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Title: Remington NPSS .22 Range Report - The sequel!
Post by: Badgersmilk on June 21, 2011, 07:27:57 PM
One of those times part 2 is WAAAAAYYY better than the original!   ;D ;D ;D

Just got back, dripping with sweat, IT'S FREAKIN HOT/HUMID OUT!!!  Hi again DNR guy!

Full report after a shower and another beer!

  [Teaser] - there MAY be a dead animal involved!   ;)

Title: Re: Remington NPSS .22 Range Report... The sequal!
Post by: 1911 Junkie on June 21, 2011, 08:23:02 PM
Ohhhhhh........ it's finally here.  ;D
Title: Re: Remington NPSS .22 Range Report... The sequal!
Post by: Badgersmilk on June 21, 2011, 09:35:02 PM
Alright, let me start with.  It's 10 degress hotter than hell out there, and the humidity is so thick the scope, rangefinder, & camera lenses ALL fogged completely over.  BLAAAHH!  On top this, I've got around 30 ant bites all over my feet and legs.  You know how hard it is to shoot when an ant bites right on top your second tow???   :o

BUT, I set the target at exactly 30 yards (per Bushnell Elite 1500 rangefinder if your wondering).  Starting at this range it took several shots to get on target.  Once there, all my problems were over!  Except the fore mentioned heat and freakin ANTS!!!   :'(

(http://i703.photobucket.com/albums/ww40/BigCheeseStick/1.jpg)

Started with the bigger target and worked my way down of course.  As I'm about to move from middle to little target...  I SEE A CROW!!!   ;D  Guestimateing 50 yards, on a Palmetto tree limb, sitting nice and still...  I look around..  Why not?  I think it's legal.  ;)  Use a little KY windage, and DEAD CROW!!!  FIRST KILL!  No longer a virgin rifle!   Ahhhhhhhhh!  Hope it was as fun for the rifle as it was me!    :)

And like it was a trap or something!  I hear a truck coming down the road.  DNR!  Stopped and talked to him.  Told him about posting this on the net.  So, Hi DNR guy!  If your reading this.  Didn't tell you about the crow did I?   ;D  I checked.  It IS legal.  ;D

So back to the target.  Feeling pretty confident, I plinked at the bigger one again from about 50 yards while leaning against a pole.  You can see where it hit on the right side.  It was at a pretty good angle, so barely even chipped the paint.  Then, thinking about what Tom had said about the tape stressing the scope I put the gun back into the rest, shot the small target once.  DING!  Unwrapped the tape off the scope, turned the objective all around and back, then turned the magnification up and down, and took the second shot.  DING!  Wrapped the scope back up, played with the adjustments again, third shot.  DING!   ;D  NICE!   ;D
(http://i703.photobucket.com/albums/ww40/BigCheeseStick/5.jpg)

So how fast does it shoot?  Mind you I don't know how all the environmentals effect a pellet gun.  Sooooo...  You'll have to account for that.   :-\

I think the .22 "Crossman Premier hollow point" pellets (that I notice fit MUCH tighter in the barrel than do anything Gamo makes) weigh in at 15.43 gr..  The Crossmans are the only pellets I took with me this time.  And they DO fit tight!  Also, when I finally put the Chrony up, I'd already been shooting quite a bit, and the gas cylinder on the gun was warm to the touch...  Don't know how that effects anything either.   :-\

The average of the first string of 10 shots:
(http://i703.photobucket.com/albums/ww40/BigCheeseStick/4.jpg)

Second string of 10:
(http://i703.photobucket.com/albums/ww40/BigCheeseStick/2-1.jpg)

Third string of 10:
(http://i703.photobucket.com/albums/ww40/BigCheeseStick/3-1.jpg)


I think this thing may be my favorite new rifle for a little while!  :)  PERFECT combination between it and the 4-12X scope.  HAPPY!   ;D

Oh yeah, the tape does NOTHING to quite the gun further.  I HIGHLY recommend wrapping the barrel with it though.  If only because it makes for a better grip when cocking the gun.  And for this particular guns intended use, disguising it's form is a wise thing.  ;)

What deviation you see on the third target is I'M SURE me!  Not the rifle.  F'n ants were eating me for dinner!  >:(

Bottom line:  Toonces if F'ed!   ;D

Title: Re: Remington NPSS .22 Range Report... The sequel!
Post by: Badgersmilk on June 21, 2011, 10:01:56 PM
Correction:  The pellets I was using are apparently 14.3 gr.

http://www.pyramydair.com/s/p/Crosman_Premier_22_Cal_14_3_Grains_Hollowpoint_500ct/415 (http://www.pyramydair.com/s/p/Crosman_Premier_22_Cal_14_3_Grains_Hollowpoint_500ct/415)
Title: Re: Remington NPSS .22 Range Report - The sequel!
Post by: Big Frank on June 21, 2011, 10:53:25 PM
Nice shootin'. The shot to shot consistency of the velocity is impressive too.
Title: Re: Remington NPSS .22 Range Report - The sequel!
Post by: Badgersmilk on June 21, 2011, 11:36:20 PM
Thanks.

