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Member Section => Handguns => Topic started by: Marshal Halloway on March 11, 2008, 10:17:46 AM
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Take a listen here:
http://www.downrange.tv/radio/49.htm
and come back for comments.
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I like that it does NOT have a mag disconnect safety as my (brand x) 380 has on occaison popped the mag in my pocket.
I am a little disappointed in the answer on the +P. How come other MFGs will state "+P rated" but Ruger can't/won't?
Also tell them they need to make a double action .22 revolver!
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I didn't hear anything about a mag extension (like Pierce for Glocks). Just to get your pinky on the gun.
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I sorry you didn't talk about the trigger pull, everyone I talk to says that 8lbs seems a little stiff. I'm waiting for the one I ordered, stiff trigger pull or not.
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I sorry you didn't talk about the trigger pull, everyone I talk to says that 8lbs seems a little stiff. I'm waiting for the one I ordered, stiff trigger pull or not.
The look-alike has a similar death grip trigger pull, explained as a safety feature. As they are commonly carried in pockets or inside waistbands, the manufacturer wants you to be ABSOLUTELY certain that you want it to go off, and not when you are just re-arraigning the ballroom, so to speak...
Mine never lightened up, but it has smoothed out and the very long trigger pull becomes routine.
Mac.
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The look-alike has a similar death grip trigger pull, explained as a safety feature. As they are commonly carried in pockets or inside waistbands, the manufacturer wants you to be ABSOLUTELY certain that you want it to go off, and not when you are just re-arraigning the ballroom, so to speak...
Mine never lightened up, but it has smoothed out and the very long trigger pull becomes routine.
Mac.
Yep, same with my 'brand X'.
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SAAMI doesn't spec a +P .380 load; no publicly traded company can say their gun is rated for "+P" in the absence of a nationally acccepted standard. The Buffalo Bore guys know what they're doing, but you need to understand that when you step outside of national pressure standards, you are on your own!
I was one of the guys who hammered out the .38 Super (and the first "Major 9mm")back in the early days of USPSA...bottom line, we blew up guns. We all came to respect Mr. Pressure.
Regarding the BB .380 — which is, as near as I can tell, the only .380 out there described as "+P." My advice would be use it sparingly. Practice with ball!
RE: Trigger...mine's fine, as has been the trigger pull of all the ones I've shot. Don;t know what the weights are, but they're all pretty smooth. I'm not sure I would want a lighter trigger pull on a pocket pistol!
Michael B
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Jeff Quinn reported a rather good trigger on his test LCP -- smooth and under six pounds, as I recall.
I wouldn't want to go into 4-lb. range, but six pounds sounds about right for such a light gun (better than eight).
We'll see. I'm gonna wait a few months for y'all DR viewers/listeners to beta test these critters ;), and unless you report serious dissatisfaction I'll probably pop for one myself then. They look nice, price is reasonable, and I can just imagine too many uses for such a small flat gun.
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Regarding the BB .380 — which is, as near as I can tell, the only .380 out there described as "+P." My advice would be use it sparingly. Practice with ball!
I had actually thought about doing this, practicing with Win white box, blazer or similar, but carry BB. Pop a few BB downrange just have the feel, but keep the load on the gun light until it really matters.
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When I talk to "Joe" at Ruger last week he stated that they tried +P ammo in the little critter and found that CorBon was a little had to handle and that it really was nor made for +P (See MB's reply) and to just load it with +P ammo when going to use it for defensive times only. Also see my post concerning +P ammo in LCP.
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Thanks for the interview. It was very helpful and made me drive to my gun dealer and put one on order!
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Well, finally picked up my LCP. I've been out sick the last few days, went by the shop and there it was. Only one magazine though, and a strange little indented barrel, right off the muzzle, not familiar with that. Anyone care to enlighten me as to what the purpose of that indentation is?
Also, needs a screwdriver or other flat object to take it down, to remove the pin. Is that a copy from Kel-Tec or did Ruger think that one up by itself? ;)
Feels better than the Kel-Tec, not as crudely cut on the handgrips, IMHO, handles very nicely.
Have not fired it yet, snow still melting, but I may get out this next weekend to give it a go. ;D
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I'm jealous! I want mine NOW.. (http://www.rightnation.us/forums/style_emoticons/default/crybaby.gif)
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I'll address this to Pathfinder because he says he picked up his LCP but anyone else can answer (sorry if it has been posted but I have been unable to do much at the computer for a while). I know what the SRP is but what did you actually pay and is there much variation around the country?
