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Member Section => Politics & RKBA => Topic started by: DGF on July 08, 2011, 12:04:49 PM
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Six Months After Tucson Shooting, White House Readies Gun Control Stance
by Kelly Chernenkoff | July 07, 2011 | 0 Comments
Friday marks six months since the Tucson shooting which severely injured Arizona Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords and the White House is now hinting it's prepared to add its own voice to the gun control dialogue that tragedy reignited.
"As you know, the President directed the Attorney General to form working groups with key stakeholders to identify common-sense measures that would improve Americans' safety and security while fully respecting Second Amendment rights," White House Press Secretary Jay Carney said Thursday.
"That process is well underway at the Department of Justice with stakeholders on all sides working through these complex issues. And we expect to have some more specific announcements in the near future."
Carney didn't say how soon those announcements would come, nor what they might entail.
Immediately after the incident, which left six people dead and suspect Jared Lee Loughner in a federal prison hospital, eyes turned to the White House and whether the president might weigh in on the brewing Second Amendment debate.
The answer came in the form of an Arizona Daily Star Op-Ed penned by the president himself and printed on March 13.
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Whenever they say "common sense..." you know we're in trouble. And I believe you meant to say "BOHICA".
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Yes I did mean to say BOHICA. I have fixed it.
Common sense to them = No guns at all
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That process is well underway at the Department of Justice with stakeholders on all sides.......
Uh, I must have missed the invitation.
YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT MY RIGHTS. I'M ONE OF THE STAKEHOLDERS.
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I wil say this. I've never thought BO was a real threat to the 2A, just because unlike Hillary, he has never given a damn about the issue. If the Hildabeast were in charge, the AWB would have been job two after healthcare. Still, IF this administration is going to push gun control, now is the time (from our POV ;)). They are down in the polls and the election is getting closer. I see conservative state Dems running from that like rats from a sinking ship. Again, this makes me wonder how seriously to take this stuff. I'd worry about what BO might do in his 2nd term, but now? Is this the hill he wants to lose the Senate and maybe his election over? Maybe, but I doubt it.
FQ13
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This issue cost Gore his home state and, I believe, the election.
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The plan is to enact it through Executive Order, thus bypassing all the problems of getting it through Congress.
Why take the chance on Congress when you can do a slight of hand interpretation of the Constitution, and state it gives you the power to enact the restrictions using an Executive Order.
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Whenever they say "common sense..." you know we're in trouble. And I believe you meant to say "BOHICA".
Not always, most of the time yes, but there are several gun laws that are a very good thing. ( granted most of them are in the actual use of fire arms)
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There is no gun law that is a "good thing". The Constitution says "shall not be infringed". Any thing beyond that is precedent toward total confiscation.
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so you don't support laws like its illegal to shoot in the air?
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No I don't, do you want to let them ban bird hunting ?
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The Mythbusters tackled the shooting in the air problem. They found that the bullet returned to earth at the speed of a falling object, 32ft per sec per sec till terminal velocity. Enough to make you say ouch but not enough to seriously injure you.
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The Mythbusters tackled the shooting in the air problem. They found that the bullet returned to earth at the speed of a falling object, 32ft per sec per sec till terminal velocity. Enough to make you say ouch but not enough to seriously injure you.
That's only partly true.
If you fire straight up, the bullet rises until it loses momentum, then it begins to fall back to earth back end first at the terminal velocity based on object weight.
However, if you fire upward at any type of angle the bullet follows a nose first ballistic trajectory based on angle and velocity and can retain enough energy to cause injury at extreme ranges.
And that isn't from TV, that's from physics.
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There are many documented fatalities/injuries from guns shot into the air.
Don't confuse Mythbusters with actual science, it's more entrainment masquerading as science.
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http://www.grc.nasa.gov/WWW/k-12/airplane/termv.html
It is physics but it ain't that simple....
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http://www.grc.nasa.gov/WWW/k-12/airplane/termv.html
It is physics but it ain't that simple....
For our purposes it is.
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so you don't support laws like its illegal to shoot in the air?
NO!!! Define "shoot in the air" and how it is clearly defined.
I really should not have taken that bait, because shooting in the air is not a gun law. It is a law based on an action and applies equally to shooting an arrow in the air, using a slingshot, throwing a rock or even dropping something from above.
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NO!!! Define "shoot in the air" and how it is clearly defined.
