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Member Section => Down Range Cafe => Topic started by: philw on June 07, 2011, 10:43:45 PM
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http://blogs.forbes.com/larrybell/
It may not come as surprising news to many of you that the United Nations doesn’t approve of our Second Amendment. Not one bit. And they very much hope to do something about it with help from some powerful American friends. Under the guise of a proposed global “Small Arms Treaty” premised to fight “terrorism”, “insurgency” and “international crime syndicates” you can be quite certain that an even more insidious threat is being targeted – our Constitutional right for law-abiding citizens to own and bear arms.
What, exactly, does the intended agreement entail?
While the terms have yet to be made public, if passed by the U.N. and ratified by our Senate, it will almost certainly force the U.S. to:
Enact tougher licensing requirements, creating additional bureaucratic red tape for legal firearms ownership.
Confiscate and destroy all “unauthorized” civilian firearms (exempting those owned by our government of course).
Ban the trade, sale and private ownership of all semi-automatic weapons (any that have magazines even though they still operate in the same one trigger pull – one single “bang” manner as revolvers, a simple fact the ant-gun media never seem to grasp).
Create an international gun registry, clearly setting the stage for full-scale gun confiscation.
In short, overriding our national sovereignty, and in the process, providing license for the federal government to assert preemptive
powers over state regulatory powers guaranteed by the Tenth Amendment in addition to our Second Amendment rights.
Have no doubt that this plan is very real, with strong Obama administration support. In January 2010 the U.S. joined 152 other countries in endorsing a U.N. Arms Treaty Resolution that will establish a 2012 conference to draft a blueprint for enactment. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton has pledged to push for Senate ratification.
Former U.N. ambassador John Bolton has cautioned gun owners to take this initiative seriously, stating that the U.N. “is trying to act as though this is really just a treaty about international arms trade between nation states, but there is no doubt that the real agenda here is domestic firearms control.”
More from contributor Larry Bell
Although professing to support the Second Amendment during her presidential election bid, Hillary Clinton is not generally known as a gun rights enthusiast. She has been a long-time activist for federal firearms licensing and registration, and a vigorous opponent of state Right-to-Carry laws. As a New York senator she ranked among the National Rifle Association’s worst “F”-rated gun banners who voted to support the sort of gunpoint disarmament that marked New Orleans’ rogue police actions against law-abiding gun owners in the anarchistic aftermath of Hurricane Katrina.
President Obama’s record on citizen gun rights doesn’t reflect much advocacy either. Consider for example his appointment of anti-gun rights former Seattle Mayor Greg Nickels as an alternate U.S. representative to the U.N., and his choice of Andrew Traver who has worked to terminate civilian ownership of so-called “assault rifles” (another prejudicially meaningless gun term) to head the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives.
Then, in a move unprecedented in American history, the Obama administration quietly banned the re-importation and sale of 850,000 collectable antique U.S.-manufactured M1 Garand and Carbine rifles that were left in South Korea following the Korean War. Developed in the 1930s, the venerable M1 Garand carried the U.S. through World War II, seeing action in every major battle.
As an Illinois state senator, Barack Obama was an aggressive advocate for expanding gun control laws, and even voted against legislation giving gun owners an affirmative defense when they use firearms to defend themselves and their families against home invaders and burglars. He also served on a 10-member board of directors of the radically activist anti-gun Joyce Foundation in Chicago during a period between 1998-2001when it contributed $18,326,183 in grants to anti-Second Amendment organizations.
If someone breaks into your home when you are there, which would you prefer to have close at hand: 1) a telephone to call 911, or 2) a loaded gun of respectable caliber? That’s a pretty easy question for me to answer. I am a long-time NRA member, concealed firearms license holder and a regular weekly recreational pistol shooter. And while I don’t ordinarily care to target anything that has a mother, will reluctantly make an exception should an urgent provocation arise. I also happen to enjoy the company of friends who hunt, as well as those, like myself, who share an abiding interest in American history and the firearms that influenced it.
