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Member Section => Down Range Cafe => Topic started by: rojawe on July 22, 2011, 07:50:28 AM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xhSj5X3sL_g&feature=player_embedded
After the commercial just wondering
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yeah....they are building the case for the American KGB.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/07/21/napolitano-domestic-terrorists-central-to-threat/
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yeah....they are building the case for the American KGB.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/07/21/napolitano-domestic-terrorists-central-to-threat/
I actually agree with many of the statements made in the article. Face facts, the Ft Hood shooter, The London, Bali, and Madrid bombers, all of these examples were natives or residents of the countries in which they acted.
The question becomes, how will the Govt. react. Based on past performance they will take half assed measures that will be more hindrance to law abiding citizens than to the terrorists they are , allegedly, meant to stop.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xhSj5X3sL_g&feature=player_embedded
After the commercial just wondering
20,000 troops isn't crap. that is equivalent to about 1/2 the understaffed Police force of just NYC.
On the other hand it sets a precedent open to abuse, like the NFA.
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I actually agree with many of the statements made in the article. Face facts, the Ft Hood shooter, The London, Bali, and Madrid bombers, all of these examples were natives or residents of the countries in which they acted.
The question becomes, how will the Govt. react. Based on past performance they will take half assed measures that will be more hindrance to law abiding citizens than to the terrorists they are , allegedly, meant to stop.
20,000 troops isn't crap. that is equivalent to about 1/2 the understaffed Police force of just NYC.
On the other hand it sets a precedent open to abuse, like the NFA.
I agree with them also...and with your take on how it will be implemented.
"Never let a good crisis go to waste"
And 20,000 troops is about the size of an Army Division. Not a bad start.
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I was in a classroom with 14 other people when 9/11 happened, and we watched the whole thing on a projection tv (90" screen). Everyone agreed "That plane doesn't have any windows. It's not commercial." We watched it again and again and still everyone agreed. "That's NOT a commercial plane like their saying!". Then came the video of the cruise missile hitting the pentagon. That changed to video of a plane later!
9/11 - A product of OUR government, and an example of how far they will go for the excuse to police you like the inmate you now are.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tta1qhQZWSE&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tta1qhQZWSE&feature=related)
http://www.barackobama.com/obama-for-america-2012-campaign?source=OM2012_LB_G_lb-Obama2012-content-banner_obama-name_v1-1a_300&gclid=CKiRgIKGlaoCFUff4Aod_k5zwQ (http://www.barackobama.com/obama-for-america-2012-campaign?source=OM2012_LB_G_lb-Obama2012-content-banner_obama-name_v1-1a_300&gclid=CKiRgIKGlaoCFUff4Aod_k5zwQ)
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I was in a classroom with 14 other people when 9/11 happened, and we watched the whole thing on a projection tv (90" screen). Everyone agreed "That plane doesn't have any windows. It's not commercial." We watched it again and again and still everyone agreed. "That's NOT a commercial plane like their saying!". Then came the video of the cruise missile hitting the pentagon. That changed to video of a plane later!
9/11 - A product of OUR government, and an example of how far they will go for the excuse to police you like the inmate you now are.
Problem I have with that, BM, is that if the government produced 9/11 they would have had the proper videos ready from the get go.
I can't believe they decided to do it over coffee that morning and put out incriminating videos until they could get the doctored ones ready. Or are you saying they managed to get every "non official" video taken of the events and doctored them all?
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Why else lie about it though? We all knew what we saw that day.
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Why else lie about it though? We all knew what we saw that day.
Couple of points.
So you are saying that the government crashed some type of aircraft or missile into the trade centers and pentagon and then shot down or destroyed the commercial planes said to be involved? And for good measure, they falsified all the phone conversations between the plane that went down in PA and crashed it just for good cover?
If you want to build a case where the government worked with and facilitated the terrorists, other than by incompetence, to fly the commercial jets that were lost into the buildings, you might have a reasonable scenario.
I've not seen any video of a cruise missile hitting the Pentagon, but, somehow, I think that video would be easier to fake than the disappearance of the passenger planes involved.
And you stated you watched the video on a very large screen TV.
Those videos were not top quality videos and were taken with what ever camera was available. Resolution was not DVD quality.
A low resolution image projected on a very large screen will lose much detail with the visual cues being too dispersed to trigger recognition. What might appear as windows on a smaller screen might appear as discolorations of the fuselage on a large screen projection of the same image.
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I, and everyone else there agreed on two things.
1. We saw a plane with no windows fly into the building.
2. We saw the same video miraculously change from showing what "looked like" a cruise missile, into what was obviously a plane with huge wings going into the pentagon.
