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Member Section => Down Range Cafe => Topic started by: billt on August 04, 2011, 04:13:12 AM
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Now it appears cell phones are a "Civil Right" in Pennsylvania. The stupidity of the poor, "I need it, and want it, so give it to me" crowd never ceases to amaze me. Bill T.
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Now it appears cell phones are a "Civil Right" in Pennsylvania. The stupidity of the poor, "I need it, and want it, so give it to me" crowd never ceases to amaze me. Bill T.
Ya know Billt,I'm with you on this,I dont post much but I'm here several times a day.This sense of entitlement is a real pet peeve of mine,I see it everyday.I want it,you must give it to me for free!.I'f I had my way these lazy oxygen stealing buttwipes would be told to go out and get a job or go p**s up a rope.I worked for nearly 40 years untill I had to retire because of health issues and I'm sure you worked all of your life and paid your own way.There's no reason they can't do the same.I make exceptions for the aged,ill and single parents,but the rest of them "GET YOUR A** TO WORK!!!"
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All of this blessing of entitlement comes from not heeding the biblical principle that if a slackard won't work you shouldn't feed him. Help the sick, the old, the widow....but not a lazy person.
The Great Society...thanks LBJ for accelerating this crap on us.
Where is LBJ buried? I feel the need to urinate.
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Where is LBJ buried? I feel the need to urinate.
While LBJ did get the ball rolling on this crap, the current cockroach that occupies the White House is doing his best to keep it going, and bankrupt this country at the same time. You can blame one guy for a bad idea for just so long. When other idiots skin their knuckles trying to keep it going, you have to wonder what wavelength these fools are tuned into? Bill T.
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Social security is not an entitlement, it's your own money that the Dems diverted out of a trust fund to finance bribing low income voters.
That being said, the only ones who should qualify for "entitlements" are the unemployed who are actively seeking work.
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Social security is not an entitlement, it's your own money that the Dems diverted out of a trust fund to finance bribing low income voters.
That being said, the only ones who should qualify for "entitlements" are the unemployed who are actively seeking work.
My opinion would be unions are primarily responsible for jobs in this country going overseas. Know how much a 18 year old kid / UAW broom pusher gets paid to start? $16.50 an hour with full benefits at 90 days. And that's AFTER all the reductions they were "forced to endure". So should the government be picking up the tab for unemployment? If UAW paid 70% of the national total each month I think that'd be about right.
UAW has a contract with GM that they've been fighting over for decades which states "as long as GM exists, certain plants WILL be open, and producing product under UAW rule." The Lake Orion, MI plant is an example. The $ amount I quoted above is in their local papers.
"Will this Entitlement Mentality Ever Stop?" NEVER. Until the unions are gone anyway. They had their day when they were needed. And it's LOOOOONNG past! >:(
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In answer to the original question, no the entitlement mentality will never stop. Our society (via our government) has become enablers ready and willing to prop up those who are too lazy to make their own way in the world.
Help those who, through no fault of their own, are unable to help themselves. Help those who are doing their best, but through no fault of their own are coming up short. F**k the rest.
1) You want to poop out a kid? Fine, just don't expect me to pay for it. Get the sperm donor to step up and face his responsibilities. He is, after all, the one who got the fun out of the deal.
2) You want to abort an unwanted pregnancy? While I find that personally and morally repugnant, it's really none of my business. That's something (imho) that is between you and your Creator. Get your abortion, but don't expect me to pay for it. For more information, see point #1.
Maybe I'm heartless and cruel, but after working and paying into the system for 40 years, then being denied access to my own money in the form of Social Security Disability benefits after my health went to hell, I can't muster a whole lot of sympathy for you if you sit on your ass waiting for somebody else to pay your way in the world. f..k you, get off your lazy ass and get a f....k job, or starve.
Hopefully that is a fairly understandable synopsis of my position on this issue.
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I can't believe how much better I feel now!! ;D
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My opinion would be unions are primarily responsible for jobs in this country going overseas. Know how much a 18 year old kid / UAW broom pusher gets paid to start? $16.50 an hour with full benefits at 90 days. And that's AFTER all the reductions they were "forced to endure". So should the government be picking up the tab for unemployment? If UAW paid 70% of the national total each month I think that'd be about right.
UAW has a contract with GM that they've been fighting over for decades which states "as long as GM exists, certain plants WILL be open, and producing product under UAW rule." The Lake Orion, MI plant is an example. The $ amount I quoted above is in their local papers.
