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Member Section => Politics & RKBA => Topic started by: Hazcat on April 22, 2011, 06:44:38 AM
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CBS News Investigates
April 21, 2011 4:19 PM
CBS News has learned that the Mexican Government has retained an American law firm to explore filing civil charges against U.S. gun manufacturers and distributors over the flood of guns crossing the border into Mexico.
Sources say Mexico's frustration with U.S. efforts to stop the flow of weapons has pushed them into this novel approach. The law firm is looking at charges that may include civil RICO. The contract was signed on November 2, 2010 by a representative of Mexico's Attorney General, at their Washington embassy.
On November 5, 2010 President Felipe Calderon expressed his frustration to CBS News correspondent Peter Greenberg: "We seized more than 90,000 weapons...I am talking like 50,000 assault weapons, AR-15 machine guns, more than 8,000 grenades and almost 10 million bullets. Amazing figures and according to all those cases, the ones we are able to track, most of these are American weapons."
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http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-31727_162-20056210-10391695.html
more and comments at link
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Wouldn't that be kinda like suing mattress makers for unlawful prostitution?
This really shouldn't go anywhere . I think we pretty well established the fact that gunmakers are not responsible for the unlawful use of their production in the Lawful Commerce Act of 2005 (I think that's the year).
If anyone should be sued it should be the current administration for countenancing Project Gun Runner.
Sheesh... I hope we make it to 2012.
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I love this line
Richard Feldman, President of the Independent Firearms Association and former gun industry association executive said: "Maybe we should be suing the Mexican government for their failure to prevent drugs from coming into our country."
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Crusader's post would be accurate except that he overlloks 2 major facts,
1- the current US administration is more threat to America the the Soviet Union ever was.
2- the record of the current administration, re; Arizona immigration law.
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CBS News Investigates
April 21, 2011 4:19 PM
CBS News has learned that the Mexican Government has retained an American law firm to explore filing civil charges against U.S. gun manufacturers and distributors over the flood of guns crossing the border into Mexico.
Sources say Mexico's frustration with U.S. efforts to stop the flow of weapons has pushed them into this novel approach. The law firm is looking at charges that may include civil RICO. The contract was signed on November 2, 2010 by a representative of Mexico's Attorney General, at their Washington embassy.
On November 5, 2010 President Felipe Calderon expressed his frustration to CBS News correspondent Peter Greenberg: "We seized more than 90,000 weapons...I am talking like 50,000 assault weapons, AR-15 machine guns, more than 8,000 grenades and almost 10 million bullets. Amazing figures and according to all those cases, the ones we are able to track, most of these are American weapons."
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http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-31727_162-20056210-10391695.html
more and comments at link
If anyone was still looking for a reason to hate most lawyers and their industry, it is right there in my red highlight! The only explanation for a law firm to take this case is pure greed!
I sense that this could be a case that would cause the sharks to start ignoring professional courtesy >:(
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Sounds like this would be a U.N. approved way to wage war.
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Meet the sharks:
http://www.rctlegal.com/index.html (http://www.rctlegal.com/index.html)
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Well, I really doubt the case would go anywhere, but it would be a "Pop Corn" event watching the Feds records of Project Gun Runner being subpoenaed by the defense.
My guess is that the current administration is complicit in Mexico's decision to file the case and it would be enjoyable to watch the administration trying to decide whether to go blind or get hit with contempt of court.
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One Houston Gun Show I attended a few years ago had a very ignorant U.S. Congresswoman from a local district send stooges to buy class 3 weapons for cash off the record. She really believed machine guns were sold anonymously by individuals at these events, she may even believe the hand grenades are real. So now the public is expected to believe 90,000 weapons were seized and most of them that were traced came from the U.S. How about we don't mislead people with basically factual but deliberately slanted information. Almost all of these weapons came in to Mexico through their ports and southern border (no need to trace them), many were legally sold to their Military and Police (no need to trace them) and the smallest were civilian legal firearms for the American market (these they traced) smuggled across the border. So Mexico here is my plan, you pay us back for every cost we incur from illegals in our country. You owe us for Medical, Welfare, Education, Law Enforcement and all expenses for rehad of Americans hooked on your drugs and after you start sending the checks we will see what other expenses you have caused us. We may even be able to pay down part of our national debt once we stop propping up your corrupt government.