I really should not have taken that bait, because shooting in the air is not a gun law. It is a law based on an action and applies equally to shooting an arrow in the air, using a slingshot, throwing a rock or even dropping something from above.
In Ca it is. Remember the post came from TAB. They passed the law while I was out there.
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how about shooting into the air as a form of celebration.( 4th of july, new years, what ever....)
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You can't legislate good sense or safe practices.
Didn't we just have the same discussion about motorcycle helmet laws ?
The Ca. law that prohibits the shooting into the air that makes the Oakland hills unsafe on New Years eve can very easily be interpreted by an activist judge to prohibit wing shooting of birds.
You live in Ca.with so many examples and you still can't get it through your head that "good intentions" make lousy law.
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Tom what I'm getting is, while laws will never stop anyone from doing anything. They are sadly apart of life that is needed( not all of them, but alot of them)
You ever hear the saying" there are alot of people alive, only becuase its illegal to kill them."?
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Like I said, Good intentions make for bad law.
Why do you feel the urge to follow bad ideas just because a lot of other people have ?
Are you a man ? Or a lemming ?
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I'm some that knows there are things you can change and things that never will...
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How about this BOHICA?
http://www.bohicaarms.com/
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how about shooting into the air as a form of celebration.( 4th of july, new years, what ever....)
Is that how the law is worded? How does that affect Tom Knapp when he throws the three chalk balls up in the air and they explode into red, white and blue as he shoots them UP IN THE AIR?
To outlaw "shooting into the air" is a bad law! However, it is the typical kneejerk reaction legislation we get when a legislator tries to make hay on a single incident.
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Not sure how to break this to you, TAB, but even without this poorly-conceived piece of legislative crap, people are legally responsible for any damage, injury, death, etc caused by a round they fire. Always have been.
So tell me again the point of this legislative stool sample?
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Seems that "common sense" needs to start with DoJ. On their high-horse, they want to preach to us about better "control measures'. I guess that doesn't include looking in the mirror and cleaning their own house. They broke THE LAW with Fast and Furious. Holder should be held accountable. Since it has been found out that FBI and DEA are up to their eyeballs in Gunrunner, it is clear Holder has no control or oversight of DoJ assets. Not to mention the Cspan video from the WH asst AG stating their involvemnent in Gunrunner. Their stamp on this program should mean they own it, turds in the punch bowl and all.
Cspan Vid: (video source thetruthaboutguns.com)
http://thetruthaboutguns.com/2011/07/brad-kozak/atf-death-watch-33-c-spans-smoking-gun/
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Seems that "common sense" needs to start with DoJ. On their high-horse, they want to preach to us about better "control measures'. I guess that doesn't include looking in the mirror and cleaning their own house. They broke THE LAW with Fast and Furious. Holder should be held accountable. Since it has been found out that FBI and DEA are up to their eyeballs in Gunrunner, it is clear Holder has no control or oversight of DoJ assets. Not to mention the Cspan video from the WH asst AG stating their involvemnent in Gunrunner. Their stamp on this program should mean they own it, turds in the punch bowl and all.
Cspan Vid: (video source thetruthaboutguns.com)
http://thetruthaboutguns.com/2011/07/brad-kozak/atf-death-watch-33-c-spans-smoking-gun/
I have to disagree somewhat, Considering that this operation was put in place at the same time we were being flooded with BS about "98% of traced Mexican crime guns coming from the US", and "The iron river flowing South" I think Holder has the ticket punching azz kissers, and agenda driven socialists under complete control. >:(
I also do not think any of those responsible will be punished. That will fall on Whistle Blowers and those who testified truthfully before Congress.
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I also do not think any of those responsible will be punished. That will fall on Whistle Blowers and those who testified truthfully before Congress.
Never let a good deed go unpunished...the wave of the future here today!
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I have to disagree somewhat, Considering that this operation was put in place at the same time we were being flooded with BS about "98% of traced Mexican crime guns coming from the US", and "The iron river flowing South" I think Holder has the ticket punching azz kissers, and agenda driven socialists under complete control. >:(
I also do not think any of those responsible will be punished. That will fall on Whistle Blowers and those who testified truthfully before Congress.
I should clarify what I was trying[to say. I meant it to read that he has no positive control or oversight of DoJ assets, meaning, he definitely is responsible for them, but failed in doing his job. Thanks for pointing it out. Sounds like I was trying to distance Holder on the face of it. DEFINITELY didnt mean it that way. :-[