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Member Section => Handguns => Topic started by: HAWKFISH on March 19, 2008, 11:09:34 AM
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http://www.theprepared.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=90&Item
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There was a link to a video of this posted on another thread. Makes you think REAL hard about buying a Glock
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Hawk,
How much stock in glock do you own?
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Stock in Glock?
Haz.. You're a poet and didn't know it!
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Stock in Glock?
Haz.. You're a poet and didn't know it!
But my feet show it
Cause they're...
Longfellows!
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Stock in Glock?
Haz.. You're a poet and didn't know it!
Its not stock in Glock... its stock in Koolaid
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Yep, Glocks are tough critters. I like them for only that reason. All of us should have at least one. They are like the channel locks of hand guns. They are ugly and uncomfortable, but they will always work,
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Those are bad but I've heard verse. ;D
Thinkin' about 9mm model myself, problem is deciding which one. :-\
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Those are bad but I've heard verse. ;D
Thinkin' about 9mm model myself, problem is deciding which one. :-\
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Those are bad but I've heard verse. ;D
Thinkin' about 9mm model myself, problem is deciding which one. :-\
Think about the one that starts with a 4 ;D as in .40 or .45
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I admire the test and record of flat out abuse.
If I could afford it, I would try it with an M&P. But I think you set the bar very high with the potting soil and salt water and baby powder, oh and dropping it from an airplane,...
Maybe I'll just take my last purchase permit to the gun show this weekend and get a Glock.
Awesome post, would love to see a video.
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That wasn't a test. That was abuse.
If I recall, I think the M1911 stood up to similar abuse in Army testing. And, I think there was a TV program sometime ago that they similarly abused a SIG. I know they dropped the SIG from a Helicopter and drove over it with a 5T Army truck.
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I would like to see some nice chrome 1911's do that test. Just to see what would happen. I would never do that to any of my guns..because of cherish them too much. And most people never would with theirs either. Most any gun will do good and last if you take care of it.. But, being a Glock owner.. I do take pride in the findings of that and many other tests where Glocks are so tuff.
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Thats just one of countless examples out here...... They are definitely rugged guns.
There are a bunch of good torture test videos on YouTube. Here is one where they drop a SIG 226 out of a helicopter onto cement: http://youtube.com/watch?v=Kgjmtj9TgX8
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http://www.advancedtactical.com/sweeneyarticle.pdf
This was done with both 'el cheapo's, a really nice Kimber, AND a $2K Wilson Combat! ...and don't get me wrong, Glocks Rock, but ole' slab sides will hold it's own thank you very much!
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Didn't like the .40. The G21 was too big for my hand, even the newer model. The 17 and 19 (http://www.rightnation.us/forums/style_emoticons/default/high5.gif)
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Try the 36. It's narrower than my 1911 and about the size of an Officer's model. I put TruGlo TFOs on it and it fits in the front pants pocket almost as well as my J frame. I've got a 19 that I use for practice as 9mm white box is cheaper than 45. They are almost the same size and use the same holsters, etc. The 19 is just a little fatter in the butt.
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Think about the one that starts with a 4 ;D as in .40 or .45
Is still land of free. Besides, Glocks were designed around the 9mm's.
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Not even all Glocks can do that. ;)
Glocks have stumbled a bit here and there too.
USMC got poor reliability when they tested the G21 in the early 90s (about 230 MRBF IIRC).
Two of the six 40s the FBI tested in the late 90s broke under 20K rounds. Only had to make it to 10K to pass, so they were good enough to issue.
Only Glocks to pass all the tests in all models were the 9s when the DHS tested guns in 2004.
Indianna State Police had so many probs w their Glock 40s they dumped 'em for Glock 9s.
Local deputies broke 4 of 230 new Glock 40s in the first 250 rounds through 'em...
Buddy in the German Polizei says the Glocks are tough, but not as tough as their HKs (USPc, P2000, P30).
Still, seems Glock is Borg: resistance is futile. I can remember when NYPD, CPD, and the FBI thought they were inferior and/or too dangerous for use; now they all issue them.
