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Member Section => Handguns => Topic started by: alfsauve on August 11, 2011, 05:41:08 AM
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[CORRECTIONS MADE: SHORT STORY, I HAD THE TAURUS, NOW I HAVE THE RUGER]
After doing a lot of reading last year, I decided to buy the Taurus TCP in .380.
Several advantages. It came with two magazines and a nice belt pouch suitable for concealed carry. Because ammo has been rather pricey, I only put a few familiarization rounds through over the past year. Last week, after having acquired some reasonably priced uh....... not-as-expensive-as-before ammo I put 62 rounds through it. 50 rounds of white box Winchester truncated cone and 12 rounds of Master self-defense.
I was not pleased. 4 of the rounds had a failure to EXTRACT, leaving the empty brass sticking out of the chamber about a 1/4" and the next round jammed underneath it. You pretty much have to lock the slide back, remove the mag and pull the empty out by hand, or cycle the slide. If I wanted to take the time to mess with it, I'd guess a stiffer recoil spring would help slow the initial "snap" of the slide. Whatever, I don't have any confidence in it anymore.
I decided to dump the Taurus. My other two choices were the DiamondBack and the Ruger. At the range yesterday, I decided to go ahead and lift my boycott of Ruger. I had (I mean I just HAD) to use my $50 over cost discount before Saturday or I would loose it. Of course there's not much mark up on LCP anyway, but I did save $30. That and I might as well help with the million gun challenge Ruger has offered the NRA.
So I have the LCP now and will fire it on Friday. One plus is all the accessories that I had for the Taurus, fit the LCP better since that's who they were designed for to begin with. I hope it doesn't let me down.
Uh anyone want a used Taurus TCP? ;D
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I'll look at it, IF you can tell why you think you had the FTE issues. Maintenance, break in, ammo issues etc.? PM me.
FQ13 Who will not be making a high dollar offer. ;)
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Afl,
I'm confused on your usage of TCP and LCP in the last paragraphs of your post.
I just might not be understanding the references you are using, perhaps I'm being too literal, but, for example, you mention a used Taurus LCP. You might be using LCP as a generic name for the breed.
Also, you say that the accessories for the Taurus fit the TCP better since they were made for it...don't understand that one.
I see from the start you refer to the Taurus as a Taurus LCP in .380.
Take care
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Solus, excuse him, he's old and got them switched ;D
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Solus, excuse him, he's old and got them switched ;D
Whew....I was worried I was not following very well cause I'm old and confused most of the time.
HAHAHA..it was Alf!!!
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LCP, TCP, PCP. They're all the same. Well, maybe not that last one. :)
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LCP, TCP, PCP. They're all the same. Well, maybe not that last one. :)
Now I'm confused again..... ;D
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Now I'm confused again..... ;D
One is kind of fun, one will get you killed, and one ain't worth the money. Which is which? ;D
FQ13
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DETAILS DETAILS DETAILS
Getting old isn't for the faint-of-heart
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You'll be happy with the LCP I think. I've run a little over 300 rounds though mine (I know, not a ton), and have yet to see it fail to feed, fail to fire, or even hicup in the least. I'm a VERY happy customer, and confidently carry it almost everywhere I go.
We were camping last fall and I and my daughter were shooting targets with it. Mind you the gun is amazingly accurate! But, she was crazy nervous shooting it the first time and completely missed the target we'd hung from a 4" diameter tree limb. Yeah, she hit the tree limb dead in the middle. It made a SUPER loud crack, wood chips flew everywhere, and it fell straight to the ground!
We just looked at each other a minute, then I told her "I think it counts extra when you destroy the whole target. But lets not do that again!" ;)
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Kel-Tec copy,....
::)
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Kel-Tec copy,....
::)
TRUTH! Yet... An improved, better quality Kel-Tec copy imo.
I looked at LOTS of Kel-Tec's at the gun show I bought my LCP at. To me, the machining / casting on all the Kel-Tec's looked like it may have been done by a 4yr old blind girl high on cough syrup. :(
At 1/10th the price of the Ruger... They may be a good value. I haven't seen them at that price yet.
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OKAY THE OLD MAN HAS A RANGE REPORT on the..........uh.............LCP....The Ruger --- you know.