According to Pyramid Air this guns shooting 18.18 ft lbs of energy.  http://pyramydair.com/site/articles/formulas/ (http://pyramydair.com/site/articles/formulas/)

And on another forum they rate a "tuned" RWS 34 at 15.1 ft lbs..  Which makes me pretty happy because the 34 is IMO the industry standard.  AND the rifle I've always wanted, but heard they were loud.  

I got to play with a 34 at Bass Pro the other week and would say the Remington is easily on par for build quality.  Though about HALF the weight!  The 34's HEAVY!!!  The Gamo's they had there...  Well. I wouldn't compare them to an RWS.

Now they just need to offer this thing WITHOUT the chinese lemon scopes on them!  Crosman / Remington...  Meet Bushnell!!!
Title: Re: Remington NPSS .22 Range Report - The sequel!
Post by: Badgersmilk on June 22, 2011, 08:39:32 AM
Having never been one to "leave well enough alone"...   ;)

(http://i703.photobucket.com/albums/ww40/BigCheeseStick/P1020209.jpg)
Title: Re: Remington NPSS .22 Range Report - The sequel!
Post by: Solus on June 22, 2011, 08:52:13 AM
New project?
Title: Re: Remington NPSS .22 Range Report - The sequel!
Post by: Badgersmilk on June 22, 2011, 10:45:35 AM
 Yup.  It needed it IMO.  ;D

(http://i703.photobucket.com/albums/ww40/BigCheeseStick/P1020211.jpg)

Hand polished and lapped with 8,000 grit sand paper to a mirror finish.  :)  Probably NOT "ideal" if following a "hunter / sniper" theme.  But, it's a freakin pellet gun!   :D  

Also changed the profile of the face to perfectly flat (my personal pref. on any gun).  You can see from the remaining paint shadow near the pivot hole I was carefull not to remove material around the top so as not to create side to side slop in it's operation.

Still doing research and studying up before I alter the sear faces or anything.  I'm a mechanical engineer and certified machinist by trade, and have modified triggers on a few dozen guns over time.  So this isn't my first go around, but this kinda thing is always "experimental".  Looking for a crisp 1.5lb break.  

LOTS of people on the net talk about replacing the steel factory trigger blade with plastic!  Makes me wonder what goes through some peoples heads...  ::)   To each their own I guess.  I always thought the biggest problem with Glocks was the plastic trigger myself.  Just feels like...  Junk!  Just my opinion though.  :-\
Title: Re: Remington NPSS .22 Range Report - The sequel!
Post by: Badgersmilk on June 22, 2011, 11:31:25 AM
As I'm getting ready to proceed with pictures and fine details on how to do this...  It occured to me that if somebody else does this their liable to shoot themselves somehow, and SUE ME as as result.   >:(  So, here's how the parts go together inside.  Remington even shows this in their "Partslist".  So no liability there.  And your on your own to figure out the rest.  In fact, I recommend you NOT do this as it voids your warranty!  And don't shoot yourselves!  Don't do anything I tell you!  GEESH!   ;D

(http://i703.photobucket.com/albums/ww40/BigCheeseStick/th_P1020214.jpg)

All back together, cleaned, polished, greased (spring tweeked just a smidge).
(http://i703.photobucket.com/albums/ww40/BigCheeseStick/P1020216.jpg)

Without spending a cent.  I fired it once inside the house (out a window) and it IS louder than a book drop from 3" indoors!  Not loud.  But anyone in the room with you watching tv will notice.   ;)  It broke at 3lbs even.  The only way to get it lower is to change out the spring IMO.  The guy selling the plastic trigger blade is simply ripping people off.  The blade has nothing to do with smoothness, draw weight or much anything else in the performance of this mechanism.  But if you just send people a single little spring for $30...  Most are going to clue in REAL fast that they got took!  

The triggers now SUPER crisp.  Still creeps a little on the second stage, but thats exactly what the adjustment screw is for, and I haven't done anything with it yet.  (Remingtons instructions tell you to turn it the wrong way for adjustment).  The screw is to adjust length of draw.  Not the weight of pull like people on youtube try to say.

Three pounds may be just fine now that its clean and smooth.

(http://i703.photobucket.com/albums/ww40/BigCheeseStick/P1020219.jpg)
Title: Re: Remington NPSS .22 Range Report - The sequel!
Post by: Badgersmilk on June 23, 2011, 10:03:31 PM
Got a few shots in this evening.  Adjusted the screw on the trigger blade and it now breaks at a PERFECT 2.6 - 2.7 lbs each time.  NO creep on the second stage at all.   :)

BUT.  The important thing is...  The rifle just paid for itself!   ;D  Nothing more to say on that!   ;)   ;D














Still 2 or 3 prowling about though.   ;)
Title: Re: Remington NPSS .22 Range Report - The sequel!
Post by: fightingquaker13 on June 23, 2011, 10:08:36 PM
Congrats Badger! Sounds like a great toy, I am all kinds of jealous as my RWS is a bit too loud for my yard.. Glad the new scope worked.
FQ13
Title: Re: Remington NPSS .22 Range Report - The sequel!
Post by: Badgersmilk on June 23, 2011, 10:14:06 PM
 :)  Thanks! 

