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Member Section => Knives & Blades => Topic started by: ellis4538 on April 15, 2011, 03:36:55 AM
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I know this may be slightly off topic but...
Was watching one of the other SS on OC and they were talking about ways/tools to break out car windows and cut seat belts. They mentioned a tool that "was available at any hardware store" but I can't seem to find one anywhere. One of the knife dealers at the local GS's has a $12 knife that includes these features but I am a firm believer in YGWYPF. Any suggestions?
Richard
PS: Have check the web also.
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I don't know a tool that does both, but a spring loaded center punch will take out any car window that's not laminated (windshield is laminated). The tail end of a metal utility knife might be pointy enough to use on car windows...never tried it.
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This got covered (kind of) in the every day blade thread in the last two or three pages. Start there. Sledge and Haz had a couple of good suggestions, high end and low end. The center punch also works on windows. Of course so does a a good philips head. Still, I tend to think Haz had it right, if its not your go to knife, but just something for the car.
FQ13
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I bought some Smith & Wesson knives for Christmas last year that had a window punch (not spring loaded) and a seat belt cutter. They live in our glove compartments and cost less than $20 each. Well-made, too.
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There are some one ebay. I'd check lapolicegear.com chiefsupply.com quartermaster.com and any number of LEO supply websites
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http://www.wilsoncombat.com/knives_coptool.asp
I think the generic name for them is a 'Cop Tool'. This what your looking for?
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Thanx fq...I new I had seen it before but couldn't remember where.
Richard
PS The Ground Zero looked good but can't for the H.ll of me figure out the conversion rate to calculate the cost!!!!! LOL
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Spring loaded center punch or nearby fist sized rock and the knife you have in your pocket will do the job.
I've never understood the need for a dedicated "seat belt cutter" and side car windows aren't THAT tough to break.
Once you get beyond the flex built into the car window moulding/gasket, they shatter. All seat belts have releases and they are almost ALL in the same place.
In 31.5 years of work I cut exactly one seat belt. All others I used the belt release. The only reason I cut that one was because I didn't want to get beneath the bleeding pile of meat that was a human several minutes ago. Also just to see how easy it was. Answer: VERY EASY.
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Mitch, the idea behind the belt cutter is that you may be hanging up side down, and lets face it, if you just flipped your ride falling on your own knife would really be the frosting on the cake. ;D
No BS, True story. When I was in the Marines some guy coming back to base rolled his car, he wound up hanging upside down for quite a while before help arrived, when the firemen, cops, and paramedics started thrashing around, they found out a rattlesnake had crawled into the warm car, it got scared and bit the poor SOB who had been uninjured till then, just stuck. ;D
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Mitch, the idea behind the belt cutter is that you may be hanging up side down, and lets face it, if you just flipped your ride falling on your own knife would really be the frosting on the cake. ;D
If you are conscious enough and able to move around enough to get to your seatbelt cutter, why not just hit the release button?
Per Tom's point, pun intended, remember gravity is always working.
No BS, True story. When I was in the Marines some guy coming back to base rolled his car, he wound up hanging upside down for quite a while before help arrived, when the firemen, cops, and paramedics started thrashing around, they found out a rattlesnake had crawled into the warm car, it got scared and bit the poor SOB who had been uninjured till then, just stuck. ;D
That's pretty funny! Sucks to be him!
As a side note, what usually 'traps people in cars' is NOT the seat belt.
It's usually their legs crushed under the dash or their feet mangled in amongst the brake/clutch pedals.
(Brake/clutch pedals are VERY strong resisting pushing in the normal fashion. Using side pressure they can be bent rather easily.)
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They have combo tools that are pretty cheap( <$20) that you can buy just about anywhere. I think AAA even gives you one if you get a qoute.