Put 50 rounds of Winchester white box, truncated nose ammo through it today. Loaded one in the chamber and 6 in the mag....no hiccups what so ever. Fired as fast as I could load the magazine. The magazine feels firmly secure (on the Taurus it felt like it could pop out at any time). Half the rounds fire with the left hand and half with the right. Finshed with 6 rounds of Master Arms hollowpoint sd ammo.
I feel a lot better about the Ruger than I did about the Taurus. Sorry Ruger for doubting you.
What would make it about perfect: A spare magazine, change the carrying case out to one like Taurus has - a CCW pouch, and a slide hold-open would be nice.
I've done with Taurus now. Tried'm didn't work.
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OKAY THE OLD MAN HAS A RANGE REPORT on the..........uh.............LCP....The Ruger --- you know.
Put 50 rounds of Winchester white box, truncated nose ammo through it today. Loaded one in the chamber and 6 in the mag....no hiccups what so ever. Fired as fast as I could load the magazine. The magazine feels firmly secure (on the Taurus it felt like it could pop out at any time). Half the rounds fire with the left hand and half with the right. Finshed with 6 rounds of Master Arms hollowpoint sd ammo.
I feel a lot better about the Ruger than I did about the Taurus. Sorry Ruger for doubting you.
What would make it about perfect: A spare magazine, change the carrying case out to one like Taurus has - a CCW pouch, and a slide hold-open would be nice.
I've done with Taurus now. Tried'm didn't work.
Big +1 on that! ;)
If I may suggest. On the bottom of the slide, right down the middle is a contact strip (sorry, don't know what else to call it), that pushes back the hammer after each shot. If you polish that "contact strip" out, the gun cycles MUUUUCH smoother! You'll notice the improvement big time! ;)
Which model did you get? There are a few cosmetically different ones out there now.
(http://i703.photobucket.com/albums/ww40/BigCheeseStick/P1020532.jpg?t=1313106497)
The "hard chrome" finish lives up to its name, NO JOKE! Took FOREVER to polish the outside of the chamber and the contact surface on the bottom of the slide. Shines like glass now though. :)
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Are you saying that yours only came with one mag ALF?
Is that how they ship them now?
Mine came with two mags when they first came out.
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Are you saying that yours only came with one mag ALF?
Is that how they ship them now?
Mine came with two mags when they first came out.
I think the second mag was to "make Nice" because of the recall. You got it even if the recall fix was done on your gun before you purchased it.
Mine went that way...both of them.
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That could explain it. Mine is in that era.
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I just bought mine last fall. It only came with one mag.. That's all that's on the BOM on the side of the box to. :-\
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What NO HAT???? ;)
Either way, the LCP is a "refined" Kel-Tec,...smoother, slicker, and has a slide stop....
The major points to both are reliability, and concealment. It is what "mouseguns", aka pocket pistols are:
If not used as a BUG, and is loaded with top shelf, tested for reliability, .380 ammo, an adequate, carry weapon.
4 rds. at 5yds, of Golden Sabre's, Hornady, etc,..will be an attitude adj. for BG's.
Zombies??? maybe not,....but it will hold them off long enough to get to bigger stuff.. ;)
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Why carry or even own an LCP when there are so many other guns that can do the job soooooooooooo much better?
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Why carry or even own an LCP when there are so many other guns that can do the job soooooooooooo much better?
Like the LCR in .357 mag....
Oh, wait....maybe I need the Bobcat instead! Grizzly might be moving east for the winter months to feed on liberals!
;D
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Why carry or even own an LCP when there are so many other guns that can do the job soooooooooooo much better?
We Celebrate Diversity....
(http://i1116.photobucket.com/albums/k568/josehunter/celebrate_diversity_guns.gif)
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One of these as a minimum.
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Why carry or even own an LCP when there are so many other guns that can do the job soooooooooooo much better?
name a few that you can carry in your pajama pocket when you go out to get the paper.
They might be better fight stoppers, but very few can be carried as easily as the LCP type. For sure if you have one, it will be the gun that is always with you.
Seriously, I carry my two whenever I am wearing something with pockets.
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Why carry or even own an LCP when there are so many other guns that can do the job soooooooooooo much better?
Shape/ profile.
No practical revolver can be as narrow as a Kel - Tec or LCP.
