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Member Section => Down Range Cafe => Topic started by: Teresa Heilevang on August 06, 2011, 12:09:36 PM
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How the Recent Debt Ceiling Law Affects Gun Owners
Friday, 05 August 2011 11:26
Well, the hot debate which dominated the nation for several weeks has finally simmered down. The debt ceiling deal is now law, and both sides of the political aisle are arguing over who won and who lost.
But one thing you won’t hear about -- in fact, we may not fully know the answer for several months -- is how much gun owners lost in this recent deal.
To quote Kentucky Senator Rand Paul from earlier this week:
The Super Committee [created by the new law] limits the constitutional check of the filibuster by expediting passage of bills with a simple majority. The Super Committee is not precluded from any issue [including gun control], therefore the filibuster could be rendered moot.
Get that? The law raising the debt ceiling creates a Super Committee (in other words, a Super Congress) which will give its recommendations for balancing the budget. This Super Congress can include ANYTHING in its legislation, including gun control.
And none of it can be filibustered or amended!!
Well, you might think, the Super Congress’ recommendations still have to be voted on by each house of Congress. Surely, we can find enough congressmen to shoot down any anti-gun recommendations.
Maybe, maybe not ... because here’s the problem. Whatever this super-committee reports in November, including gun control, will HAVE to be passed -- or the Pentagon loses a total of $800 billion (effectively shutting it down).
read more here...........
http://gunowners.org/a08052011.htm
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Gun issues aside and just looking at the entire legislative process: Someone needs to take this Super Committee idea to the Courts. The combination of circumventing the full legislative process, and the purpose of speeding things up is fully against what the founding fathers intended when they framed this nation.
As dumb as it sounds, gridlock is a good thing! A government that governs least governs best (sound like something you've heard before) is guaranteed when gridlock happens. The only reason to streamline and speed up the process is to allow government to be more involved and more controlling.
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Gun issues aside and just looking at the entire legislative process: Someone needs to take this Super Committee idea to the Courts. The combination of circumventing the full legislative process, and the purpose of speeding things up is fully against what the founding fathers intended when they framed this nation.
As dumb as it sounds, gridlock is a good thing! A government that governs least governs best (sound like something you've heard before) is guaranteed when gridlock happens. The only reason to streamline and speed up the process is to allow government to be more involved and more controlling.
Exactly, As I was reading the thread that suggest "Walter" would make a good president, I had the thought that we should re-elect Nixon.
Being dead, he would get absolutely nothing done....a vast improvement over the current situation.
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Passing laws is easy.
Enforcing them ? Not so much, look at the BS drug laws, drunk driving laws, speed limit laws.
They're really making a difference.
It is in vain, sir, to extenuate the matter. Gentlemen may cry, Peace, Peace²but there is no peace. The war is actually begun! The next gale that sweeps from the north will bring to our ears the clash of resounding arms! Our brethren are already in the field! Why stand we here idle? What is it that gentlemen wish? What would they have? Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death!
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This "Super Committee" will be dealing strictly with dept/revenue issues. I think that will keep them busy enough. They have a long way to go and a short time to get there.
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This "Super Committee" will be dealing strictly with dept/revenue issues. I think that will keep them busy enough. They have a long way to go and a short time to get there.
I couldn't resist this ;D
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This "Super Committee" will be dealing strictly with dept/revenue issues. I think that will keep them busy enough. They have a long way to go and a short time to get there.
They will deal with anything the composition of the "super" committee wants to deal with, or what their handlers tell them to deal with.
This .gov, as others before it have, is dealing in a very extra-Constitutional manner, very illegal. Trouble, is, they control what is deemed legal or not as well, so we are well and truly f..ked! >:(
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They will deal with anything the composition of the "super" committee wants to deal with, or what their handlers tell them to deal with.
This .gov, as others before it have, is dealing in a very extra-Constitutional manner, very illegal. Trouble, is, they control what is deemed legal or not as well, so we are well and truly f..ked! >:(
And not in a good way.
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They will deal with anything the composition of the "super" committee wants to deal with, or what their handlers tell them to deal with.
This .gov, as others before it have, is dealing in a very extra-Constitutional manner, very illegal. Trouble, is, they control what is deemed legal or not as well, so we are well and truly f..ked! >:(
Only if the sheep allow it.
I keep marveling that the disarmed people of the middle East continue to face troops with tanks, while 100 million US gun owners just bend over and take it.
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Only if the sheep allow it.
I keep marveling that the disarmed people of the middle East continue to face troops with tanks, while 100 million US gun owners just bend over and take it.
Yep.
>:(
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This super committee is what they call a crack. If we don't repair and close the crack as soon as possible it will grow and widen until it is incorporated into the facade or actually becomes a permanent part of the structure. Look what agencies have grown into and the power they have.
The fact that our elected officials don't have the time to act on everything themselves with full knowledge of what they are doing is evidence that our federal government has grown too large, too complex and too intrusive. >:(