"Will this Entitlement Mentality Ever Stop?" NEVER. Until the unions are gone anyway. They had their day when they were needed. And it's LOOOOONNG past! >:(
Putting the burden on private sector Unions isn't the answer. Only about 10% of the work force belongs to them.
If you wanted to really clean up, put the burden on PUBLIC SECTOR Unions, like SEIU, They are at 35% and rising.
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We don't have "poor" people. We have lazy bungholes stealing everything up to and including our air. Truly poor people aren't FAT!!
America has the fattest "poor" people on the planet. How can you consume 3000+ calories a day if you have no money?
And now they need a cellphone? For what? Just anxiously waiting for that Personnel guy to call and say "you're hired"? Sure...
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Actually Mitch, "Fat" has a more to do with WHAT you eat rather than how much you eat.
For example, most older poor Italians are fat, it's from eating so much Pasta.
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How can you consume 3000+ calories a day if you have no money?
(http://i812.photobucket.com/albums/zz50/billt460/FatBlack.jpg)
How Do You Spell Relief? F-O-O-D S-T-A-M-P-S ! Bill T.
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We don't have "poor" people. We have lazy bungholes stealing everything up to and including our air. Truly poor people aren't FAT!!
America has the fattest "poor" people on the planet. How can you consume 3000+ calories a day if you have no money?
Sadly it is very easy to be poor and fat. Much of the junk food is cheaper (and easier) than the healthy alternative. Just open a wrapper and shove it in your mouth. Calorie count and fat is through the roof - that's why it tastes so good. Many of the inner city area residents have to rely on fast food and convenience stores as no markets can survive in the high crime areas.
Being fat is very simple mathematics. People that are trying to sell something make it more difficult. "Healthy" is a whole different subject.
Fat = Calories in > calories used.
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Fat has a lot more to do with what you DO rather than with what you EAT. Bill T.
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Again, just eliminate welfare. Forcing folks to support others is wrong no matter how deserving the recipient might be. Let the local charities handle the hard luck cases or otherwise deserving. They are right there in the neighborhood and know who is truly in need.
Folks who wish to help others, and I do believe that will be the majority, will support the charities that they think are doing a good job of not wasting the donations.....and they will do it with much less overhead...I usually say the government wastes 50 cents of each dollar collected for welfare and am usually told I underestimate it.
In a generation or two, the folks who have had there incentive and desire to work stolen from them by the welfare program will either have starved or were able to adjust their outlook and provide for themselves.
And yes, Social Security is not an entitlement, no matter what the politicians are saying today. Everyone working under SS contributed a good percentage of their pay to the program and their employer matched that contribution....so the employers part would have been paid to you, maybe put in a mandatory personal retirement account but it would belong to the worker. And anything left after death...and that would likely be the case with compound interest for 65+ years....would go to their estate.
Unemployment compensation also is funded by the employers and it too should be counted as a person's pay...the employer always includes it in the benefit cost of an employee....and that fund should be invested so that there is enough to cover long term unemployment when politicians screw everything up.....as usual.
What isn't an entitlement is the salary of Congress and the Office of the President and staff. By any reasonable argument, they are paid to do a job and that is to keep the country running efficiently..... and if you cannot do that job with a balanced budget, you are doing it poorly and your pay is withheld.
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It all has to be eliminated. From SoSo security on down. It's the so called "gateway drug". Once you rationalize "aid" from the government, it CAN'T be curtailed at all.
The best way to do this would be a buy out. Just give people what they put in to the system, in a lump sum payment, and say adios. Most Americans would be surprised at how small that payment would be, even after 50 years of paying in.
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Again, just eliminate welfare. Forcing folks to support others is wrong no matter how deserving the recipient might be. Let the local charities handle the hard luck cases or otherwise deserving. They are right there in the neighborhood and know who is truly in need.
Folks who wish to help others, and I do believe that will be the majority, will support the charities that they think are doing a good job of not wasting the donations.....and they will do it with much less overhead...I usually say the government wastes 50 cents of each dollar collected for welfare and am usually told I underestimate it.
In a generation or two, the folks who have had there incentive and desire to work stolen from them by the welfare program will either have starved or were able to adjust their outlook and provide for themselves.
