The Down Range Forum
Member Section => Politics & RKBA => Topic started by: tombogan03884 on June 23, 2011, 11:20:39 AM
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The NH senate passed a bill that eliminates the need to attempt to retreat from NH's lethal force laws, another stipulation of the bill allows citizens to show a weapon if they have reason to believe that will prevent a crime.
( I may have worded that badly, it was in today's paper but not on the net yet)
The States Dem Gov may veto it but that doesn't matter since R's hold a super majority in both houses and an over ride is a foregone conclusion.
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The part about showing a weapon to prevent a crime seems to make a lot of sense. This could save lives - surprised the Dems would not be for it since it would possibly be saving the life of a criminal which is good for business - the Trial Lawyers would get more revenue from the criminal if they were alive and the Dems do very well statistically with the part of the nation that does not follow the law.
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The part about showing a weapon to prevent a crime seems to make a lot of sense. This could save lives - surprised the Dems would not be for it since it would possibly be saving the life of a criminal which is good for business - the Trial Lawyers would get more revenue from the criminal if they were alive and the Dems do very well statistically with the part of the nation that does not follow the law.
That part got put in because of a local guy who got 3-7 years last summer.
This woman, after being told "don't go up that road, it's posted"Private Property/ Keep Out" went up the road (long driveway) .
The home owner came out and told her to get off his property. She says he was waving a gun around< He and his wife claim when he was going back into the house he took it out to put on the table by the door.
He got convicted but because of the massive public support his sentence was commuted in January.
Oh, and where is the "lady" who was so victimized ?
Jail in NC for her 3rd offense of animal cruelty/negligence. ::)
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Thank you for that detail regarding the local incident in NH. Not to drfit, but it would be good to get feedback (especially from the Pro's) about showing or alerting someone that you are armed with the goal of maintaining your personal safety without the aftermath of shooting or facing charges of "brandishing a firearm." Are there guidlines or suggestions on how to do properly?
My opinion, is that gripping without removing would make someone very clear on where they stand with you but would not have you pointing a gun at them (assuming there is distance between you and them.)
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Thank you for that detail regarding the local incident in NH. Not to drfit, but it would be good to get feedback (especially from the Pro's) about showing or alerting someone that you are armed with the goal of maintaining your personal safety without the aftermath of shooting or facing charges of "brandishing a firearm." Are there guidlines or suggestions on how to do properly?
My opinion, is that gripping without removing would make someone very clear on where they stand with you but would not have you pointing a gun at them (assuming there is distance between you and them.)
My take as well.
A serious look and a firm grip on a holstered gun (that they can see you gripping) might keep one from having to let the air out of a troublesome sort.
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Problem with that is you get the azzhole that will give you grief with out advancing any more, "What are going to do, shoot me ? " .
That's when you want the bean bag in the 12 ga. ( appropriately labeled "For behavior modification ;D )
BANG, "yes, and if you don't leave I'm going to do it again.
On the other hand, it will keep you off the hook if you say something like "I have called 911 and I have a gun"
Either way, less regulation is more in keeping with the intent of the Founders.
(Ref: "What Would the Founders Do"- Our Questions Their Answers. Richard Brookhiser, 2006 by Basic Books $26.00)
I don't agree with all his conclusions but it is interesting reading.
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CA has never had the you must retreat BS.
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CA has never had the you must retreat BS.
They just make it a royal pain in the a$$ to get a legal gun.
( How much longer till your Dad can take possession of the gun you gave him ? )
As a note, this applies to "any where you have a right to be".
At work, on a public side walk etc, as well as in your home.
If you are trespassing you have to take your whooping though. ;D
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still better then IL, HI, NY and NJ.
CA just gets the most press.
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still better then IL, HI, NY and NJ.
CA just gets the most press.
Whoopie ! \
That's a great recommendation right there. ::)
Talk about "damning with faint praise" ::)
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it would be good to get feedback (especially from the Pro's) about showing or alerting someone that you are armed with the goal of maintaining your personal safety without the aftermath of shooting or facing charges of "brandishing a firearm." Are there guidlines or suggestions on how to do properly?
My opinion, is that gripping without removing would make someone very clear on where they stand with you but would not have you pointing a gun at them (assuming there is distance between you and them.)
Check your state laws. (The same conduct described below could land you in jail elsewhere.) Here in AZ:
13-421. Justification; defensive display of a firearm; definition
A. The defensive display of a firearm by a person against another is justified when and to the extent a reasonable person would believe that physical force is immediately necessary to protect himself against the use or attempted use of unlawful physical force or deadly physical force.
B. This section does not apply to a person who:
1. Intentionally provokes another person to use or attempt to use unlawful physical force.
2. Uses a firearm during the commission of a serious offense as defined in section 13-706 or violent crime as defined in section 13-901.03.
C. This section does not require the defensive display of a firearm before the use of physical force or the threat of physical force by a person who is otherwise justified in the use or threatened use of physical force.
D. For the purposes of this section, "defensive display of a firearm" includes:
1. Verbally informing another person that the person possesses or has available a firearm.
2. Exposing or displaying a firearm in a manner that a reasonable person would understand was meant to protect the person against another's use or attempted use of unlawful physical force or deadly physical force.
3. Placing the person's hand on a firearm while the firearm is contained in a pocket, purse or other means of containment or transport.
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Thank you for that detail regarding the local incident in NH. Not to drfit, but it would be good to get feedback (especially from the Pro's) about showing or alerting someone that you are armed with the goal of maintaining your personal safety without the aftermath of shooting or facing charges of "brandishing a firearm." Are there guidlines or suggestions on how to do properly?
My opinion, is that gripping without removing would make someone very clear on where they stand with you but would not have you pointing a gun at them (assuming there is distance between you and them.)
The vast majority of defensive fire arms incidents, (something like 1.5 -2.5 million per year ) result in no shots fired, so I would assume it is highly effective.
However, one must still maintain the mindset that if the situation is severe enough to produce the fire arm, you must be prepared to pull the trigger and face the consequences of your actions.
If you intend to DETER crime, put an "Alarm System" sign in your yard, drawing your weapon is still a last resort to STOPPING a crime.