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Member Section => Down Range Cafe => Topic started by: fightingquaker13 on August 18, 2011, 02:23:15 AM
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I bought another Bond. Path gives me hell about buyer's remorse. Let me tell you its nothing compared to seller's remorse. :-X I traded my Bond away over a year ago and have missed it ever since. I found a deal on one on Gunbroker when I was buying my mags and I won (sound of cheering and me doing the snoopy dance ;D). Its in .45/.410 which is not my preffered option as .45 colt ain't exactly cheap nor are there a ton of good SD rounds. However, the shotgun part ought to be a fun little range toy. God does occasionally love gunowners though, and this month Bond has a sale. They'll give me half off a new barrel with purchase of a gun, even used. Very cool of them. (For those who don't know, Bonds are modular like the TC Contenders. Buy the gun and you have about a dozen different calibers that you can add on later).
So here's the question. What caliber? I thought about 9mm as that's what I cary in my normal gun so it would be the same box of ammo. But 9mm out of such a short barrel seems a tad anemic if you can get bigger. This has me looking at .357 and .45 acp as choices. Thoughts among the three?
FQ13
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I'd got with the .45ACP. Large caliber, readily available and small form factor. With the shorter COAL, you get more rifled barrel for any given length of barrel.
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I have barrels in .45 Colt and .357 Mag,If were to get another I would go with 9m.m. with a +P+ loading, that would make up for the short barrel
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I have barrels in .45 Colt and .357 Mag,If were to get another I would go with 9m.m. with a +P+ loading, that would make up for the short barrel
Can civilians get +P+?
FQ13
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Yes, I have a couple boxes of them, Remington R9MM4 is the number listed on the box 115 Gr JHP+P+
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I'd go with the .357 since you have the 38 option, ammo is cheap and easily available and a rimmed cartridge will be easier to extract.
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^ +1.
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FQ, if you ever went to the WPB gun show, Georgia Arms, has top shelf, new brass .45 colt 225 gr Hornady JHP's, for about $25-30 for 50 rds.
if it can handle or is rated for +P or +P+ that's good, the recoil factor will be snappy, but so will the other calibers...
Short barrel, reduced bullet speed, at least have a larger caliber. .357 or .45, IMHO.
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I bought another Bond. Path gives me hell about buyer's remorse. Let me tell you its nothing compared to seller's remorse. :-X I traded my Bond away over a year ago and have missed it ever since. I found a deal on one on Gunbroker when I was buying my mags and I won (sound of cheering and me doing the snoopy dance ;D). Its in .45/.410 which is not my preffered option as .45 colt ain't exactly cheap nor are there a ton of good SD rounds. However, the shotgun part ought to be a fun little range toy. God does occasionally love gunowners though, and this month Bond has a sale. They'll give me half off a new barrel with purchase of a gun, even used. Very cool of them. (For those who don't know, Bonds are modular like the TC Contenders. Buy the gun and you have about a dozen different calibers that you can add on later).
So here's the question. What caliber? I thought about 9mm as that's what I cary in my normal gun so it would be the same box of ammo. But 9mm out of such a short barrel seems a tad anemic if you can get bigger. This has me looking at .357 and .45 acp as choices. Thoughts among the three?
FQ13
Seller's remorse - I know the feeling, had the same problem as I was literally handing the Marlin 336RC (1952 vintage, almost NIB) to its new owner a few years back.
And only you would gin up a controversy over a damn derringer! ;D Here, sonny, here's what you do. Keep it as is. You're not going to plink with it, so the .45Colt ammo cost is relative. Besides, you can get those awesome new Winchester (?) PDX rounds with the flying saucers and large pellets for the .410 side. Should be more than adequate for SD.
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Seller's remorse - I know the feeling, had the same problem as I was literally handing the Marlin 336RC (1952 vintage, almost NIB) to its new owner a few years back.
And only you would gin up a controversy over a damn derringer! ;D Here, sonny, here's what you do. Keep it as is. You're not going to plink with it, so the .45Colt ammo cost is relative. Besides, you can get those awesome new Winchester (?) PDX rounds with the flying saucers and large pellets for the .410 side. Should be more than adequate for SD.
Funny thing Path, I talked to the Bond guys before I posted. Let me state for the record that I have never met a more honest or Christian company in my life. These guys were for real. They said that accuracy suffered with the .45/.410. If I wanted accuracy from .45, buy the dedicated .45 barrels. As far as SD, two guys indicated .357 in 3.5". The range? 10 yards. Option B, use the .410 but choose Federal 000 buck and screw the the fancy stuff. Honest men, and nice guys. Its nice to find a company where the employees own and like the product and want you to like it too.
FQ13
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Can civilians get +P+?
FQ13
Scroll down to the bottom for Win 9mm +P+ 127gr.
http://www.tds-us.com/catalog.php/tds/dt44310/Ranger_Talon_LEO
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Do they make it in .44?
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Do they make it in .44?