There are many like me, and fewer of them would be alive today were it not for exercise of their gun rights. In fact law-abiding citizens in America used guns in self-defense 2.5 million times during 1993 (about 6,850 times per day), and actually shot and killed 2 1/2 times as many criminals as police did (1,527 to 606). Those civilian self-defense shootings resulted in less than 1/5th as many incidents as police where an innocent person was mistakenly identified as a criminal (2% versus 11%).
Just how effectively have gun bans worked to make citizens safer in other countries? Take the number of home break-ins while residents are present as an indication. In Canada and Britain, both with tough gun-control laws, nearly half of all burglaries occur when residents are present. But in the U.S. where many households are armed, only about 13% happen when someone is home.
Recognizing clear statistical benefit evidence, 41 states now allow competent, law-abiding adults to carry permitted or permit-exempt concealed handguns. As a result, crime rates in those states have typically fallen at least 10% in the year following enactment.
So the majority in our Senate is smart enough to realize that the U.N.’s gun-grab agenda is unconstitutional, politically suicidal for those who support it, and down-right idiotic—right? Let’s hope so, but not entirely count on it. While a few loyal Obama Democrats are truly “pro-gun”, many are loathe to vote against treaties that carry the president’s international prestige, causing him embarrassment.
Also, don’t forget that Senate confirmation of anti-gun Obama nominee Supreme Court Justice Sonia Sotomayor. Many within the few who voted against her did so only because of massive grassroots pressure from constituents who take their Constitutional protections very seriously.
Now, more than ever, it’s imperative to stick by our guns in demanding that all Constitutional rights be preserved. If not, we will surely lose both.
problem is that Aust has signed up to this Bull crap :(
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The current US administration, ( Obama and Hillery ) reversed the long standing US policy of opposition to this.
F*ck'em, they have to enforce it.
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The current US administration, ( Obama and Hillery ) reversed the long standing US policy of opposition to this.
F*ck'em, they have to enforce it.
Tom, the odds of the US Senate ratifying this are up there with the odds of the two of us being caught naked in bed together with Nancy Pelosi (as in I'll be be dead if it happens). Unless the South secedes again (joined by the West), you aren't ever going to find a 2/3rds Senate vote for this. Be not afraid.
FQ13
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Tom, the odds of the US Senate ratifying this are up there with the odds of the two of us being caught naked in bed together with Nancy Pelosi (as in I'll be be dead if it happens). Unless the South secedes again (joined by the West), you aren't ever going to find a 2/3rds Senate vote for this. Be not afraid.
FQ13
That kind of attitude will lull us to sleep, and we will wake up asking what happened.
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Tom, the odds of the US Senate ratifying this are up there with the odds of the two of us being caught naked in bed together with Nancy Pelosi
FQ13
You and Tom put your clothes on and leave Nancy alone. And I mean RIGHT NOW!
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Below is a link to a statement that points out that international treaties have no power to intrinsically override the Constitution.
It does warn that it may have that effect if The People allow it to be considered as doing so.
The statement is speaking of the Global Warming Treaty but applies to the Small Arms Treaty.
Long read.
http://www.freedomfirstsociety.org/articles/articles/38/1/Beware-the-False-Idea-that-Treaties-Override-the-Constitution/Page1.html
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Call me crazy but in a few years time there will be two maybe be three factions controlling the worlds forces and policies.
I just hope that we (australia) decides to go with the right one. Because anything in which europe is involved with spells disaster on a massive scale.
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That kind of attitude will lull us to sleep, and we will wake up asking what happened.
Where are the 64 votes going to come from? Assume Biden is one, throw in Ca., only 1/2 of Mass.,even with Ny., etc voting yes (maybe), you still have the entire South and most of the West, plus NH and probably Vt. and maybe Me. saying no. No GOP Senator or Blue Dog Dem will vote for it, hell Bernie Sanders is anti-gun control and voted to prohibit funding for any UN program that limits our gun rights. Its a non-starter M58.
FQ13
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If it is ok with you I am not going to count on that just happening. I will continue to make contacts and urge others to do the same!
