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http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/07/01/minnesota-state-government-goes-into-shutdown/ (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/07/01/minnesota-state-government-goes-into-shutdown/)
St. Paul – Minnesota stumbled into its second government shutdown in six years on Thursday, with a partisan divide over taxes and spending to close a $5 billion deficit becoming only more bitter as a midnight deadline came and went without agreement.
Any hope of a last-minute budget deal between Democratic Gov. Mark Dayton and Republican legislative leaders evaporated around 10 p.m., when Dayton appeared to say he and Republicans were still fundamentally divided over how much the state should spend the next two years and that he saw no chance of avoiding a shutdown.
"It's significant that this shutdown will begin on the Fourth of July weekend," Dayton said. "On that date we celebrate our independence. It also reminds us there are causes and struggles worth fighting for."
Republicans appeared again minutes later, and tried to hang blame for the shutdown around the governor's neck. They said the two sides were closer than he admitted, and they criticized his refusal to call a special session so lawmakers could pass a "lights on" budget bill to keep government running. Dayton refused, saying he's been clear for months that he would only agree to a total budget approach.
"I think the governor's insistence that we pass a full budget is not going to be of much comfort to Minnesotans who are going to see delays on the highways because construction projects stop," said Senate Majority Leader Amy Koch, R-Buffalo. "It's not going to comfort people who can't use our state parks, or who can't get a driver's license."
The two sides didn't meet again ahead of the deadline.
The shutdown means thousands of layoffs, a standstill for road projects and padlocked state parks just ahead of the Fourth of July weekend. The effects were already being felt hours ahead of the deadline, as people rushed Thursday to get driver's and fishing licenses, and park officials began warning campers to pack their gear and leave.
Though nearly all states are having severe budget problems this year, Minnesota was alone in its futility, thanks to Dayton's determination to raise taxes on high-earners to close a $5 billion deficit and the Republican Legislature's insistance that the gap should be closed by cutting spending.
Negotiations between Dayton and legislative leaders were fitful Thursday, starting and stopping with no outward signs of progress. After talks broke down for the last time, Dayton and GOP leaders gave conflicting accounts of the last few rounds of offers.
Republican Sen. Michelle Benson said earlier in the day she wasn't budging, a position that Republican leaders held to even after it became clear the shutdown was coming.
"If we don't start taking a different approach to how we manage our government, we're going to swing from one bad economic circumstance to another," Benson said. "We can't just keep throwing more money at government and hoping that makes things better."
The showdown was something of a small-stage version of the drama taking shape in Washington between President Barack Obama and the Republicans over taxes and the nation's debt ceiling.
Though many states are having budget difficulties this year, those where political power is concentrated in a single party easily passed budgets.
Some of those with divided government had healthy reserves, including Alaska, Iowa and Montana; Minnesota's rainy-day accounts are drained.
Others such as Louisiana and Nevada used one-time money or federal dollars to patch things together. Nevada and Missouri renewed taxes.
In New Jersey, Republican Gov. Chris Christie used the line-item veto Thursday to pare a budget from the Democratic-controlled Legislature before signing it into law, preventing a shutdown.
Only four other states -- Michigan, New Jersey, Pennsylvania and Tennessee -- have had shutdowns in the past decade, some lasting mere hours.
Minnesota's last shutdown, in 2005, lasted just eight days and was far smaller than this stoppage because lawmakers had agreed on several pieces of the budget.
Minnesota's stoppage halted non-emergency road construction, shut the state zoo and Capitol, and stopped child-care assistance for the poor.
More than 40 state boards and agencies would go dark. Critical services, including the State Patrol, prisons, disaster response and federally funded health, welfare and food stamp programs, will continue.
State park officials told campers to strike their tents well before the deadline. They said it would be too difficult to herd campers out in the middle of the night if talks failed.
In Afton State Park, near St. Paul, Rick Miller of Elko-New Market pushed up a camping trip with his 7-year-old son, Jack, to beat the shutdown. Miller originally hoped they could spend Thursday and Friday nights in the park on the picturesque St. Croix River, but he booked a campsite for Wednesday night.
"With the shutdown we decided we better come and get it in," he said. "We don't know how long it will be before we can get back into a state park." He added: "It's too bad they can't just get the job done."
A small group of protesters paraded before reporters clustered outside Dayton's office on Thursday afternoon, chanting and waving signs to support the governor's position. "You say cut back, we say fight back!" they yelled. One woman carried a handmade sign that read: "GOV DAYTON DON'T BACK DOWN!"
Dayton is Minnesota's first Democratic governor in 20 years, and Republicans are running the entire Legislature for the first time in 38 years.
Dayton has proposed raising taxes on couples earning more than $300,000 and individuals making more than $180,000. Republicans have opposed any new taxes or new revenue sources, arguing instead that the state should rely on spending cuts, including deeper reductions in health and welfare spending than Dayton is willing to accept.
Some GOP moderates have talked of breaking the impasse with other means of raising revenue, such as eliminating tax breaks or authorizing a casino. Dayton has said he is open to such ideas.