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Still, seems Glock is Borg: resistance is futile. I can remember when NYPD, CPD, and the FBI thought they were inferior and/or too dangerous for use; now they all issue them.
lets not forget that for along glocks were by far the cheapest( that actually worked) thing a LE agency could get thier hands on. That played a large role in the selection of glocks as a issue weapon for alot of agencys.
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And let's not forget that Glock out sells every other handgun out there. So, any problems or failures that you hear about are "magnified." And having shot Glocks for years and thousands of trouble-free rounds, I have had no problems! And half of those were Glock .40's doing the shooting. My G23, .40 I broke in without cleaning. My buddy bet me that is couldn't shoot for a few hundred rounds without jamming. We went to the range and I shot it non-stop for over 700 rds without stoping or cleaning. I ran out of ammo and had to stop. So, mine easily made it past 250rds. without any problems what so ever and it was in the .40 cal. I would normally stop and clean it long before 700+ rounds but I did (and still do) trust Glock. Does price factory in to what law enforcement uses ..sure.. but I wasn't born yesterday and they could have many other guns out there..and why do so many still choose Glock? hmm.. And why do they continue to do so after 20+ years? .. hmmm..
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A Glock by any other name,,... Is STILL A Glock, shot my range partners again today, Model 27, although small for me, it won't fail! It shoots straight, as good as the shooter, every time.
I'm Glockinized, and will be getting one shortly,....
PS: I still love my M+P,... ;D
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And let's not forget that Glock out sells every other handgun out there. So, any problems or failures that you hear about are "magnified." And having shot Glocks for years and thousands of trouble-free rounds, I have had no problems! And half of those were Glock .40's doing the shooting. My G23, .40 I broke in without cleaning. My buddy bet me that is couldn't shoot for a few hundred rounds without jamming. We went to the range and I shot it non-stop for over 700 rds without stoping or cleaning. I ran out of ammo and had to stop. So, mine easily made it past 250rds. without any problems what so ever and it was in the .40 cal. I would normally stop and clean it long before 700+ rounds but I did (and still do) trust Glock. Does price factory in to what law enforcement uses ..sure.. but I wasn't born yesterday and they could have many other guns out there..and why do so many still choose Glock? hmm.. And why do they continue to do so after 20+ years? .. hmmm..
Are you sure your address isn't in Smyrna Georgia? ;)
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And let's not forget that Glock out sells every other handgun out there. So, any problems or failures that you hear about are "magnified." And having shot Glocks for years and thousands of trouble-free rounds, I have had no problems! And half of those were Glock .40's doing the shooting. My G23, .40 I broke in without cleaning. My buddy bet me that is couldn't shoot for a few hundred rounds without jamming. We went to the range and I shot it non-stop for over 700 rds without stoping or cleaning. I ran out of ammo and had to stop. So, mine easily made it past 250rds. without any problems what so ever and it was in the .40 cal. I would normally stop and clean it long before 700+ rounds but I did (and still do) trust Glock. Does price factory in to what law enforcement uses ..sure.. but I wasn't born yesterday and they could have many other guns out there..and why do so many still choose Glock? hmm.. And why do they continue to do so after 20+ years? .. hmmm..
I've got a 80s series colt I've put over 20k rounds thru, the only thing I have replaced is the recoil spring...( about every 5k rounds... just be safe)
Still got the mag that came with it, as well as 4 other colt mags I bought when I bought it... only malfunction I ever had was my fualt... I didn't seat the mag all the way. I've seen glocks last forever, I've also seen them not make it thru the 1st mag.
You know its find of funny... now that there are simlar guns in the market place, there is not a single LE agency near me that issues glocks to thier new hires.
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I won't get a .40 caliber Glock - not because of KaBooms, not because I hate the Glock, but I have a minor grudge against the .40 S&W.
9mm Parabellum, 10mm Auto, .357 SIG, .45 ACP, even the friggin' .45 GAP (oh, to try out a .380 Model 25).
In the past, I told myself it was because the .40 usurped cartridges like the .41 Action Express and the 10mm Auto, but the .357 SIG steps on the .38 Super's toes, and the same applies to the .45 GAP for the .45 ACP.
I think the reasoning is because it stepped on both the 9mm AND the .45 ACP. The compromise round between the two offends my "if I can't pack a 9mm, I want a .45" sensibilities.