This is a perfect chance to remind everyone that we are out here, we are watching, and we will not put up with this crap. Messages sent this way will also travel on up the network to Clinton and the United Nations. Like it or not, they must hear it!
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Tom, the odds of the US Senate ratifying this are up there with the odds of the two of us being caught naked in bed together with Nancy Pelosi (as in I'll be be dead if it happens). Unless the South secedes again (joined by the West), you aren't ever going to find a 2/3rds Senate vote for this. Be not afraid.
FQ13
I have not had a more disturbing vision since Angie Bowie described in her autobiography how she came home one day and found David Bowie in bed with Mick Jagger! <shudder>
As for your later post, FQ (who voted for yada yada yada), you assume anything you want. As for me, I will contact my Senators (BFD) and buy more ammo.
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I have not had a more disturbing vision since Angie Bowie described in her autobiography how she came home one day and found David Bowie in bed with Mick Jagger! <shudder>\
I aim to please Path. After all, why should Red have all the fun in making folks cringe? ;D
FQ13
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FQ, You are one sick SOB.
PS, Can I borrow you pistol when your done ? In that situation one suicide weapon won't be enough.
For your 2nd post, Snowe and Collins in Me. would both go for it, they aren't "Reps in name only" they are Dems in all but name. Same with Mass, Brown is a POS, it just doesn't say "D" after his name.
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http://thetruthaboutguns.com/2011/06/robert-farago/the-u-n-small-arms-treaty-is-not-aimed-at-grabbing-your-guns/
The U.N. Small Arms Treaty is Not A Gun-Grabbing Conspiracy
Posted on June 7, 2011 by Robert Farago
It’s been a while since TTAG attempted to dispel fears about the U.N. Small Arms Treaty. As we’ve said on numerous occasions (enter “treaty” in the home page search box), the U.N. Small Arms Treaty is about regulating inter-governmental sales of small arms; to get the rest of the world to sign up to the same controls that the United States uses currently (e.g. end user certificates). It’s a shame the U.N. is about as transparent a granite wall; the lack of a draft accord has allowed the GG-RAN (Gun Grabbing Red Alert Network) to run wild with rumors of U.N. storm troopers showing up at American gun owners’ doors to prize weapons from their [soon-to-be] cold, dead hands. A Forbes article entitled U.N. Agreement Should Have All Gun Owners Up in Arms has reignited these rumors . . .
What, exactly, does the intended agreement entail?
While the terms have yet to be made public, if passed by the U.N. and ratified by our Senate, it will almost certainly force the U.S. to:
1. Enact tougher licensing requirements, creating additional bureaucratic red tape for legal firearms ownership.
2. Confiscate and destroy all “unauthorized” civilian firearms (exempting those owned by our government of course).
3. Ban the trade, sale and private ownership of all semi-automatic weapons (any that have magazines even though they still operate in the same one trigger pull – one single “bang” manner as revolvers, a simple fact the ant-gun media never seem to grasp).
4. Create an international gun registry, clearly setting the stage for full-scale gun confiscation.
5. In short, overriding our national sovereignty, and in the process, providing license for the federal government to assert preemptive powers over state regulatory powers guaranteed by the Tenth Amendment in addition to our Second Amendment rights.
Note the words “almost certainly” before Larry Bell’s source-free Red Dawn-like plot outline for the destruction of Americans’ Second Amendment right to keep and bear arms. While I’ve been upbraided by The Walls of the City for being a lazy journalist (don’t ask), Bell makes this gun blogger look like a New Yorker fact checker (should such a thing still exist).
This is the same Chicken Little routine the Gun Owners of America and the NRA have been selling for a while. Though not recently; sleeping dogs have been lying (so to speak) since last November. That’s when I posted Here’s the U.N. Gun Grab You’re Looking For.
While the price of freedom is eternal cliches—I mean vigilance, it’s a good idea to watch the right threat. As the Brits say, it’s the bus you don’t see that kills you.
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It won't happen.