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One Houston Gun Show I attended a few years ago had a very ignorant U.S. Congresswoman from a local district send stooges to buy class 3 weapons for cash off the record. She really believed machine guns were sold anonymously by individuals at these events, she may even believe the hand grenades are real. So now the public is expected to believe 90,000 weapons were seized and most of them that were traced came from the U.S. How about we don't mislead people with basically factual but deliberately slanted information. Almost all of these weapons came in to Mexico through their ports and southern border (no need to trace them), many were legally sold to their Military and Police (no need to trace them) and the smallest were civilian legal firearms for the American market (these they traced) smuggled across the border.( with the help of the US Govt. BATFE, ) So Mexico here is my plan, you pay us back for every cost we incur from illegals in our country. You owe us for Medical, Welfare, Education, Law Enforcement and all expenses for rehad of Americans hooked on your drugs and after you start sending the checks we will see what other expenses you have caused us. We may even be able to pay down part of our national debt once we stop propping up your corrupt government.
FIFY
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No you didn't, the current BATFE scandal is something new but Mexico has been getting smuggled guns from the U.S. for generations.
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No you didn't, the current BATFE scandal is something new but Mexico has been getting smuggled guns from the U.S. for generations.
But the good stuff comes from the south.
http://laht.com/article.asp?CategoryId=14091&ArticleId=390473 (http://laht.com/article.asp?CategoryId=14091&ArticleId=390473)
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The sad thing about this is that if Mexico legalized guns and we legalized drugs, this whole thing would go away in a week. Outlaws would be legal businesses paying taxs with no violence. BUT, what are we doing, tightening prohibition on both items. ::) Who wins? The cartels and LEOs. It makes you want to holler. >:(
FQ13
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No you didn't, the current BATFE scandal is something new but Mexico has been getting smuggled guns from the U.S. for generations.
You are wrong, the "Current ATFE scandal" has been running since the earliest days of the Obama regime.
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so can we sue mexico for illegal aliens?
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so can we sue mexico for illegal aliens?
No, because the bleeding hearts in this country won't even let us call them illegal >:(
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The sad thing about this is that if Mexico legalized guns and we legalized drugs, this whole thing would go away in a week. Outlaws would be legal businesses paying taxs with no violence. BUT, what are we doing, tightening prohibition on both items. ::) Who wins? The cartels and LEOs. It makes you want to holler. >:(
FQ13
Well, yeah..sure, not only that but drugs would be of a consistent quality meaning fewer ODs, the money not spent on a useless war might be use for drug rehab and education and seeking help would not be an admission on a crime.
But then you forget the downside. The government will be hard pressed to find something besides drugs and crime from which to protect us by diminishing our rights.
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Solus pretty much nailed it. The so called "war on drugs" has never been anything but an excuse to erode the rights of citizens and cover for usurping Constitutional guarantees.
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You are wrong, the "Current ATFE scandal" has been running since the earliest days of the Obama regime.
Obama was born in 1961 and even back then Mexican guns were heavily regulated so the guns went south and the drugs went north. During the 1970s I knew a man who went bird hunting when he lived in Mexico. The locals used two large nuts and a wire thin enough to burn through when thrown across two electrical lines. If your aim is true any birds perched on either wire will be electrocuted and can be retrieved. Hows that for a hunting trip? Back before the drug gangs got so big and powerful illegal guns in Mexico were not considered that big of a problem unless the wrong person was found with one.
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so can we sue mexico for illegal aliens?
I think the highway for a lawsuit would be for unemployed people to sue for lost opportunity, wages and benefits.
And the unions should be leading the charge........oh wait, they are mostly just there as the funding arm of liberal democrats, socialist and communists providing government jobs for everyone.