I'm also going to add...how does it shoot compared to the kel-tec?
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I'll address this to Pathfinder because he says he picked up his LCP but anyone else can answer (sorry if it has been posted but I have been unable to do much at the computer for a while). I know what the SRP is but what did you actually pay and is there much variation around the country?
I'm also going to add...how does it shoot compared to the kel-tec?
I paid $290 plus tax out the door, but that is from a small family run shop. Lots of competition in the area, three chains (Gander Mtn., Scheel's and Sportman's Warehouse) so I gotta figure they are somehow competitive. None of the others have the LCP tho.
The pistol comes with owner's manual, one mag, a ridiculously short cable lock with a huge Ruger lock on it, a nylon Ruger zip bag, and one spent casing from the test firing. Why no target I don't know, and what I am supposed to learn from the casing is another mystery. But it came in a little envelope with a label as to who shot it, date, etc.
Have not shot it yet, probably not until next weekend. I've been out as I said, and things here at home have piled up on me so I have to deal with those first. That and the girlfriend's cute little 20-month old granddaughter who is living with us wants lots of my time too. Can't resist the big baby blues on that little girl.
On the other hand, the range is sorta on the way home (i.e., it is not the opposite direction, and I could still get home if it were), so maybe after work one day this week . . .
I'll keep you posted.
Have not fired the Kel-tec, so it will be a review of the LCP only, not compared to others.
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Looking forward to more range reports!
I also propose we broaden this LCP thread a little for posts about availability. There are some indications that there may be a real shortage of these little critters compared to the (apparently ravenous) demand.
One major, well connected gun store where I live placed an order through a distributor for several dozen LCPs as soon as the pistol was announced. This shop has seen no more than a handful (as in two or three!) actual pistols, which sold instantly, and it currently has an LCP waiting list with several dozen names on it.
Does this sound like what the rest of y'all are seeing? Are people going to be waiting months for their pistols? Years? (a la the Ruger P85)?
Also what does this massive, previously untapped demand for teeny CCW semi-autos tell us about the gun culture and the U.S. firearms industry?
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Well... I don't know much...but this is what I know. ( No comments from the peanut gallery) (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v467/TMB/BluebirdNut/Emoticons/AllEmoticons/Silent2.gif)
My youngest son Derek, who has D&M Gun Sales ( www.cascity.com/moreguns) (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v467/TMB/BluebirdNut/Emoticons/AllEmoticons/shamelessplug.jpg)
and he wanted at least 10, but they all told him that the distributer's are alloted only so many and each salesman only gets 1..maybe 2.
After all orders are filled, then he will be able to order more at a time. I know that Ruger is making as many as they can as fast as they can. So until then we will have to be patient and wait I guess. ( Something that I'm not very good at) (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v467/TMB/BluebirdNut/Emoticons/AllEmoticons/impatient2.gif)
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Well... I don't know much...but this is what I know. ( No comments from the peanut gallery) (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v467/TMB/BluebirdNut/Emoticons/AllEmoticons/Silent2.gif)
(http://www.clicksmilies.com/s1106/aktion/action-smiley-051.gif)
My youngest son Derek, who has D&M Gun Sales ( www.cascity.com/moreguns) (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v467/TMB/BluebirdNut/Emoticons/AllEmoticons/shamelessplug.jpg)
and he wanted at least 10, but they all told him that the distributer's are alloted only so many and each salesman only gets 1..maybe 2.