I've been a "Northwest Gold" member for over 8 years. NEVER seen a commercial plane yet that didn't have windows... :-\
Again, if our government wasn't involved. Why lie? All I'm saying.
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I'm not saying you didn't see what you think you saw, but I still think this whole "Govt conspiracy" thing is a load of crap.
If for no other reason than the sheer complexity of the operation.
Even as a terrorist plot only 19 of 20 participants managed to make their appointed connections, that's a 5% failure rate. Out of 4 planes, only 3 managed to engage their targets, that's a 25% failure rate. That assumes a terrorist operation, these people are not stupid, attention grabbing, mass casualty attacks are what they do, what they train for. And the idea of using manned aircraft as missiles dates back to at least the 1940's.
Things like using a cruise missile, then faking video of an air craft adds levels of complexity that guarantee failure, and take the operation out of the realm of believability.
My own belief is that you have watched a couple to many episodes of "X Files", or "Mission Impossible".
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Simply for the sake of the fact that this thread is about all it takes to be put on a terror list of some kind anymore. And arguing about it is like fighting over a bag full of pi$$... My official statement is "Yeah, everyone else there must have been on crack. It was pink elephants that flew into the building. Whatever my government tells me!" :)
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You should consider that you are parroting the line of the ultra left here BM. You are in agreement with the likes of Rosie O'Donut.
Think about what that means.,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,OK, times up, ;D
Isn't the blatantly provable conspiracy carried out by the ComIntern, and continued by George Soros, to undermine Western civilization enough, with out taking on something like this ?
One of your own statements shoots holes in your theory, you say the original video showed a Cruise missile hitting the Pentagon and later was edited to show a plane. Even live news video is on a 7 sec delay, don't you think the conspirators would have had top of the line video editing ?
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BM. I too saw the planes hit on TV. They were airliners for sure. I watched on CNN or FOX that played continuously on multiple TV where I worked.
If the initial hits were by missiles, what happened to the commercial airliners that disappeared?
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Hard to fake the multiple footage of the planes hitting the towers, also a little tough to fake cell phone calls home from passengers on Flight 93. The 911 operators talked to some passengers on Flight 93 also...
Moreover, really tough to fake Alu Akbar from cockpit flight data recorders. Tougher to fake Muhammed Atta and his cronies getting on the plane(s), or the receipts from their flight training months earlier.
Unless the "vast Right-Wing" Bush/Cheney conspiracy theorists got all that covered also.
Oh, don't forget, the buildings were "pre-wired" for implosion...
Plllllllleeeeaaaasssseeee!!!!!!
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I watched the 2nd plane on live TV feed...some fake.
All the people who died in the planes have people who have a history in their communities and families that miss them.
That includes the airplane that hit the Pentagon.
What is it that causes people to check their brain and fall for outlandish conspiracy crap? THERE IS NO WAY UNDER HEAVEN THAT MANY PEOPLE CAN DISAPPEAR AND KEEP A SECRET. Much less the planners and various other assorted henchmen necessary to have pulled off such a deed and the families involved. Oh yeah right, I hear it going off in somebody's brain that the families are staged along with the neighbors , you just increased by a factor of 10+ the number of people necessary to have pulled this off and who now need to keep the secret.
Did you know that the earth is flat, the Mason's run the world and that Clinton really did not have sex with that girl?
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Hell, the government can't even smuggle a few thousand guns to Mexico without it blowing up in their face. ::)
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Hell, the government can't even smuggle a few thousand guns to Mexico without it blowing up in their face. ::)
"WINNER"!!!!!!
Am I the only one that didn't get a gun from the ATF? :-\
"stolen from another gun blog".... ;)
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Hell, the government can't even smuggle a few thousand guns to Mexico without it blowing up in their face. ::)
Classic !
"WINNER"!!!!!!
Am I the only one that didn't get a gun from the ATF? :-\
"stolen from another gun blog".... ;)
No, I didn't get mine either, b*stards.
Really had my heart set on a fully automatic, High capacity RPG too. ;D
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No, I didn't get mine either, b*stards.
Really had my heart set on a fully automatic, High capacity RPG too. ;D
Duhh. You gotta go to the Wal Mart in Freer, Texas or Laredo to get that stuff. Didn't you hear??? ;D
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Darn, and I was waiting for the Gun show. ;D
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Duhh. You gotta go to the Wal Mart in Freer, Texas or Laredo to get that stuff. Didn't you hear??? ;D
Do they handle mail order?
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Do they handle mail order?
Yeah, but you've got to go through your local BATF office for pick up and your cash back. 8)
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Yeah, but you've got to go through your local BATF office for pick up and your cash back. 8)
Cash back at the time of pick up? That is super. I hate mail in rebates. ;D