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Member Section => Down Range Cafe => Topic started by: kmitch200 on May 03, 2011, 08:56:16 PM
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Just when you think anything involving the Senate can't get any more senseless...
The top staffer for the Senate Indian Affairs Committee is objecting to the U.S. military's use of the code name "Geronimo" for Osama bin Laden during the raid that killed the al-Qaida leader.
Loretta Tuell, staff director and chief counsel for the Senate Indian Affairs Committee, said Tuesday it was inappropriate to link Geronimo, whom she called "one of the greatest Native American heroes," with one of the most hated enemies of the United States.
These inappropriate uses of Native American icons and cultures are prevalent throughout our society, and the impacts to Native and non-Native children are devastating," Tuell said.
"It's another attempt to label Native Americans as terrorists," said Paula Antoine of the Rosebud Sioux Tribe in South Dakota.
http://www.kansascity.com/2011/05/03/2847213/senate-official-wrong-to-link.html
Holy smokes! Devastating to the children!
"Another" attempt to label Native Am. as terrorists? ::)
May I suggest that from here on, the military codename scumbags: Loretta Tuell or Paula Antoine.
You know...so it's not so devastating to the children.
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Tell her that " Head Sand Nigger In Charge" was already vetoed and ' THE Raghead" and "Chief Camel Jockey" are copyrighted. ;D ::) Will these PC folks grow the F up?
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Probably not.
At least not if Darwin was for real.
OOPS, I forgot, You voted for one of them.
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Probably not.
At least not if Darwin was for real.
OOPS, I forgot, You voted for one of them.
Tell me you never voted for somebody and found yourself regretting it. :-[
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No I haven't.
I do my my research BEFORE I go to the polls.
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No I haven't.
I do my my research BEFORE I go to the polls.
If thats true than you either live in a truly blessed state or vote a lot of write-ins. In all the states I've lived in, the major party candidates were always the lesser of two evils. Some surprised me pleasantly, but most have dissapointed me.
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Don't know about anyone else, but to me, using Geronimo's name for this mission did nothing but point out his role as a respected warrior in this country.
It surely did not imply he was any kind of terrorist, but rather, that he was the kind of warrior we would choose to defend our country against terrorists.
Same goes for naming sports teams with Native American references. No one picks a name they feel is derogatory for their team. On the contrary, they pick a name they think embodies the fierceness and victorious aspects of their team.
Some times the caricatures of the mascots are not in good taste and, no doubt, the team franchise and name are commercialized, but the choice of the name is never guided by derogatory intent.
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If thats true than you either live in a truly blessed state or vote a lot of write-ins. In all the states I've lived in, the major party candidates were always the lesser of two evils. Some surprised me pleasantly, but most have dissapointed me.
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I didn't say my guy (or Gal, ) always won,Voting your beliefs is more important than guessing who will be most popular.
It ain't the damn lottery.
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I didn't say my guy (or Gal, ) always won,Voting your beliefs is more important than guessing who will be most popular.
It ain't the damn lottery.
Unfortunately that is what our electoral system has become. It's now nothing more than American Idol, only with serious and detrimental consequences for the nation. That's how BHO got elected. All you have to do to win is promise the farm to everyone, and outspend your opponent.
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Unfortunately that is what our electoral system has become. It's now nothing more than American Idol, only with serious and detrimental consequences for the nation. That's how BHO got elected. All you have to do to win is promise the farm to everyone, and outspend your opponent.
Bread and circuses for the stupid sheeple.
Communism couldn't win when people had a work ethic, now every one has their hand out.
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Don't know about anyone else, but to me, using Geronimo's name for this mission did nothing but point out his role as a respected warrior in this country.
They had to use some kind of codename rather than saying OBL on a military radio net. (even encrypted)
Like Bob Boze Bell said on a Cowboys episode, "The Apaches were great raiders. The Army didn't name their best attack helicopter 'Apache' because of their beadwork".
The pc idiots, particularly those in this Senate committee, don't have any more important issues to deal with?
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I guess they could have used something banal such as "Hot Dog"........ but only at the peril of raising the hackles of PETA........ and eaters of hot dogs everywhere. ::) ::)
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Maybe they should have used "Pelosi" instead. I'm sure that would have gone over better. ;D
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Those code names are computer generated to guarantee the random nature and prevent them giving any hint of the subject.
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I always thought that the Apaches were supposed to be some tough sons of bitches. I guess they've just become some bead/blanket hawking pu$$ies, waitin on their gubmint checks. I hope my Commanche cousins haven't fallen so far (although I'm afraid they probably have :-\).
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I always thought that the Apaches were supposed to be some tough sons of bitches. I guess they've just become some bead/blanket hawking pu$$ies, waitin on their gubmint checks. I hope my Commanche cousins haven't fallen so far (although I'm afraid they probably have :-\).
Actually, they are once again scalping palefaces, this time at the casinos and in high $$$ elk hunts.Good for them! ;D
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Their ability to fight did them no good. They were beaten the first time they accepted an iron ax or steel knife.
It wasn't the fire power of Colts and Winchesters that beat them. It was their desire for something they could not produce for themselves.
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Their ability to fight did them no good. They were beaten the first time they accepted an iron ax or steel knife.
It wasn't the fire power of Colts and Winchesters that beat them. It was their desire for something they could not produce for themselves.
Actually, it was the logistics, as it always is. They were subsistence hunters tied to family groups. They didn't have the ability to leave the families behind and fight for extended periods without having to hunt. This combined with numbers, limited water (which made it relatively easy to know where they would go) and superior firpower and resupply made it game over. Becoming dependenton the enemies weapons didn't help all that much, but they used what they got well.
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Actually, it was the logistics, as it always is. They were subsistence hunters tied to family groups. They didn't have the ability to leave the families behind and fight for extended periods without having to hunt. This combined with numbers, limited water (which made it relatively easy to know where they would go) and superior firpower and resupply made it game over. Becoming dependenton the enemies weapons didn't help all that much, but they used what they got well.
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Much of what you say may be true of the western indians, but it does not apply to the Eastern tribes.
Water was readily available , as far west as the Mississippi basin they lived in established towns , relying on tended crops just like the European settlers, and the single shot muzzle loader actually was inferior in rate of fire to the bow, while it may have given some advantage in range this was largely negated by the forests where most fighting took place.
The Three things that defeated the Eastern tribes, and set the stage for the defeat of all tribes were:
1 - Inability to work together, the individual tribes put their own interests ahead of the interests of the whole, often supplying help to the Whites against an ancestral foe only to later become victims themselves.
2 - Dependance on trade for things they could not supply themselves, For example, during the 150 years between Plymouth Rock and the Revolution many natives gave up the bow in favor of the rifle, with the defeats of their French, and later, British allies they became dependent on the US Gov. for their supplies of powder and shot, at the same time their skill with the bow declined, therefore when their powder ran out they no longer could war, but their ability to hunt was also degraded.
3 - Individual discipline, Trained soldiers will ALWAYS defeat warriors in any but single combat. Warriors fight as a group of single fighters for personal glory, soldiers on the other hand fight as part of a mutually supporting unit, while the warrior may be the better of any single soldier, while he is proving it the rest of the unit is moving to isolate and overwhelm him.
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You're right Tom...all that.
....and smallpox and such. Don't forget the germ warfare.