DREAD,,00.html

Title: Re: The Dread Gun
Post by: ratcatcher55 on March 10, 2008, 01:29:55 PM
Don,

It looks like one of the DARPA never see the light of day projects.
AKA:  vaporware.

That's a cyclic rate of more than 1600 rounds per second! Who could afford to feed it? The ammo hopper would be bigger than the weapons platform.

Thanks for the links.
Title: Re: The Dread Gun
Post by: Hazcat on March 10, 2008, 01:30:48 PM
COOL!

It 'flings' rounds due to centrifugal energy not rail/coil gun.
Title: Re: The Dread Gun
Post by: Hazcat on March 10, 2008, 01:33:57 PM
Don,

It looks like one of the DARPA never see the light of day projects.
AKA:  vaporware.

That's a cyclic rate of more than 1600 rounds per second! Who could afford to feed it? The ammo hopper would be bigger than the weapons platform.
Thanks for the links.

Not really.  You only have bullets not brass/powder/primer so there is a huge space/money saver.  And from the write up you can select fire at 10 rounds or any other number, per trigger pull.
Title: Re: The Dread Gun
Post by: DDMac on March 10, 2008, 02:58:08 PM
You know, Haz, if that is correct, it isn't even a "Firearm" under GCA or NFA.
 MAIL ORDER!!!

Mac.
Title: Re: The Dread Gun
Post by: 2HOW on March 10, 2008, 03:04:11 PM
very cool ;D
Title: Re: The Dread Gun
Post by: Hazcat on March 10, 2008, 03:07:34 PM
You know, Haz, if that is correct, it isn't even a "Firearm" under GCA or NFA.
 MAIL ORDER!!!

Mac.

Hadn't thought of that!!  now where's my check book?? ;D
Title: Re: The Dread Gun
Post by: Jim Urban on March 10, 2008, 03:10:55 PM
Yup,technically they're .308 or 50 Cal pellet guns.
Title: Re: The Dread Gun
Post by: Hazcat on March 10, 2008, 03:17:24 PM
Yup,technically they're .308 or 50 Cal pellet guns.

You KNOW those SOBs at that "should be a convenience store" agency are going to screw this up!
Title: Re: The Dread Gun
Post by: DDMac on March 10, 2008, 03:29:21 PM
It is simply not within their authority, without MAJOR changes in the definitions in Title 18, Sec 921 et sec., and that is a really big deal. Now Dept of Def. would have a bite under the munitions control regs as implements of war.
Mac.
Title: Re: The Dread Gun
Post by: tombogan03884 on March 11, 2008, 02:41:50 AM
Mac, I thought Haz was the evil one ;D  But I wish they hadn't "outed" my avatar  >:(    Still, beats heck out of a Red Ryder ;D
Title: Re: The Dread Gun
Post by: Hazcat on March 11, 2008, 07:01:47 AM
Mac, I thought Haz was the evil one ;D  But I wish they hadn't "outed" my avatar  >:(    Still, beats heck out of a Red Ryder ;D

Evil?  ME??  (http://www.clicksmilies.com/s1106/teufel/devil-smiley-012.gif)

(http://www.clicksmilies.com/s1106/teufel/devil-smiley-041.gif)




Title: Re: The Dread Gun
Post by: DDMac on March 11, 2008, 07:12:14 AM
Go after'em for a copyright infringement, Tom, You were there first! We all saw it..

Once, when I was younger, I had to flee Illinois for a while to escape a domestic situation. Stayed with an "aunt" in Ft. Lauderdale, whose next door neighbor had a machine shop in his garage. Great guy, lots of guns, drank and shared good rum, heaven. He showed me a semi-auto pistol (to young to notice the make), but he had mounted a neat suppressor on the barrel. About 5" long and looked like steel coils in metal sheathing. Marked "MAXIM" and a number. We actually shot it in the back yard and nobody knew... Cool. That was about 1964.

Tom, where were YOU in 1964?? Was that you?? If so, had a great time, Thanks, Mac.

ps. Haz, evil?? Nah! He is the victim of evil Women, I'll wager. Mc.
Title: Re: The Dread Gun
Post by: tombogan03884 on March 14, 2008, 03:29:19 AM
No, in 64 I was wishing I was old enough for first grade like "the big kids" But old Hiram DID patent a silencer, as well as a bunch of powder developments. But before he got into guns he had a bunch of patents in the lighting Field, first gas then electric. But I am thinking about changing my avatar.

Glad you had fun anyway ;D
Title: Re: The Dread Gun
Post by: Lucas on March 14, 2008, 12:09:21 PM
We build some pretty crazy paintball guns,  and this looks like the new prototype.  Thinking an electric scooter motor and tire and some pvc!!!  FUN FUN FUN
Title: Re: The Dread Gun
Post by: gunman1911 on March 14, 2008, 07:21:32 PM
Seems like a big can of whup A$$ to me!
Title: Re: The Dread Gun
Post by: tombogan03884 on April 04, 2008, 03:16:27 PM
Just looking through "Poor Mans James Bond" by Kurt Saxon, found plans for a BB firing centrifugal gun !
Title: Re: The Dread Gun
Post by: DDMac on April 04, 2008, 03:58:11 PM
Didn't Da Vinci hold the patent on those?
Mac.
Title: Re: The Dread Gun - not an entirely new idea -steam powered during the civil war
Post by: drcagle on April 04, 2008, 05:12:29 PM
This does have great promise as a military weapon, but it is not an entirely new idea.  Something similar was built just before the civil war, but never saw service.  It was steam powered and probably too large to be practical.  It could fire 100 to 500 ball per minute.  Read up on it and see drawings at:

http://www.sonofthesouth.net/leefoundation/civil-war/1861/may/winans-steam-gun.htm     
http://www.2ndmdinfantryus.org/winans.html

The Myth Busters tv show had a segment on it and built one.  They said it was busted because they didn't think the ball had enough muzzle velocity to be practical, but they were using a very short barrel.  With a centrifical force weapon, you just make the barrel longer and you get much more velocity. 

Anyway, it is interesting to see what may be a practical application of this idea.  After all, isn't the military mini-gun just applying electrical power to a gatling gun?
Title: Re: The Dread Gun
Post by: tombogan03884 on April 04, 2008, 06:49:55 PM
This does have great promise as a military weapon, but it is not an entirely new idea.  Something similar was built just before the civil war, but never saw service.  It was steam powered and probably too large to be practical.  It could fire 100 to 500 ball per minute.  Read up on it and see drawings at:

http://www.sonofthesouth.net/leefoundation/civil-war/1861/may/winans-steam-gun.htm    
http://www.2ndmdinfantryus.org/winans.html

The Myth Busters tv show had a segment on it and built one.  They said it was busted because they didn't think the ball had enough muzzle velocity to be practical, but they were using a very short barrel.  With a centrifical force weapon, you just make the barrel longer and you get much more velocity. 

Anyway, it is interesting to see what may be a practical application of this idea.  After all, isn't the military mini-gun just applying electrical power to a gatling gun?

According to this the prototype was built in 1837 and patented in 1859 and was described in an article in Scientific American in 1861.

At one point Dr. Gatling hooked his gun up to an electric motor and acheived a rate of fire similar to a mini gun. Does that put the 1911 in second place for longest serving US firearm ?