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You know its find of funny... now that there are simlar guns in the market place, there is not a single LE agency near me that issues glocks to thier new hires.
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Yeah, it is funny because almost everyone around me does. As a matter of fact, a few more just added Glock as their issued weapons. And Glock is still the biggest law enforcement handgun seller in the U.S. Many of the federal, state, and local agencies all over this country have them. I guess none of them know any better though. I guess they only buy them because they are cheap.. and if cheap is what they are looking for .. maybe they'll all swithch to kel-tecs, hipoints, or derringers to replace those nasty ole glocks. Not that they are bad guns..but they are cheaper and I'm sure that's all they care about when their life is on the line... the price of the gun..
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you really have drank way to much of the glock koolaid.
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you really have drank way to much of the glock koolaid.
With the exchange of information available today and the fact that many "service pistols" were designed with an eye on MILITARY procurement requirements, which must be for more stringent than the needs of a local police force, There really is no difference between the pistols being chosen except contract details. Departments in the NH Seacoast area primarily carry Sig's as the plant is located there, they can get discounts, same day service, and convenient training at the Sig Academy.
Since all name brand service pistols will stand up to more abuse than the average officer will put his weapon through Departments that are not located close to a specific manufacturer have little to base their choice on except price and service. While a small prosperous town may be able to outfit it's dozen or so officers with Wilson Custom 1911's this is not a practical choice for a city like Boston or NY which would be buying thousands of weapons on one contract.
Being first with the Polymer technology gives Glock 2 advantages over the competition, a longer track record of dependability and they have , by now, covered their R&D costs, and therefore can give a better deal to communities looking for new service weapons. Glocks seem pretty tough, the one I shot was nice if you don't mind DA trigger pull, but what makes for a perfectly acceptable duty gun may not be what an INDIVIDUAL is looking for in a concealed carry, or home defense pistol. Therefore the final and most important criteria, as in ALL personal firearms choices is personal preference and comfort.
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Glock still dominates the marketplace, but I see trends they may need to adress sooner or later (based on contract requirements I've seen, actual and proposed):
Adjustable grip
Ambi controls (mag/slide release)
Manual/mag safety option
Ability to field strip w/o pulling the trigger
I can think of almost a half million pistols they did not sell to several places in the last few yrs due to the above, and about a half million more coming to another (when they finally go shopping again). ;)
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you really have drank way to much of the glock koolaid.
Mmmmmmm.... Glock Koolaid!
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Mmmmmmm.... Glock Koolaid!
Don't give Cerberus any ideas ;D
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you really have drank way to much of the glock koolaid.
It tastes good, is a great mixer with other beverages, and it never lets me down.
While not a religious adherent, I see the Glock's benefits. The same goes for the 1911 platform, the 1911 being another Cult favorite to the point of becoming almost a mainstream religion.
As opposed to HK's, which are cults manned by mall ninjas.
Shame too, the HK USP45, the P2000 and the P7's I tried out were WONDERFUL. Shame they're relegated to the mallninja fringe.
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This is a great tribute to Glock. Ive seen the same for several other pistols. Bottom line is who the hell is gonna put their gun through this? I use mobile 1 but I'm not gonna put my car on blocks and peg the tac to see if it blows. This type of demonstration is pure hype.
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Hype, but fun hype.
If you can't survive it, does it really matter if your gun can? So you fall out of the chopper, hit the pavement, and get run over by a tank. Don't worry, your Glock still works. ;)
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Hype, but fun hype.
If you can't survive it, does it really matter if your gun can? So you fall out of the chopper, hit the pavement, and get run over by a tank. Don't worry, your Glock still works. ;)
"I've fallen, and I can't find my spleen."
I'd kind of assume too, that the asphyxiation caused by being buried in a deluge of soil, mud and sand (or corn meal even) would preclude being able to pull the trigger, let alone aim and fire.
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I saw a thread on a forum a few years ago that a guy plowed his GLOCK into his field with a tractor. It fell out of his holster and he didnt realize it. Ran over it with the tractor and found it some months later and it still worked.
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I love my guns too much to do that to them, but good testimony on engineering.