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name a few that you can carry in your pajama pocket when you go out to get the paper.
They might be better fight stoppers, but very few can be carried as easily as the LCP type. For sure if you have one, it will be the gun that is always with you.
Seriously, I carry my two whenever I am wearing something with pockets.
I'm not being serious here......................I must have drank from BM's koolaide.
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I'm not being serious here......................I put on BM's shoes.
You should have jumped in with the NAA then ;D
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You should have jumped in with the NAA then ;D
I don't have it on my permit anymore..........limited to 3. :(
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Why carry or even own an LCP when there are so many other guns that can do the job soooooooooooo much better?
Like?..... ???
We Celebrate Diversity....
(http://i1116.photobucket.com/albums/k568/josehunter/celebrate_diversity_guns.gif)
What?....No single-action revolvers?.....Bunch of bigots..... >:(
;D
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No single shot T/Cs either. Tsk Tsk.
Hey wonder why somebody doesn't make a double barrel T/C. Would be ideal for big game hunting.
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When all the geniuses start selling off everything they've got that isn't .357 to get one. ::) Let me know. I'll trade you a bridge, or some nice swamp land somewhere that'll be worth zillions one day! :)
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The LCP is ideal for what it was designed for - having a gun when carry is a little more difficult, or needs to be extra discreet.
When some dumb-asses decided to huff refrigerant off of my AC unit at midnight last week, I was glad I had my new LCP in my pajama pocket loaded up with Hornady Critical Defense (tested and flawless through 3 boxes - and 200 rounds of 4 different brands of ball). Anything bigger would have dropped my drawers. Dumbasses almost pooped when they saw the dude with a flashlight and a hand in his pocket. Around here a gun is what a hand in the pocket probably means. God bless Utah! Can't buy a LCP in California through normal channels, so it was my first purchase, when I shook off all of the dirty California.
The LCP tucked in a Galco Push-up holster hides really well behind my waistband.
When winter comes, I'll carry something bigger, but when it's hot, so is the LCP!
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The LCP is ideal for what it was designed for - having a gun when carry is a little more difficult, or needs to be extra discreet.
When some dumb-asses decided to huff refrigerant off of my AC unit at midnight last week, I was glad I had my new LCP in my pajama pocket loaded up with Hornady Critical Defense (tested and flawless through 3 boxes - and 200 rounds of 4 different brands of ball). Anything bigger would have dropped my drawers. Dumbasses almost pooped when they saw the dude with a flashlight and a hand in his pocket. Around here a gun is what a hand in the pocket probably means. God bless Utah! Can't buy a LCP in California through normal channels, so it was my first purchase, when I shook off all of the dirty California.
The LCP tucked in a Galco Push-up holster hides really well behind my waistband.
When winter comes, I'll carry something bigger, but when it's hot, so is the LCP!
Welcome back to Free America.
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First I have heard about the TCP. Glad I originally purchased the LCP. It came with two mags also. Bought two more mags. Thinking about buying a second one to carry while I am running the neighborhood? Light and easy to conceal. Tired of the pitbulls barking and trying to jump the fence to chomp me. One day they just might make the jump and I will be ill prepared.
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Welcome back to Free America.
Thanks! I was tired of being in the gun-loving minority, hoping for things to change. I hope those that remain can hold on to what little rights they have left.
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Just saw a new Laserlyte for the LCP on a show called "Guns and Gear" on the Versus Channel. Sorry Guys at Outdoor Channel!!! Really like that laser alot. Showed the episode to my wife this evening and she wants one. She is the one who mainly carries it so I am all for it.
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Just came across this.
http://gunwriter.wordpress.com/2011/08/23/the-problem-with-the-taurus-tcp/ (http://gunwriter.wordpress.com/2011/08/23/the-problem-with-the-taurus-tcp/)
Synopsis. When you fire the TCP and the gun cycles, if you short stroke the trigger (not let it all the way out), you can sort of "half fire" the gun, which results in it NOT firing and meaning you have to manual recycle the slide (losing a round).
I just tested it with mine and that is a major problem.
Just tested my Ruger LCP and it will not drop the hammer if you short stroke the trigger.
Combined with the Failures to Extract and the mag dropping out sometimes, I'm glad I've moved on.