After all orders are filled, then he will be able to order more at a time. I know that Ruger is making as many as they can as fast as they can. So until then we will have to be patient and wait I guess. ( Something that I'm not very good at) [/b][/color](http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v467/TMB/BluebirdNut/Emoticons/AllEmoticons/impatient2.gif)
Really?? (http://www.clicksmilies.com/s1106/aktion/action-smiley-018.gif) You??(http://www.clicksmilies.com/s1106/alles_moegliche/mixed-smiley-008.gif) I would NEVER have guessed it!(http://www.clicksmilies.com/s1106/teufel/devil-smiley-023.gif)
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(http://www.clicksmilies.com/s1106/aktion/action-smiley-051.gif)
Really?? (http://www.clicksmilies.com/s1106/aktion/action-smiley-018.gif) You??(http://www.clicksmilies.com/s1106/alles_moegliche/mixed-smiley-008.gif) I would NEVER have guessed it!(http://www.clicksmilies.com/s1106/teufel/devil-smiley-023.gif)
I think you are the one the no comments was aimed at Haz ;D You do enjoy getting her going don't you ;D
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I think you are the one the no comments was aimed at Haz ;D You do enjoy getting her going don't you ;D
Yank Marshal'ettes chain? :o Sweet, innocent me? (http://www.clicksmilies.com/s1106/engel/angel-smiley-028.gif) NEVER! ::)(http://www.mazeguy.net/expressive/liar.gif) (http://www.mazeguy.net/cartoon/joker.gif)
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I'll address this to Pathfinder because he says he picked up his LCP but anyone else can answer (sorry if it has been posted but I have been unable to do much at the computer for a while). I know what the SRP is but what did you actually pay and is there much variation around the country?
I'm also going to add...how does it shoot compared to the kel-tec?
I paid $299 + tax for mine in Tulsa. A little higher than some others but, got to support the locals!!
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How about the range reports ........
I know ya'll have surely made time to test fire the newest Ruger gem.....
What's the results??
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Has anyone seen this gun in south east Michigan?
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How about the range reports ........
I know ya'll have surely made time to test fire the newest Ruger gem.....
What's the results??
Did you watch this vid?
http://www.downrange.tv/player.htm
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I watched the video....looks to be a great carry piece..
I should have been more clear.....What's the general publicopinion of the LCP..
We all know Mr.Bane is biased...LOL Ruger is a sponsor...HeHeHe.
Seriously,the sk*y also looked impressive,but left a lot to be desired....
For you guys that actually own this LCP, How does it perform......
makattack
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OK, new gripe.
I have checked the store, no spare mags. Online from Ruger these little 6-rounders are $27.00 - each! Ouch?
I wonder if the mass quantities of pre-loaded mags that MB talked about when he went shooting at Ruger might be available - used for a little (no, a lot) less?
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I have one of the few LCPs in North LA. I'll make a few comments/observations...
-The magazines are made by Meggar in Italy and are IDENTICAL to the Kel-Tec's other than the base pads. The Ruger's sit up higher.
-You can run P3AT magazines in the LCP perfectly.
-LCP mags do not seat in the P3AT due to the base pads preventing it.
-You can use the finger extensions used on Bersa's and Kel-Tecs's, but there will be a slight gap.
-The magazines are sold locally near me for $21, so I'm sure they can be had for much less than the near $30 people are worried about.
-I also own a P3AT and even though the LCP is a "clone" it is a far superior clone. The ergonomics, quality, action, etc are all better.
-The slide stop is pretty useless and you will need to re-rack on a reload anyway. It only helps if you want to hand feed a round into the chamber.
-You can swap takedown pins with the P3AT it is so similar.
Things I would like to see
-Smoother feed ramp
-Hard chromed version
-Pinky extension designed for the LCP
-Painted front sight
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Thanks for the info... and
painted front sights are a must.. especially for the old and blind.. ;)
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Planning ahead for when you get old and blind Marshal'ette?
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Mine came in today - I ordered it on March 10th. They test fired it just last Friday (3/28) so they are shipping as fast as they make them!!
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are we goign to see a side by side with the Kel-Tec 3-AT?
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Just filled out the 4473 for mine, $280 plus tax. Now the three day wait (in IL). I'll be curious to fire it along side a Bersa Thunderer, and a NAA Guardian 380. 20 to 25 ft. max distance is what these were all designed for.
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I purchased the LCP 3 weeks ago ($259 + tax). I also have a P3AT and have had it for 6 months. I have never had any type of problem with the Kel Tec and have shot just under 50 rounds. I have fired the LCP twice with no problems (around 28 rounds).
I think that the LCP is a much better looking weapon but I think that I like the P3AT best. There are several reasons for this. The first is that the trigger pull is lighter and seems to be just a little shorter. The second is that the gun is so small and with the grips being much rougher it stays seated in the hand when a round is fired off.
On one, of several occasions, I had to fire a weapon during a rain storm. I would have hated to have seen the results if the weapon was slippery during the fight. I don’t think that I could get a good grip on the Ruger if the weapon, hands, or both were wet.