Rank-and-file Republicans gathered at the Capitol on Thursday, more than a month after their regular session ended. Members of the large Republican freshman class, whose election victories in November helped the party take control of the Legislature for the first time in decades, held tight to their message that a total two-year state budget of $34 billion is big enough.
"I personally think the Republicans will probably be more damaged than the governor" by a shutdown, said freshman Rep. Mike LeMieur, R-Little Falls, who toppled an incumbent Democrat in November. "The fact is that we're all up for re-election again next year, and he's not up for three years."
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Since Minnesota has closed it's State Parks to tourists this holiday weekend, consider this an invitation to come to IOWA and spend your money. ;D
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Bite me big boy!
I am so sick of the Gov's plans to shut us down! When he vetoed the budget bill he decided to make it as painful as possible, and he is succeeding.
This idiot who's family amassed multi-millions, or should I say billions, by growing the Dayton and Target chains has decided the wise thing to do is shut down every revenue producing entity. DNR says they will lose over $1 million in the coming week alone from camper fees, no horse racing, no lottery, no hunting or fishing license sales, driver's and car license will be done but not issued, and already funded construction by private contractors will be shut down because he will not pay an inspector to drink coffee on the job site.
There are always two sides to every story, and somewhere in the middle is some sort of right or wrong, but Gov. Money Britches is an idiot >:( Rather than sit down with the Legislature six weeks ago to work things out he spent over a month putting the shutdown in place, and then last weekend he called leaders in for meetings over the weekend. The meetings continued until last night, and State employees are on vacation pay and severance package pay (don't you love the unions - you can't even shut something down with out paying more than if they were working) for the duration.
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Typical tax and spend dumbocrat, Dayton is. Uber-wealthy but willing to raise taxes on others and NOT cut spending.
Any chance of recall on this wanker, Mike?
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Democrats know that they can't pay for their promises, and just always assume they can make people pay more. The problem now is that we have reached the point where they have run out of other peoples money. They just won't accept it, because it would mean the loss of their power.
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The most true line in the whole article:
"We can't just keep throwing more money at government and hoping that makes things better."
Mirrors my thinking on the federal level too.
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But wait,....everything was going to get better,....
(http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r118/jazelecki/smalley.jpg)
Cause dog gonnit' people like me....Stewert Smalley,...aka Senator Al Franken D-MN (D is for dumbass),...
Damn sad...
The most true line in the whole article:
"We can't just keep throwing more money at government and hoping that makes things better."
Mirrors my thinking on the federal level too.
Been doing it for decades at all gov't levels... Look at Dept. of Education, as just ONE example,....
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Bite me big boy!
Methinks I struck a nerve. :-[
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The Gov is using the same strategy as Obama - tax the rich. The dems have deen running a TV ad during the run up to this.
"instead of passing a plan to tax the highest paid Minnesotans the Republicans want to pass out pink slips!"
The republican controlled legistlature passed a budget that would have been the largest in state history without raising taxes. But the Gov vetoed the budget. It wasn't big enough and didn't include a tax increase.
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Gee, take a look a TX. Ohio, WI, Indiana, Florida,....ITS CALLED A REAL RECOVERY!!!! EVEN New Jersey.
What's in common?
an "R".
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The state parks are gonna be closed with 4th of July coming... Eeeewwww, people (vacationers) are gonna be PI$$#D!!!! State park campgrounds are PACKED with TENS of THOUSANDS of people on holidays. People make reservations months in advance. Due to the loss of revenue, and amount of bad press they'll get. No way are they gonna stay closed through the 4th.
Serious politcal issues aside. They haven't got the hair on their nuts to buy into that kinda bad press. Sad that this will be what resolves the more important issues. :(
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I just don't understand the underlying fear people have about these state governments running out of money and shutting down? To me it's a Godsend. They try to use scare tactics that checks won't go out and the cops will stay home, along with all of the other crap. Let them. When it all falls on deaf ears perhaps then they'll get the picture. Until then let these worthless bureaucrats starve. If they're hungry they can do like the rest of America and go out and get real jobs.
It would just break my heart to see some ass hat earning a six figure government salary run out of money and lose his house. People need to realize the only way you will ever get government under control is by financial force. They will never "vote" for it. Starve them out of office and they'll get the picture. Bill T.
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This is nothing more than an attempt by one person representing a certain party to continue the runaway redistribution of wealth through the use of class warfare.
If you read the Star Tribune and the reader comments you will find a very strong belief that the "rich" and "wealthy" are not paying their fair share, and that it is only 2% of Minnesotans. Apparently it is ok to take from a group if they are only a small percentage of the population - What if that had been the thought about race in the last half of the 19th century and first half of the 20th century?
Maybe I pointed this out earlier, but here it is again: Rather than continuing to work on the problem the first week of July, Gov. Dayton decided to shut the lights off, send the legislators home, and then run a media campaign to get voters to go and whine and beg for our spending to increase another 10% and to raise taxes on many.