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I have one of these clipped to my car door alongside my wolf eyes sniper 260 led torch
(http://www.kizlyarknifestore.com.au/images/cb12abc033030ff5c5a73f46d0ebc741_image_750x499.jpg)
the blurb
Defender – This particular model was especially designed for use by the Russian Special Ops. Police and parramilitary personnel. The knife’s low profile yet very heavy-duty design is aimed at military personnel who require a tough multipurpose tool, which is light and practical. The Defender also features a handy nylon cutting blade on the back of the handle which is a must-have tool for police, military, rescue personnel and others who are involved in motor sports. The glass breaker on the pommel of the knife is just as handy tool that can save lives in emergency situations.
The knife features liner lock system, which is considered one of the best solutions for fixing the edge in place. The linear lock keeps the blade in lock position even during very hard use.The blade features easy-open pins on both sides of the blade, making the knife universal for both left and right hand users.
Steel used in GZ knives is very similar in its chemical structure to the Kizlyar Z60 high carbon rust resistant steel. The GZ blades contain a minimum of 0.6% carbon and are heat treated and Rockwell tested to around 57HRC. Meaning that the blades will hold a good edge under stress, but most important of all they can be maintained and resharpened with ease and quickly. The blades are sharpened at an bevel angle of 35 degrees, which is the best working angle for medium to heavy duty work and is still relatively easy to touch up and maintain.
Total Length
197мм
Blade length
82мм
Handle length
115мм
Blade thickness
3мм
Blade hight
26мм
Handle thickness
12мм
Weight
115 gr
Hardness
56-58 HRC
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TAB, thanks for refreshing my memory. Remember seeing one at AAA. Will check it out.
sledge, I have looked at several knifes but uncertain about "Local Laws" when I travel and want an "unknife" type.
Richard
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I agree with Mitch. We do roll over drills in military vehicles all the time. We carry seatbelt cutters but are not allowed to use them during training. We just brace ourselves and let gravity do the rest.
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http://www.amazon.com/LifeHammer-Original-Emergency-Hammer-Orange/dp/B000BN3A4Y/ref=pd_bbs_9/104-7480591-6428732?ie=UTF8&s=automotive&qid=1176847151&sr=8-9
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http://www.amazon.com/LifeHammer-Original-Emergency-Hammer-Orange/dp/B000BN3A4Y/ref=pd_bbs_9/104-7480591-6428732?ie=UTF8&s=automotive&qid=1176847151&sr=8-9
Yep. I keep one of those in my trunk. ;D
P.S. That's a joke, son. I'm not really that stupid, but I do know people that are.
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Least you know where it is when ya need it! LOL
Richard
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TAB, thanks for refreshing my memory. Remember seeing one at AAA. Will check it out.
sledge, I have looked at several knifes but uncertain about "Local Laws" when I travel and want an "unknife" type.
Richard
I hear you mate, but frankly I have had enough of the BS laws about what I can and cant do to last me a life time.
We are not supposed to carry a pocket knife unless we have a "reason" to. Apparently because I want to is not a good enough excuse. If its good enough for a crim to carry then its good enough for me.
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Yep. I keep one of those in my trunk. ;D
P.S. That's a joke, son. I'm not really that stupid, but I do know people that are.
I used to keep one in my car. I rigged it up to the door panel. It wasn't going anywhere if the car was upside down, sideways or backwards and was within reach.
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I have seen the release jam once. It was in a 95 or so chevy 1500. It was in a head on crash, so it had alot of force on it. It happens but it is rare.
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My main go to rescue knife thingie for my car is my 4 mo old Cold Steel M-21 ORANGE version. It also comes with a seatbelt cutter and the glass breaker on the back end of the folder body. My knive came razor sharp, was the 4 inch + version, and it resides in the pouch just inside my laptop bag.
seen 3 occasions with trapped people on the road and no knives in any pocket. The second time I had a small spyderco delica that took forever to finish the job, but this time, it will be different.
You should be able to buy one new for about $45 if you look around on line or some classifieds. Its not for EDC mind you, its for keeping in your SHTF bag, and for a paramedic or a cop carrying on the belt or in your vehicle where I can get to it no problem.