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Member Section => Down Range Cafe => Topic started by: Lucas on March 13, 2008, 06:15:54 PM
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I need some consolation here people!!
I just read Banes' Blog and I'm Freaking Out. Does anyone else feel the same? Whats the time frame here? Comments???
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Have looked for the blogg and can not find it where oh where is it?
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go to the downrange home page and down to mr. bane's blog
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Already being done in Boston
http://www.boston.com/news/local/articles/2008/02/09/police_set_to_search_for_guns_at_homes/?page=1
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Okay I'm a little bit calmer. But I'm suprised that Bane's blog doesnt provoke more hysteria. Besides the joining the NRA, what can we really do to prevent this?? Is this just the way its going to be. They are going to come to my house and TRY and take my Grandfathers 30-06 away. Can we be so few in numbers that our opinions dont make a differance.
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Okay I'm a little bit calmer. But I'm suprised that Bane's blog doesnt provoke more hysteria. Besides the joining the NRA, what can we really do to prevent this?? Is this just the way its going to be. They are going to come to my house and TRY and take my Grandfathers 30-06 away. Can we be so few in numbers that our opinions dont make a differance.
Oh, I didn't mean to calm you down! Just the opposite really. If they try to take mine....well, you'll hear about it!
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Oh, I didn't mean to calm you down! Just the opposite really. If they try to take mine....well, you'll hear about it!
Yes, even CNN will cover THAT.
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Already being done in Boston
http://www.boston.com/news/local/articles/2008/02/09/police_set_to_search_for_guns_at_homes/?page=1
I heard about this on NRA news w/ Cam Edwards late last year, They are going to the homes of kids identified as "gang members" to look for drugs and guns, Their only authority is asking the Parents permission, 2 things, according to Cam a study showed that parents of MOST juvenile gang members also had criminal records of gang involvement, and guns and drugs found would be confiscated, guns would be tested to see if they matched any assaults or murders, BUT NO CHARGES WOULD BE FILED AGAINST THE JUVENILES.
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Okay I'm a little bit calmer. But I'm suprised that Bane's blog doesnt provoke more hysteria. Besides the joining the NRA, what can we really do to prevent this?? Is this just the way its going to be. They are going to come to my house and TRY and take my Grandfathers 30-06 away. Can we be so few in numbers that our opinions dont make a differance.
They think our opinions don't count. But a couple of facts are important here.
1. The LEOs, albeit gummint funded thugs in some cases, are not the ones issuing the orders, they are the ones following the orders. And we hung people after WWII for following criminal orders.
2. The people issuing the orders sit fat, dumb and happy (or is it fat, drunk and stupid, ala Flounder and Teddy Kennedy?) in secure facilities with taxpayer-provided security forces protecting their fascist asses, and yes, our opinions do not matter to them one tinker's damn.
3. A lot of us have already felt that hysteria, and it has turned to a quiet rage that is waiting for the spark to set it off. I hope the spark never comes, but as someone noted in another thread on the MTV ads, if those little wankers at MTV are beginning to get it, then maybe we are very close to a hard war instead of the soft war we are currently in.
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What is that thread? MTV?
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What is that thread? MTV?
In "Politics" Political Correctness will kill the US, posted by Marshal'ette, scroll down to the post by 2How (http://www.downrange.tv/forum/index.php?topic=1637.msg15638#msg15638), click on the link.
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There's a wake-up call for ya. But, New York as well as Cali. are both well known for such bull. Even most in Congress know better than to try to take after them.
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The "big thinikers" in government sit around and try to dream up new ways to fight crime, or at least look like they are fighting crime. They don't need to produce results and can satisfy their political bosses and the public, who are spoon-fed through the media, with the perception that things are getting better. The brass in most police departments haven't been on the streets in many years, and have become seat polishers only concerned with career advancement. They will sign onto just about any program that comes down the pipe and try to take credit for thinking it up. Most street cops just want to get through their shift in one piece and go home. However, there are some eager beaver career builders who buy onto the programs and want to lead the charge. Again, it is all about career building and "ass kissing."
When a pair of uniform police officers knocks on your door in the night, they bank on the fact that most folks are intimidated by their presence and immediately become defensive. Most folks want to cooperate with the police and are eager to show they have nothing to hide. That is the psychology behind what is referred to as a "knock and talk." I've done them, and most cops have at one time or another. You have no probable cause to get a warrant for some activity you suspect is going on, so you knock on the door and try to talk the residents into a "consent" search. If the home owner refuses, the officers then begin asking what they have to hide, and if they have done noting wrong, they have nothing to worry about. It is a legitimate tactic, and in some cases, puts real scum-bags on notice that the cops are interested in them. This tactic was never intended to be used for fishing expeditions into law abiding people's lives for political reasons.