I'll give you $100 for the LCP
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I'll give you $100 for the LCP
Give the man 10 points for trying ;D
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The wife give-a-way needs to go in the Classifieds, but I'll advise you, they are slow movers.
Mac.
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The wife give-a-way needs to go in the Classifieds, but I'll advise you, they are slow movers.
Mac.
You better hope YOURS does not look at this site, or YOU'LL be out in the rain . ;D
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I'll be okay Tom. It's only if I tied to accommodate an EXTRA one that there would be gunsmoke. That's why I just admire, and leave the problems to those who walk on the Wild Side. Mac.
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I'll be okay Tom. It's only if I tied to accommodate an EXTRA one that there would be gunsmoke. That's why I just admire, and leave the problems to those who walk on the Wild Side. Mac.
I'm still making payments on the last one. :'( Talk about paying on a dead horse ;D
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I'm still making payments on the last one. :'( Talk about paying on a dead horse ;D
Chris Rock put it best with regards to that - starts at 4:00 minute mark of video (Content Warning):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=do_0rhFZpMI
"I'm not saying OJ should have killed her, but I understand!"
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Chris Rock put it best with regards to that - starts at 4:00 minute mark of video (Content Warning):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=do_0rhFZpMI
"I'm not saying OJ should have killed her, but I understand!"
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The "keepers" will never be in the classifieds.
Mac.
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I have had my LCP for about 3 weeks. Purchased it at local dealer for $299. I have run 100 rounds of PMC FMJ through it and 350 rounds of WWB flat nose fmj. And 12 rounds of CorBon DPX and 6 rounds of Winchesters new defensive ammo. It seems somewhat prone to have FTF with the round nose stuff (perhaps 2 every 100 rounds) and 2-3 rounds of the WWB had a FTF. These all occurred in the middle of the mag (not the first, not the last round). They all seemed to hang the rim int the base of the cartridge hung up on the mag lips. It seems to be getting fewer and fewer hang ups as I put more through it.
I will tell you that shooting 200 rounds in a short period of time will take its toll on your hand/wrist. After 75-100 rounds my hand starts trembling. I think I want to put another 200 rounds of the WWB flat nose through it and then some more carry ammo before I will consider it ready for carry.
I have seen no unusual wear or other indications of issues on the weapon.
Improvements I would like to see or make:
Grips - they are too smooth. May put some grip tape on them.
Sights - Need some white or orange paint on the front sight, it disappears to easily.
Mags - sure would be nice to have a second one in the box.
That is just my 2 cents worth, your mileage may vary.
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I got to hold one and play around with it the last few days at the NRA show. I can't wait until I get mine so I can put some rounds through it. But I did tell them that I thought that it needed an orange sight on it. I will add it on mine.
Found some nice CC purses too..
I also picked out a couple more little fun guns that I will have to have.. ;)
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FUNNY!
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I've had my LCP for a month now, and after adding a hogue jr grip and painting the sights...(i used orange fingernail polish i picked up at the grocery store, and after a few coats, its lasted quite well - even coming in and out of the holster)
This is a GREAT pistol and I find myself carrying it more than any of my larger ones, which means I'll be more likely to have it should I need it....which of course is worth its weight in gold. The Hogue grip made more of an impact than I ever thought it would, the vibration and shock diminished significantly and as a result the accuracy improved as well. I've thrown just about every type of decent hollow point through it without so much as a glitch - and managed to track down the grip extensions for my extra mags on ebay, however when out and about I use the one without them...it just has a smaller profile and literally disappears in the small of my back. I also purchased one of the small "pocket" holsters, and was blown away at how well it did the job. I could literally slip it in the front pocket of a pair of jeans and it was completely invisible. Again...another bonus. At 15 yards I was able to group within a 4 inch diameter once the additions to the weapon were made. Prior to that it was somewhat pathetic and the lead went all over the place. I have about 600 rounds through it now without so much as a single jam. Anda 380 is better than a 9mm or 40 thats sitting at home on the dresser any day. So - advice to those of you out there considering an LCP - get one and then spend a few extra bucks on a few additions and you wont be sorry. You will end up taking it with you everywhere.
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Yep, same with my 'brand X'.
By "Brand X" are you referring to Kel Tec?
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I didn't hear anything about a mag extension (like Pierce for Glocks). Just to get your pinky on the gun.