And yes, Social Security is not an entitlement, no matter what the politicians are saying today. Everyone working under SS contributed a good percentage of their pay to the program and their employer matched that contribution....so the employers part would have been paid to you, maybe put in a mandatory personal retirement account but it would belong to the worker. And anything left after death...and that would likely be the case with compound interest for 65+ years....would go to their estate.
Unemployment compensation also is funded by the employers and it too should be counted as a person's pay...the employer always includes it in the benefit cost of an employee....and that fund should be invested so that there is enough to cover long term unemployment when politicians screw everything up.....as usual.
What isn't an entitlement is the salary of Congress and the Office of the President and staff. By any reasonable argument, they are paid to do a job and that is to keep the country running efficiently..... and if you cannot do that job with a balanced budget, you are doing it poorly and your pay is withheld.
We have a winner!!
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CJ, Social Security is not "Aid from the gov." It's your own money. It was originally put in a trust fund for only that purpose, the only Gov involvement was in administering it, because they had Nation wide offices, that way the rules would be the same no matter what state you lived in.
It was stolen, and placed in the "General fund" by the Dems in order to bribe poor people to vote dem.
They same way they wanted to seize 401k funds a couple years ago.
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CJ, Social Security is not "Aid from the gov." It's your own money. It was originally put in a trust fund for only that purpose, the only Gov involvement was in administering it, because they had Nation wide offices, that way the rules would be the same no matter what state you lived in.
It was stolen, and placed in the "General fund" by the Dems in order to bribe poor people to vote dem.
They same way they wanted to seize 401k funds a couple years ago.
IT"S ALL OUR MONEY, EINSTEIN!!!!!!!
It doesn't matter what it's for. It doesn't matter how it was aquired. THE U.S. GOVERNMENT IS BROKE. It doesn't matter how much they take out on payday. There is NO MONEY FOR THE GUBMINT TO SPEND. What's yours doesn't exist anymore.
That's why the debt ceiling was raised. The sooner the crash comes, the sooner we can recover. The quicker you understand that the dream of "retirement" is just that, A DREAM, the quicker the problem can be faced and delt with.
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That's why the debt ceiling was raised. The sooner the crash comes, the sooner we can recover. The quicker you understand that the dream of "retirement" is just that, A DREAM, the quicker the problem can be faced and delt with.
The sooner the better. I only have a few more years of work left in me. I'd hate for it to hit a decade from now. Plan A in a crash is to move back home to Louisiana and farm. I've kept the tractor up, the farm implements, the artesian wells and the land has had a couple of decades to recover from earlier farming.
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You aren't getting it CJ, Taxes are "Govt revenue" money collected for use as the Govt sees fit.
SS on the other hand was a Govt administered investment account, it was YOUR money, collected and invested for YOUR use. The Govt had no say in how it was spent.
Until the dems stole it.
It is the same as if your bank decided that since you had so much in your savings account they would take it to bribe the SEC.
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The tittle of this thread apllies to you. :'(
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The tittle of this thread apllies to you. :'(
Because I want to be able to keep the money I put in a savings account ?
That's idiotic.
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Tom and CJ....I think you guys are arguing pretty much the same argument.
Yes, SS was originally intended to supplement retirement money for the elderly until Johnson and the Congress at the time changed the rules on how it could be borrowed from. It essentially became a slush fund for Congress and writing an IOU was all that was required.
Nowadays, it is definitely like a tax that will most likely not be there for some of the folks that get into the system after 2047 or whenever they say the program is bankrupt. Medicare and Medicaid are entitlements that the Fed cannot afford!
Social Security should be ended in it's current format and privatized if for no other reason that the Government has a proven track record of failing at everything they've ever started.
I've got 100K of my own money PLUS my employers contributions in my SS Account as of 2010.....I want it back, one way or another.
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I don't think Tom and CJ are anywhere near close on this one.
Tom says that since the government took the money with the agreement that they would provide retirement coverage for the contributors and that it is now a debt owed to those who did contribute.
CJ is saying that even though that was the agreement, we should consider anything we get from SS as a gift from our benevolent government.
I happen to agree with Tom. After paying into SS since I was 18 until now at age 64 I don't want to hear that they've decided it's not a contractual obligation anymore but is now an entitlement that will be ended to help balance the budget.
As Tom has pointed out in previous threads, language is important. If they keep repeating that SS in an entitlement rather than a contractual obligation often enough and long enough folks will be swayed into swallowing that line of crap.