I was a police officer for 30 years. Like almost every cop, I worked the endless graveyard shifts, dealing with humanity when they are at their worse. I managed to work my way into detectives where I was able to remain until I retired. I'm not turning on my brothers & sisters in blue here, but there are rules of behavior and any shortcuts to those rules hurts us all. Just because a cop knocks on your door and asks for cooperation, does not mean you should give it. We have rights that protect us from unreasonable search and seizure. No one should give up their rights! Cops are taught how to talk people out of their rights, but we must remain firm. If an officer should tell you, "I could get a warrant." Tell them to go get one and close the door. Nobody HAS to talk to the police. It's an individual matter, but if an officer came to my home wanting to search for anything, I'd refuse. If my neighborhood officer wishes to talk about suspicious behavior in the neighborhood, I'll tell them what I know. Heck, if they want to use my living room for running a surveillance on a dope house down the street, I'll furnish the coffee and donuts. But I'm not going to gfive up any of my rights. Too many good men have died to secure them for me.
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Pioneer,
Here's a little story for ya on why I do not ever trust police.
Last week my Dad found a handicap permit in a parking lot. He brought it home and asked me how we can get it back to the correct person. So I called the police. They said they would send an officer to pick it up.
Sometime later said officer shows up (I was not home) and my son (14) answers the door. The cop just starts to walk in and Haz Jr politely tells him to wait outside.
Needed background info: Haz Jr uses a slide rule instead of a calculator and wears said slide rule in a leather case hanging from his belt. soooo....
Haz Jr gets the permit and extends it toward the cop. Cop is writing something but he stops and reaches out with his pen and flips the top of the leather slide rule case open, takes a look and THEN accepts the permit.
Son tells me this later and I am NOT happy. I tell my GF and Dad that I am going to complain. Dad says "well if you think so" and GF says "Oh my, don't do that you will get on the 'list'". I tell her I don't give a good damn about any list and that the cop had NO RIGHT to the unauthorized search.
I did call and complain to the Chief but was given 'stock' answers of "Well, the officer was just checking, and I'll talk to him" BS.
So it is obvious to me that the average citizen is a scared sheep and that the cops routinely over step their allotted duties and responsibilities to say nothing of flaunting the law.
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>:( To bad Haz Jr. didn't have older witnesses to back him up. between a 14 year old and a Cop, the judge will ALWAYS take the Cops side. >:( I'm surprised the Cop could tell the differance between a slide rule and some sort of bladed weapon.
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Hey Haz, that is technically an illegal search I guess. Not to defend the cop, but if the guy is under 40 or 50 years old, he may have never SEEN a slide rule before. I used to wear one is school because I couldn't afford the $700 HP calculator. When my math genius daughter was home from college I found my slide rule in the closet and showed it to her. She said she had "Heard of them" but had never seen one. She then happily spent several hours trying out all the stuff she knew on the thing. I gave it to her to hang on her wall like a flintlock.
The point is, the cop was out of line, but he probably had no idea what mini Haz had on his belt.
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Jaybeth,
I (and Haz Jr) figured the same thing and had the cop ASKED, Haz Jr would have been happy to explain and show him.
This cop was there to pick something up. He was not called or dispatched to a potential crime scene / disturbance, etc. He was on private property and Haz Jr had made no threatening remarks or actions. He just figured he had the power (and I'll bet he thought he had the right) to 'check things out'.
Cops in general, are out of control.
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I think it's an occupational hazard that they lose their perspective on a LOT of different things. Suspicion is their daily mindset and it's hard to let that go.
I've got a LEO in the family, good guy who does a lot of good and actually prevents crime, but he occasionally pisses me off with tales of busting balls. That's not what the badge is for, but it seems to be pretty common. I've had good experiences and bad with those people and I guess they're like everybody else...there's two ends to the horse, right?
I'm not defending them because everyone has to do their job and still be stand up- but they do have a hard job. Having said that, I've known several that are just plain scary, and that's not right.
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I agree with Haz.. If it would have been my child..It would have pissed me off..
Mainly because he played the Big Shot because it was a kid. I'm betting he wouldn't have done that if it had of been an adult standing there.
Here you have a kid who is polite and obviously NOT being a smart ass and simply standing there waiting for the cop to take something that YOU had called and requested he come and get.
If the cop had just ask what that was on his belt.. ...there wouldn't have been a problem on either end.
That is why so many things get out of control sometimes when it could be so easy.
I realize too that cops deal with crap all day long and I am sure that they get an attitude.. but this wasn't a 'situation" where there should have been anything but an officer picking up a paper.
**I think that everyone is a bit on edge in these times.. on both sides..**
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Here's another big reason to not trust cops.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,336850,00.html
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That IS scary!!
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I ,probably, would have issued some challenge before I pulled the trigger, unless the unidentified form was ALL the way in. You ever notice that sometimes when some "Brave officer" gets killed, the FACTS show him to have been a jerk.