I emailed Ruger Customer Service and was told that they are not going to make a magazine extension ion or higher capacity magazine of any sort. They advised me that the purpose of the LCP was to be small and fit in a pocket. I had been told that Kel-Tec has a 10 round magazine in the works so I asked if Ruger was following them. I'd buy either the Ruger or Kel-Tec with a 10 round magazine. Between the magazine and warranty I am starting to lean more to Kel-Tec.
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I emailed Ruger Customer Service and was told that they are not going to make a magazine extension ion or higher capacity magazine of any sort. They advised me that the purpose of the LCP was to be small and fit in a pocket. I had been told that Kel-Tec has a 10 round magazine in the works so I asked if Ruger was following them. I'd buy either the Ruger or Kel-Tec with a 10 round magazine. Between the magazine and warranty I am starting to lean more to Kel-Tec.
The Kel Tec mags work in the LCP also
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What's the problem with Ruger? My name has been on my gun shop list for 3 months for the LCP. And the cost is $319.00 plus tax and $5.00 FDLE fee, if and when it ever comes in. WHAT A RIP OFF. Going to tell them to forget it. :P
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Well believe it or not.. I'm still waiting on mine too........ ???
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They obviously don't know who they're messin' with. >:(
Mac.
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Haven't even seen or touched one let alone bought one.
Richard
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I went to my local candy, oops, gun store and they have two LCPs. One had standard magazine and the other an extended magazine. The extended magazine one was on consignment but the owner of the shop made the comment that you could get them with either magazine. Don't know anymore details on that.
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(http://www.cascity.com/howard/animations/woohoo.gif)
Guess What?? Guess What!!
My LCP will be here tomorrow( Monday) (http://www.cascity.com/howard/animations/73.gif)
Derek ( my son) told me he would have it then if I still wanted it!
Still wanted it?? Is he on crack?!??
(http://www.cascity.com/howard/animations/81.gif)
Of course I still want it...
We are leaving in the morning early for 5 days .. but when I get back.......................
The Bullet Witch will be ready to rock and roll.. ;D
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From you, we demand video!! ;)
Well, ..please?
Mac.
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Nothing less will be accepted ;D
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Hey guys,
Since the LCP is a 'little bitty' gun don't cha think she should wear 'little bitty' clothes when shooting and videoing? (http://www.clicksmilies.com/s1106/teufel/devil-smiley-024.gif)
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Sayeth the Midnight Touchtone Bandit!
Mac.
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So it has been said....so shall it be. (PLEEEEEEEEEEASE! (http://www.mazeguy.net/expressive/pray.gif) )
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Haz, stop begging. Where is your decency man! ;D
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Decency? I'm looking for some INdecency. (http://www.mazeguy.net/silly/sly.gif)
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Haz-
Would you also like to see a demo of the inside the bra holster she will be carrying it in?
;D
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Uh HUH!! (http://www.mazeguy.net/happy/hyper.gif) (http://www.mazeguy.net/happy/jump.gif)
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I'm thinking a garter holster. 8)
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I'm thinking you all are on drugs.. LOL
I got it today.. and I have gently fondled it until it begged for mercy.. ;D
I am going to hopefully get to take it out ..maybe Wednesday for a bit to see how it really feels in my hand.
((And I am way too old and out of shape for the "Little Itty Bitty Clothes" ... so don't hold your breath on that one. ;) ))
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I'm thinking you all are on drugs.. LOL
I got it today.. and I have gently fondled it until it begged for mercy.. ;D
I am going to hopefully get to take it out ..maybe Wednesday for a bit to see how it really feels in my hand.
((And I am way too old and out of shape for the "Little Itty Bitty Clothes" ... so don't hold your breath on that one. ;) ))
I think you should let us (or at least ME) be the judge of that! ;) ;D
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Hey, wait a minute Haz! I too am an expert in being old and out of shape..uh, well, the truth hurts sometimes. I'll just be happy with a range report and a modest picture from the Marshal'ette.
Mac.
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What's the problem with Ruger? My name has been on my gun shop list for 3 months for the LCP. And the cost is $319.00 plus tax and $5.00 FDLE fee, if and when it ever comes in. WHAT A RIP OFF. Going to tell them to forget it. :P
WELL here we are into the second month of the new year and my local gun shop still can't get me a LCP.
Thousands of people are out of work, perhaps Ruger should hire some. I dread thinking of trying to get a LCR.