.44 special, not mag unfortunately. That would be fun. ;D
FQ13
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.44 special, not mag unfortunately. That would be fun. ;D
FQ13
No wonder you you hang out here. You love abuse. ;D ;D ;D
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.44 special, not mag unfortunately. That would be fun. ;D
FQ13
No wonder you you hang out here. You love self abuse. ;D ;D ;D
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Well, ok, just as much as any other guy, but this isn't the site I go to when I want inspiration for that activity.
FQ13
PS FU! ;D
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Well, ok, just as much as any other guy, but this isn't the site I go to when I want inspiration for that activity.
FQ13
PS FU! ;D
Sorry to disappoint, but while I have done some really dumb sh!t over the years .44 mag from a 3 inch barrel, with that small a grip exceeds my "Hold my beer and watch this" standards.
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Sorry to disappoint, but while I have done some really dumb sh!t over the years .44 mag from a 3 inch barrel, with that small a grip exceeds my "Hold my beer and watch this" standards.
It actually is surprisingly mild in .357. Badger might disagree, but I doubt .44 mag would be much worse. ;) Two things work in your favor with a Bond. The first is that the design is such that with the lower barrel, the recoil is directed straght back into your arm. There is very little muzzle flip on the first shot even with hot SD loads. The second is that its built like a tank. Its a solid block of stainless steel so it has some weight to cushion recoil. I would buy a .44 mag barrel today if they made one. Take that Yogi! ;D
FQ13
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Actually, get the .44 Special.
Just handload the cases to .44 Mag. You will probably only need 2 cases, max.
The barrel will likely rupture, but it can only happen twice which might be better than shooting them forever in it. ;D ;D
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The barrel will likely rupture, but it can only happen twice . ;D ;D
What part of DERRINGER THAT I AM HOLDING are you missing here Solus? Sheesh, with friends like this.......
FQ13
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SD pipe bomb ;D
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Try the .45 Colt with self defense loads like Silvertips. If you want more power (and recoil) try some heavy loads by Cor-Bon or Buffalo Bore. They're more powerful than some .44 Mags. That should satisfy your needs.
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Try the .45 Colt with self defense loads like Silvertips. If you want more power (and recoil) try some heavy loads by Cor-Bon or Buffalo Bore. They're more powerful than some .44 Mags. That should satisfy your needs.
And if that doesn't work, wrap the grips with 24 grit sandpaper. ;D
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Try the .45 Colt with self defense loads like Silvertips. If you want more power (and recoil) try some heavy loads by Cor-Bon or Buffalo Bore. They're more powerful than some .44 Mags. That should satisfy your needs.
Corbon makes some doozies. They don't give them away (about $2 a pop), but damn if they aren't hot. 1200+ FPS and 800 or so foot pounds. :o Sadly, the Bond isn't rated plus P on .45. The 9mm or ,38 is no problem, but not the .45s.
FQ13
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The question is answered. I went with a .357 in 3 1/2". It should be more than adequate to the task. I'll get a box of Speer Gold Dot short barrels if I can find them (they are scarce on the ground down here), otherwise I'll fall back on Golden Sabres. That should be plenty from a BUG.
FQ13
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Hang on to that little thing...my SP101 was "darn snappy" with magnum loads at 25 ounces. More than a few cylinders and the hand was a bit tender!
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Hang on to that little thing...my SP101 was "darn snappy" with magnum loads at 25 ounces. More than a few cylinders and the hand was a bit tender!
Don't encourage him ;D
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I have Federal Hydrashoks loaded when I have the .357 barrels installed, I have either silvertips or Glasers for the .45 Colt barrels. The Federals aren't that bad I shot about 20 through it at one sitting and it didn't bother me any.
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All I need to do now is get Crusader to send me back some of that .357 I traded him. Damn that stuff has goten pricy these days. :P
FQ13
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I have the perfect response...one of each!
Richard
PS: END DISCUSSION!!!!!!!!!
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Don't encourage him ;D
Solus, it really doesn't have much recoil. Its heavy, and the guy who designed it took ergonomics into account. You really can put a dozen or so .357s down range without saying "thank you may I have another'. ;D Its not any worse than shooting a full sized .44 mag or running +Ps through a 9mm Glock. Try one, you will be hooked.
FQ13
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I'm finding myself attracted more and more to these things. Mostly because of the quality they exhibit. Yeah, you can come up with 101 reasons there are more practical guns to buy, but there is just something about it. Size, weight, looks, quality. I'm toying with the idea of one in 9 MM. Not a lot of recoil, and reasonable to shoot. But then I look at that "Snake Slayer" and start thinking about it. Bill T.
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I have to agree with Bill on this.
The Bond comes out 2nd best to a Kel Tec or LCP in , Weight, and capacity.
But they seem to be extremely well made, interchangeable calibers, and every one who has one speaks well of them.
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All they need is a spring loaded forearm holster that can be reliably activated by the same side hand. Pops into position and is ready to fire. The ultimate Anti-Car-Jacking setup.
Point your finger at the Bad Guy and, all of a sudden, you have a gun in your hand ready to shoot.
Wear one on each arm for great backup.