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Member Section => Handguns => Topic started by: Badgersmilk on July 14, 2011, 08:18:24 PM
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Ugly just got uglier. :(
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Great guns. Just put a bag over its head. ;)
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For an 1 1/2" diff. for over $600?
Get a standard, abuse it, spank it, and call it Sally, for much less.....
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Bag is not a bad idea,.... ::)
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Lets see, extend the sight radius by making it big and ungainly (and maybe screwing up the action with the extra weight), or just getting better sights, practicing more, or putting on a laser? Which of these choices makes the least sense? ::)
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Long slide Glocks aren't exactly new arrivals.
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Long slide Glocks aren't exactly new arrivals.
No, but they (and long slide 1911s etc) just have always seemed kind of silly. What kind of accuracy boost does an extra inch or so buy you that you can't compensate for with a good set of sights and save the weight and bulk?
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No, but they (and long slide 1911s etc) just have always seemed kind of silly. What kind of accuracy boost does an extra inch or so buy you that you can't compensate for with a good set of sights and save the weight and bulk?
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Good sights can never make up for increased sight radius. The same reason most people don't shoot 2" snubs as well as 4" revos. (not crappy J frame sights - real K frame snubs like a M19)
Increase the sight radius AND have good sights and you're gold. ;)
You're caught in a carry Glocks vs range Glocks hole.
While long slides won't carry for $hit, they can sure shoot the hell outta paper which is the intended purpose.
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Good sights can never make up for increased sight radius. The same reason most people don't shoot 2" snubs as well as 4" revos. (not crappy J frame sights - real K frame snubs like a M19)
Increase the sight radius AND have good sights and you're gold. ;)
You're caught in a carry Glocks vs range Glocks hole.
While long slides won't carry for $hit, they can sure shoot the hell outta paper which is the intended purpose.
Lets make that 4" vs 6" and I think its a different story kmitch.
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A while back we were talking about a company, Lone wolf IIRC, offering a longer ( 7 in ? 71/2 in ? ) Barrel and slide with Eotech type optic for the 10MM G-20 . One of the reasons given was to make it a better hunting handgun.
The idea is no less practical than a long barreled , scoped revolver.
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The problem with the 17-L is it won't fit into the IDPA "box". So in that regard you're better off with the Glock 34. Cheaper too. The 34 sells like hotcakes, and is one of the most popular pistols in IDPA. The 17-L is a limited production gun because the demand is low except for bullseye shooters. They are becoming a vanishing breed. Everyone today wants to play Action Jackson with their guns. Bill T.
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The problem with the 17-L is it won't fit into the IDPA "box". So in that regard you're better off with the Glock 34. Cheaper too. The 34 sells like hotcakes, and is one of the most popular pistols in IDPA. The 17-L is a limited production gun because the demand is low except for bullseye shooters. They are becoming a vanishing breed. Everyone today wants to play Action Jackson with their guns. Bill T.
So what ? That is not it's purpose. As I posted before, it is aimed at marketed for hunters who couldn't care less about "the IDPA box".
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Who "hunts" with any Glock? (Yeah, there are videos on You Tube), but being practical who? Bill T.
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Now that there is a pistol design that doesn't date to the 1800's that is appropriate for hunting, you will probably see them turning up in place of the scoped revolvers that have been selling for the last 30 years or so. ::)
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A scoped S&W .500 or .44 Mag. sure. An 9 MM semi.....Why?
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http://www.magnumresearch.com/products.asp (http://www.magnumresearch.com/products.asp)
Top of their front page!
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New Glock revolver...
(http://i1232.photobucket.com/albums/ff372/StuartCowley/Guns/I41002.jpg)
MP
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A scoped S&W .500 or .44 Mag. sure. An 9 MM semi.....Why?
Never heard of 10mm ?
Kind of funny, since the first version was built for the G-20.
http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=40406
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Inside The Gun Locker: Carrying A Glock 10mm
by Robert H. Boatman
12/07/2010
Rumors of the death of the 10mm pistol cartridge and its replacement by the .40 S&W are premature. The talented Ten has simply moved out of town.