Make that a verified 27 yards though...  Shut up.  It's dark out there!   ;D
Title: Re: Remington NPSS .22 Range Report - The sequel!
Post by: Badgersmilk on July 01, 2011, 01:17:26 AM
(http://cdn.pyramydair.com/images/CR-LHP22.jpg)

Proven lethal at 52 yards...  And that makes 2.      ;)
Title: Re: Remington NPSS .22 Range Report - The sequel!
Post by: alfsauve on July 01, 2011, 10:21:14 AM
(http://cdn.pyramydair.com/images/CR-LHP22.jpg)

Proven lethal at 52 yards...  And that makes 2.      ;)

I'll have to test those in my HW77.   Busy with house stuff and ham radio stuff.   Still got to look for a replacement gas ram.

Congratulations on a successful "mission".
Title: Re: Remington NPSS .22 Range Report - The sequel!
Post by: Big Frank on August 01, 2011, 06:03:00 PM
I found a target you guys might (or might not) like.  :)
Title: Re: Remington NPSS .22 Range Report - The sequel!
Post by: alfsauve on August 01, 2011, 08:45:15 PM
This is my favorite.   I've been keeping score for over 5 years and this has been the most "productive" one.   Over 35......uh......disposed of this year so far.


(http://www.oocities.org/yosemite/geyser/1720/chipmunk.gif)
Title: Re: Remington NPSS .22 Range Report - The sequel!
Post by: Badgersmilk on August 02, 2011, 11:38:38 PM
I found a target you guys might (or might not) like.  :)

THAT'S FREAK'N AWESOME!!!  THANKS!  ;D ;D ;D

Already printed 10.  ;)

Haven't seen one of the crappy things for WEEKS, now my scope is broke and I shi# you not.  One was outside on the sidewalk tonight just laying there like the little minion knew all about it.   >:(
Title: Re: Remington NPSS .22 Range Report - The sequel!
Post by: tombogan03884 on August 03, 2011, 12:15:57 AM
THAT'S FREAK'N AWESOME!!!  THANKS!  ;D ;D ;D

Already printed 10.  ;)

Haven't seen one of the crappy things for WEEKS, now my scope is broke and I shi# you not.  One was outside on the sidewalk tonight just laying there like the little minion knew all about it.   >:(

Would probably give you the finger if their little paws bent that way.  ;D
Title: Re: Remington NPSS .22 Range Report - The sequel!
Post by: Badgersmilk on August 03, 2011, 10:07:57 AM
His day will come! 



And I'll be sighted in and ready.   ;)
(http://i703.photobucket.com/albums/ww40/BigCheeseStick/KittyKitty.jpg?t=1312383324)
Title: Re: Remington NPSS .22 Range Report - The sequel!
Post by: fightingquaker13 on August 03, 2011, 10:20:32 AM
Curse you Toonces! Tommorow will be another day! ;D
Keep flying snoopy ;)
FQ13
Title: Re: Remington NPSS .22 Range Report - The sequel!
Post by: Badgersmilk on August 03, 2011, 03:00:04 PM
What, nobody noticed / commented on the edit to the eyes?   ;D
Title: Re: Remington NPSS .22 Range Report - The sequel!
Post by: Big Frank on August 03, 2011, 06:44:49 PM
I thought something was different but wasn't sure what.  :)
Title: Re: Remington NPSS .22 Range Report - The sequel!
Post by: fightingquaker13 on August 03, 2011, 06:55:45 PM
What, nobody noticed / commented on the edit to the eyes?   ;D
I was too busy picturing you straddling a dog house wearing a leather helmet and goggles, shaking your fist and cursing Toonces. Its a lot more entertaining than looking at a target's eyes. ;D ;D ;D ;D
FQ13 who is still ROFL at the image.
Title: Re: Remington NPSS .22 Range Report - The sequel!
Post by: Badgersmilk on August 05, 2011, 07:12:00 AM
After mounting it up and trying it out on the rifle.  I couldn't help it, the Elite 3200 has a new home!  ;D

MUCH, MUCH more appropriate scope for a pellet gun now that I have a little more experience.  Adjustable magnification, and objectives do nothing on anything less than 200 yard shooting with any rifle imo (NO use on a pellet rifle).  Simply slows shot time, and adds a possible failure point to the total machine.  Most all the optics I own are 10X, so it's the sight picture I've become conditioned to expect (quick, easy acquisition).  With the Trophy scope I was forced to use "Kentucky windage" for elevation adjustments at range.  Target Turrets are the way to go on any pellet gun!

(http://i703.photobucket.com/albums/ww40/BigCheeseStick/P1020520.jpg?t=1312835380)

And oh yes!  These mounts are markedly better than the original 1 pc.!  Threads on all the bolts are the longest I've ever seen on any scope mount.  They have the glue type material inside the rings like the original to (NICE).  HIGHLY RECOMMEND!