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A buy out. Just give people what they put in to the system, in a lump sum payment, and say adios.
They're both talking about the same thing.....give us what we put into the system and be done with it..
I agree with both of these guys. Social Security, in it's current form (bastardized, raped and otherwise fucked up) is OUR money as is all the taxes collected by the Treasury. I also agree that Social Security was initially a supplement to our pensions BUT, for the most part, pensions no longer exist in the private sector so SS becomes for most, the only retirement that they can depend upon in their later years.
I've resigned myself to have to work until I die but I will get what I've paid in to SS one way or the other. My wife gets 6K a year in disability and has for 16 years. She never paid in anywhere near what she has received which is where the system fails. I may never see the 300K that I will have put into the system but my wife will reap the benefit of an increased disability check upon my death. She will be far better off without me than if I survive well into my eighties!
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They're both talking about the same thing.....give us what we put into the system and be done with it..
Objection. That is a start. What I put in and what my employer matched as that was counted as a benefit for me and then calculate standard compound interest on that amount, which I would have earned had I placed it in the simplest of retirement plans. That is what I would have had on my own, and that is what they owe.
If that math is beyond the capabilities of the government, banks do that type of calculation all the time.
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Objection. That is a start. What I put in and what my employer matched as that was counted as a benefit for me and then calculate standard compound interest on that amount, which I would have earned had I placed it in the simplest of retirement plans. That is what I would have had on my own, and that is what they owe.
If that math is beyond the capabilities of the government, banks do that type of calculation all the time.
On that, we agree wholeheartedly my good friend. I could throw darts at a mutual fund list and do better than the government has done, EVER!
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On that, we agree wholeheartedly my good friend. I could throw darts at a mutual fund list and do better than the government has done, EVER!
Remember the Mustang Ranch Fiasco ?
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Remember the Mustang Ranch Fiasco ?
It takes some sort of special talent to lose money selling liquor and renting women. ::)
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I agree with cutting the "you owe me cause I have none" off at the head. I get so sick and tired of those who think they deserve a piece of the pie and have not put forth the effort. Everyone was given the same opportunity through a free education through high school. Anything above that, work your arse off to achieve it.
There were six years that I worked my butt off with overtime that the last two months of the year I did not have to pay anymore Social Security till the following year. If I remember correctly it was well over $36,000 I paid in each year. I know that I will never see a dime of that money after I retire cause it is all being given away to lazy people who do not want to work for it.
Frustrating as hell. >:(
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The sooner the better. I only have a few more years of work left in me. I'd hate for it to hit a decade from now. Plan A in a crash is to move back home to Louisiana and farm. I've kept the tractor up, the farm implements, the artesian wells and the land has had a couple of decades to recover from earlier farming.
Can I come too? ? ? ? ? ;D
Like Moses in the desert, the current entitlement mindset will not go away until the entitled ones all die off. they will never voluntarily give it up - ever! ;D
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Can I come too? ? ? ? ? ;D
Like Moses in the desert, the current entitlement mindset will not go away until the entitled ones all die off. they will never voluntarily give it up - ever! ;D
Can't fault society for lack of trying. AIDS, crack, meth, Sickle Cell... :-X oops!
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IT"S ALL OUR MONEY, EINSTEIN!!!!!!!
+1,000 !
This is the thinking that has been totally lost. The government has nothing on it's own because IT PRODUCES NOTHING. All it does is consume OUR MONEY and grow larger in the process. This requires yet even more money to sustain. This constant expansion will come to a grinding halt on it's own because there isn't enough money to sustain it. This is why all of this will be self correcting. Most of the money they allocated in the raising of the debt ceiling just a few days ago is already gone. This process will again repeat itself as it has over and over.
This is where the thought process of today's young liberals who banter, "We've raised the debt ceiling under every President", will come to a crashing halt, just like the housing debacle. It crashed because there was no actual wealth in the system to support it. It was all borrowed and spent paper. Our current government will do much the same. Call it a "forced savings". Just like the banks who thought the housing boom would never end, today's current crop of liberal politicians along with the idiots who put them there, think the well will never run dry. Both were, and are wrong. The question is not, "Where do we get more money?" But rather, "Which departments will we close?" All of the screaming and political bitching won't effect it, anymore than the people who bitched and moaned they couldn't sell their houses for half of what they owed on them. Both are flat out screwed. No money means no money. It's a universal language that everyone understands......except out government. They soon will. Bill T.