When you get out beyond the limits of the city, a .38 or 9mm in your holster seems awfully small. As the most likely theater for a potential armed confrontation opens up from city sidewalk, to high speed freeway, to lonely country road and wide open spaces, even the capabilities of a .40 or .45 may be stretched. When the threat of danger lurks, not in the aching veins of some desperate junkie or the evil eye of an adolescent asphalt-jungle predator, but in the paranoia of a gang of land-grabbing marijuana farmers or the stamping feet of a belligerent range bull – out where the bad guy is more likely to be armed with an AK-47 than a pipsqueak pocket rocket, might even weigh a thousand pounds and wear a set of horns suitable for impaling and tossing your big new truck – you cannot be overgunned. If you carry a revolver, this is .357, .41 and .44 Magnum country. If you carry a semi-automatic pistol, this is the land of the 10mm.
Rock and Roll icon, firearms enthusiast and big-game hunter, Ted Nugent, is known to carry a 10mm Glock as backup on his dangerous-game rifle hunts in Africa and has used the gun as his primary weapon to hunt North American and African plains game. Nugent has taken elk, caribou, bear, boar, ram, Oryx, warthog, eland and zebra with his 10mm, not to mention finishing off a wounded Cape buffalo.
Sounds like enough gun to me. ::)
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Look, I'm all for hunting with a handgun. And as much as I love Glocks, standing on them as a choice for taking game makes as much sense as the Casey Anthony jury. There are simply better guns up to the task. As I said You Tube will provide videos of such things. but if you look hard enough you'll most likely find Porcupines playing the banjo as well. Bill T.
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Yes, the semi auto isn't exactly a proven concept yet since it has only been around for 125 years or so, and of course, 6 rounds is far more practical than 15. Also, we all know how much more effective that .015 diameter difference makes the .44 magnum, plus there are the joys of carrying a much heavier pistol.
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Hey now... Don't go throwing 10mm in the same class as .44 Mag... .44 Mag. is the Holy Grail! 10mm while only slightly smaller in diamater (actually .030") is only traveling at 2/3rds the velocity a .44 will push a 200 grain XTP.
10mm is cute, and has it's... "Niche" market. But still not ready to play with the big boys. Why Glock isn't jumping all over making them?
Sorry Ted, 10mm is completely outclassed for any hunting (Cat Scratch Fever effecting his mind?), unless your a HUGE Miami Vice fan, or just have to be different for the sake of being different (Ted).
Self defense? If you really wanna carry a heavy brick like 16rnds of 10mm around get a Magnum Research cannon. Or a stubby revolver and a speed loader. But if your seriously that afraid... WTF are you doing without a 9 round, 20" shoty? Move to a better neighborhood for Gods sakes! ;D ;D ;D
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Just tryin to draw me out there. Weren't ya Tom! ;D ;D ;D
.44 Mag.s hallowed ground! .380, .22, .308, 7.62X39, 12ga., getting there. ;)
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I would hunt with a Glock 10mm. There is a maker that builds an upper for the Glock that shoots .50. I would hunt with that one also. ;)
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Just tryin to draw me out there. Weren't ya Tom! ;D ;D ;D
.44 Mag.s hallowed ground! .380, .22, .308, 7.62X39, 12ga., getting there. ;)
Knew I'd get someone, thought it might be Alf. ;D
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There is a reason to hunt with the calibers you use for self defense.
On appropriately sized game, it is the best "real world" demonstration of the terminal ballistics you can expect of your SD rounds. Granted the range will generally be far outside those encountered in a SD situation, but it will show the very minimum you can expect.
Using the same handgun you will be carrying will also tie the results to the actual weapon you will be deploying.
Your choice might not be the best combination for hunting, but it will be the best combination for evaluating your carry weapon.
Will you hunt with "ball" or one of the hot shot SD ammo available?